3 Bitcoin-related websites blocked in Russia, including bitcoin.org
So today bitcoin.org (208.64.123.130), bitcoin.it (162.159.245.241, 162.159.246.241) and btcsec.com (188.40.102.131 was blocked country-wide, because Neviansky's court of Sverdlovsk oblast rule 2-978/2014 on 30 September 2014. Text of this judgment is not known, it's not on their website yet (Russian laws force courts to publish their judgments on the Internet), so this is hard to say what for exactly this websites was blocked. The bill that allow to block Bitcoin-related websites is still a draft. http://tjournal.ru/paper/bitcoin-org-rkn (Russian) -- https://nesterov.pw GPG key: 0CE8 65F1 9043 2B11 25A5 74A7 1187 6869 67AA 56E4 https://keybase.io/komachi/key.asc
coinspot.io and indacoin.com was blocked too, so it's 5 websites. Quote from the judgment posted by RKN: "As article 27 of Federal law "On Central bank of Russian Federation" says, official monetary unit (currency) of Russian Federation is ruble. Introduction others monetary units and issuing money surrogates on the territory of Russia is prohibited. Under such conditions, cryptocurrencies, including "Bitcoin", are money surrogates, they contribute to the rise of underground economy, and can't be used by citizens and entitles on the territory of Russian Federation" https://vk.com/wall-76229642_16558 Anton Nesterov:
So today bitcoin.org (208.64.123.130), bitcoin.it (162.159.245.241, 162.159.246.241) and btcsec.com (188.40.102.131 was blocked country-wide, because Neviansky's court of Sverdlovsk oblast rule 2-978/2014 on 30 September 2014. Text of this judgment is not known, it's not on their website yet (Russian laws force courts to publish their judgments on the Internet), so this is hard to say what for exactly this websites was blocked. The bill that allow to block Bitcoin-related websites is still a draft.
http://tjournal.ru/paper/bitcoin-org-rkn (Russian)
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Full judgment is avalable, thanks to Russian Pirate Party http://www.slideshare.net/temychk/bitcoin-43468448 All in all, there is 7 websites, two others is bitcoinconf.ru and hashbitcoin.ru. That two addresses not blocked (yet?), but presented in the judgment. One of them shows just parked domain page, the other one is a website of Russian Bitcoin conference set to 2 April 2015 in Moscow. Judgment basically says it's illegal to use Bitcoin because the only one currency in Russia is ruble, and Bitcoin is a money surrogate, which is prohibited by Russian law, and the law allow courts to prohibit distribution of any information in Russia. For reason, it says that: "Free distribution of information about electronic currency causes active use of cryptocurrencies for drug, arms, and forgery dealing and other criminal activity. These facts, as well as ability to uncontrollable transboundary money transfer followed by cashing in, are hight-risk approaches for potential using cryptocurrencies in schemes for legalization (money laundering) incomes from criminal activity, and the financing of the terrorism." http://rublacklist.net/9833/ Anton Nesterov:
coinspot.io and indacoin.com was blocked too, so it's 5 websites.
Quote from the judgment posted by RKN:
"As article 27 of Federal law "On Central bank of Russian Federation" says, official monetary unit (currency) of Russian Federation is ruble. Introduction others monetary units and issuing money surrogates on the territory of Russia is prohibited.
Under such conditions, cryptocurrencies, including "Bitcoin", are money surrogates, they contribute to the rise of underground economy, and can't be used by citizens and entitles on the territory of Russian Federation"
https://vk.com/wall-76229642_16558
Anton Nesterov:
So today bitcoin.org (208.64.123.130), bitcoin.it (162.159.245.241, 162.159.246.241) and btcsec.com (188.40.102.131 was blocked country-wide, because Neviansky's court of Sverdlovsk oblast rule 2-978/2014 on 30 September 2014. Text of this judgment is not known, it's not on their website yet (Russian laws force courts to publish their judgments on the Internet), so this is hard to say what for exactly this websites was blocked. The bill that allow to block Bitcoin-related websites is still a draft.
http://tjournal.ru/paper/bitcoin-org-rkn (Russian)
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Anyone's use of encryption for any purpose is beyond the means of any state to control, this should have been obvious in 1992, but it seems various states "missed the memo" and are now waking up (though they'll always be asleep at the wheel) http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html I honestly think everyone will be better off as the people begin to reclaim more of their ability to work together using new and technological capabilities that are growing well beyond the capacity of governmental systems that were popularized around the world in systems that grew in popularity and "revolution-arity" approximately 226 years ago. In other words, governments will be needed less and less and we'll understand we need each other more and more. It may not be clear when governments will diminish (or disappear) and to what extent that will happen, but I don't think obedience to them is helpful at all. Even so, with trustless systems, I still consider that for many circumstances, "the relationship is the ultimate technology," though one system or another we create may fail, we work together mindful of the necessity to create new communities and systems that look forward. Anton Nesterov:
Full judgment is avalable, thanks to Russian Pirate Party http://www.slideshare.net/temychk/bitcoin-43468448 All in all, there is 7 websites, two others is bitcoinconf.ru and hashbitcoin.ru. That two addresses not blocked (yet?), but presented in the judgment. One of them shows just parked domain page, the other one is a website of Russian Bitcoin conference set to 2 April 2015 in Moscow.
Judgment basically says it's illegal to use Bitcoin because the only one currency in Russia is ruble, and Bitcoin is a money surrogate, which is prohibited by Russian law, and the law allow courts to prohibit distribution of any information in Russia.
For reason, it says that: "Free distribution of information about electronic currency causes active use of cryptocurrencies for drug, arms, and forgery dealing and other criminal activity. These facts, as well as ability to uncontrollable transboundary money transfer followed by cashing in, are hight-risk approaches for potential using cryptocurrencies in schemes for legalization (money laundering) incomes from criminal activity, and the financing of the terrorism."
Anton Nesterov:
coinspot.io and indacoin.com was blocked too, so it's 5 websites.
Quote from the judgment posted by RKN:
"As article 27 of Federal law "On Central bank of Russian Federation" says, official monetary unit (currency) of Russian Federation is ruble. Introduction others monetary units and issuing money surrogates on the territory of Russia is prohibited.
Under such conditions, cryptocurrencies, including "Bitcoin", are money surrogates, they contribute to the rise of underground economy, and can't be used by citizens and entitles on the territory of Russian Federation"
https://vk.com/wall-76229642_16558
Anton Nesterov:
So today bitcoin.org (208.64.123.130), bitcoin.it (162.159.245.241, 162.159.246.241) and btcsec.com (188.40.102.131 was blocked country-wide, because Neviansky's court of Sverdlovsk oblast rule 2-978/2014 on 30 September 2014. Text of this judgment is not known, it's not on their website yet (Russian laws force courts to publish their judgments on the Internet), so this is hard to say what for exactly this websites was blocked. The bill that allow to block Bitcoin-related websites is still a draft.
http://tjournal.ru/paper/bitcoin-org-rkn (Russian)
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Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 23:24:46 odinn pisze:
Anyone's use of encryption for any purpose is beyond the means of any state to control, this should have been obvious in 1992, but it seems various states "missed the memo" and are now waking up (though they'll always be asleep at the wheel)
Tel that to David Censormoron, or whatever his surname really is. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/12/iranuk_in_accord_as_pm_promises_to_b... Seriously, anybody from the UK here? How's the situation on the Isles, is there any chance to stop this madness? -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015, at 11:17 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 23:24:46 odinn pisze: Tel that to David Censormoron, or whatever his surname really is. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/12/iranuk_in_accord_as_pm_promises_to_b...
Seriously, anybody from the UK here? How's the situation on the Isles, is there any chance to stop this madness?
Don't try to stop it. In fact, we should all be rallying the people of the UK to champion this and put this in affect. Once the election results are over, the new government are sworn in, and the laws are passed, encryption is turned off throughout the UK. Awesome job. Pat on the back. Then watch how the banking sector no longer guarantee online transactions safe, the proles stop using credit cards online for ecommerce, and businesses stop using their company VPNs. Be careful what you wish for David. Alfie -- Alfie John alfiej@fastmail.fm
On 01/13/2015 05:47 PM, Alfie John wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015, at 11:17 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 23:24:46 odinn pisze: Tel that to David Censormoron, or whatever his surname really is. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/12/iranuk_in_accord_as_pm_promises_to_b...
Seriously, anybody from the UK here? How's the situation on the Isles, is there any chance to stop this madness?
Don't try to stop it. In fact, we should all be rallying the people of the UK to champion this and put this in affect. Once the election results are over, the new government are sworn in, and the laws are passed, encryption is turned off throughout the UK. Awesome job. Pat on the back. Then watch how the banking sector no longer guarantee online transactions safe, the proles stop using credit cards online for ecommerce, and businesses stop using their company VPNs.
Be careful what you wish for David.
Alfie
I'm sure that the UK would just require registration for using SSH, TLS, IPsec, OpenVPN, etc, etc. Consider Iran's approach in 2013.[0] | "Within the last few days illegal VPN ports in the country have | been blocked," Ramezanali Sobhani-Fard, the head of the Iranian | parliament's information and communications technology committee, | told Mehr news agency, according to Reuters. "Only legal and | registered VPNs can from now on be used." [0] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/11/iran_blocks_vpns_facebook_youtube_do...
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 19:22:04 Mirimir pisze:
On 01/13/2015 05:47 PM, Alfie John wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015, at 11:17 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 23:24:46 odinn pisze: Tel that to David Censormoron, or whatever his surname really is. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/12/iranuk_in_accord_as_pm_promises_t o_block_encrypted_comms_after_election/
Seriously, anybody from the UK here? How's the situation on the Isles, is there any chance to stop this madness?
Don't try to stop it. In fact, we should all be rallying the people of the UK to champion this and put this in affect. Once the election results are over, the new government are sworn in, and the laws are passed, encryption is turned off throughout the UK. Awesome job. Pat on the back. Then watch how the banking sector no longer guarantee online transactions safe, the proles stop using credit cards online for ecommerce, and businesses stop using their company VPNs.
Be careful what you wish for David.
Alfie
I'm sure that the UK would just require registration for using SSH, TLS, IPsec, OpenVPN, etc, etc. Consider Iran's approach in 2013.[0]
| "Within the last few days illegal VPN ports in the country have | been blocked," Ramezanali Sobhani-Fard, the head of the Iranian | parliament's information and communications technology committee, | told Mehr news agency, according to Reuters. "Only legal and | registered VPNs can from now on be used."
Exactly. I'm sure the banking sector and the government would find some amicable solution. For instance, banks could be exempt, as they already provide any and all info the government asks them to. Be careful what you wish for, Alfie. This, like many other laws, would be a classic example of "give me a man and I'll find a crime". Magically, *some* users of encryption would not be hindered/persecuted, and some would be to the full extent permissible by law -- and far beyond. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 01/14/2015 07:12 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 19:22:04 Mirimir pisze:
On 01/13/2015 05:47 PM, Alfie John wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015, at 11:17 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 23:24:46 odinn pisze: Tel that to David Censormoron, or whatever his surname really is. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/12/iranuk_in_accord_as_pm_promises_t o_block_encrypted_comms_after_election/
Seriously, anybody from the UK here? How's the situation on the Isles, is there any chance to stop this madness?
Don't try to stop it. In fact, we should all be rallying the people of the UK to champion this and put this in affect. Once the election results are over, the new government are sworn in, and the laws are passed, encryption is turned off throughout the UK. Awesome job. Pat on the back. Then watch how the banking sector no longer guarantee online transactions safe, the proles stop using credit cards online for ecommerce, and businesses stop using their company VPNs.
Be careful what you wish for David.
Alfie
I'm sure that the UK would just require registration for using SSH, TLS, IPsec, OpenVPN, etc, etc. Consider Iran's approach in 2013.[0]
| "Within the last few days illegal VPN ports in the country have | been blocked," Ramezanali Sobhani-Fard, the head of the Iranian | parliament's information and communications technology committee, | told Mehr news agency, according to Reuters. "Only legal and | registered VPNs can from now on be used."
Exactly. I'm sure the banking sector and the government would find some amicable solution. For instance, banks could be exempt, as they already provide any and all info the government asks them to.
Be careful what you wish for, Alfie. This, like many other laws, would be a classic example of "give me a man and I'll find a crime". Magically, *some* users of encryption would not be hindered/persecuted, and some would be to the full extent permissible by law -- and far beyond.
This is the way with all weapons that threaten state monopoly of force.
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:17:28 -0800, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Seriously, anybody from the UK here? How's the situation on the Isles, is there any chance to stop this madness?
It's the UK government's damn _job_ to lead the world in Orwellian surveillance. Why would you want to take that away from them? Have some empathy here people, please.
On 14 Jan 2015 00:31, "rysiek" <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Tel that to David Censormoron, or whatever his surname really is.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/12/iranuk_in_accord_as_pm_promises_to_b...
Seriously, anybody from the UK here? How's the situation on the Isles, is there any chance to stop this madness?
We're mostly still laughing at it. Mark
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Anton Nesterov <komachi@openmailbox.org> wrote:
prohibited by Russian law, and the law allow courts to prohibit distribution of any information in Russia.
This is sad. Forget about cryptocurrency law for minute. Where are the status of Russian populace voices in making these speech prohibition laws? Are they rebelling? wtf, serious biz.
First law Internet censorship law (2012) was met by some protest, Russian Wikipedia was closed for a day, Russian Google & Yandex placed censorship doodle, the law was criticized hardly by everyone in the industry, etc., but it was passed anyway. There was mass rallies followed election fraud in 2011-2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9313_Russian_protests , and it was probably the reason for all these crazy laws. 2011-2012 rallies didn't brought to any positive changes, but made it clear that there is many people who can go on the streets. Rallies still going on (latest was on 30 December, organized all of sudden in a day http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/30/alexei-navalny-sentenced-thousa... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/31/world/europe/aleksei-navalny-convicted.htm... , and there will be more). And of course there is special law that allows general prosecutor to immediately block websites with calls for unsanctioned rallies and extremist activities. grarpamp:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Anton Nesterov <komachi@openmailbox.org> wrote:
prohibited by Russian law, and the law allow courts to prohibit distribution of any information in Russia.
This is sad. Forget about cryptocurrency law for minute. Where are the status of Russian populace voices in making these speech prohibition laws? Are they rebelling? wtf, serious biz.
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On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Anton Nesterov <komachi@openmailbox.org> wrote:
There was mass rallies followed election fraud in 2011-2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9313_Russian_protests , and it
I remember this history now. thx.
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:12:25 +0000 Anton Nesterov <komachi@openmailbox.org> wrote:
So today bitcoin.org (208.64.123.130), bitcoin.it (162.159.245.241, 162.159.246.241) and btcsec.com (188.40.102.131 was blocked country-wide,
What about proxies? Are all blocked too? because Neviansky's court of Sverdlovsk oblast rule
2-978/2014 on 30 September 2014. Text of this judgment is not known, it's not on their website yet (Russian laws force courts to publish their judgments on the Internet), so this is hard to say what for exactly this websites was blocked. The bill that allow to block Bitcoin-related websites is still a draft.
http://tjournal.ru/paper/bitcoin-org-rkn (Russian)
No, proxies still not blocked, as well as websites of Tor/I2P/VPN providers/etc. There was some rumors about a bill to block proxies for years (FSB said that they want to write it, then MP Yaroslav Nilov, then FSB again, leaked emails of MP Robert Shlegel contained some discussion, etc.), but still no draft. Juan:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:12:25 +0000 Anton Nesterov <komachi@openmailbox.org> wrote:
So today bitcoin.org (208.64.123.130), bitcoin.it (162.159.245.241, 162.159.246.241) and btcsec.com (188.40.102.131 was blocked country-wide,
What about proxies? Are all blocked too?
because Neviansky's court of Sverdlovsk oblast rule
2-978/2014 on 30 September 2014. Text of this judgment is not known, it's not on their website yet (Russian laws force courts to publish their judgments on the Internet), so this is hard to say what for exactly this websites was blocked. The bill that allow to block Bitcoin-related websites is still a draft.
http://tjournal.ru/paper/bitcoin-org-rkn (Russian)
-- https://nesterov.pw GPG key: 0CE8 65F1 9043 2B11 25A5 74A7 1187 6869 67AA 56E4 https://keybase.io/komachi/key.asc
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