Govt economic advisor warns British defence planners that growth is ending... and it's not just the U.K.
"If we extrapolate this trend forward, labour productivity growth would reach zero by 2028." https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/govt-economic-advisor-warns-british-...
This article sure sounds foolish. As I see it, the main driver in the increase in "growth" (other than population) is productivity. Productivity tends to be driven by gradual adoptions of automation, which has been a major factor for 50+ years, and actually far larger. Automation isn't going away, and will only increase in effectiveness for decades Energy is a factor, but society is well on its way to the widespread adoption of solar and wind energy. Solar is useful in most locations, and wind will eventually be useable just about everywhere, 24 hours per day, with the use of low-resistance materials to conduct that energy, for example metallic carbon nanotubes. (MCNTs). Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 9:15:13 AM PDT, Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: "If we extrapolate this trend forward, labour productivity growth would reach zero by 2028." https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/govt-economic-advisor-warns-british-...
As automation displaces the great majority of workers, labor (not industrial) productivity will zoom past zero. As for energy, battery, and other temporary energy storage, will surely improve though increases in density could become a major saftey factor as they equal or exceed liquid fuel (perhaps even high explosives). Preventing such batteries and ultra-ultra-capacitors from sudden discharge is still a relatively unsolved issue. , Jul 6, 2018, 10:20 AM jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry I posted "up", but my stupid Yahoo email editor would not add a line (or lines) below your comments, at least not without "exploding" your cite to include the picture, etc. Couldn't figure out how to fix that, except by commenting "up". In the last week or so, I saw a news item about a new form of carbon, which seems to allow a doubling of energy density in Lithium ion batteries, yet being much safer. https://www.materialstoday.com/carbon/news/new-carbon-material-efficient-bat... Anybody who uses cell phones, or electric cars, should rejoice. Myself, I've been following for a few years "magnesium ion batteries", google 'magnesium ion battery', https://www.google.com/search?q=magnesium+ion+battery&oq=magnesium+ion+battery&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4980j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 first result: http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2017/11/28/holy-grail-batteries-solid-state-magnes... × Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 10:48:06 AM PDT, Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: As automation displaces the great majority of workers, labor (not industrial) productivity will zoom past zero. As for energy, battery, and other temporary energy storage, will surely improve though increases in density could become a major saftey factor as they equal or exceed liquid fuel (perhaps even high explosives). Preventing such batteries and ultra-ultra-capacitors from sudden discharge is still a relatively unsolved issue. , Jul 6, 2018, 10:20 AM jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: This article sure sounds foolish. As I see it, the main driver in the increase in "growth" (other than population) is productivity. Productivity tends to be driven by gradual adoptions of automation, which has been a major factor for 50+ years, and actually far larger. Automation isn't going away, and will only increase in effectiveness for decades Energy is a factor, but society is well on its way to the widespread adoption of solar and wind energy. Solar is useful in most locations, and wind will eventually be useable just about everywhere, 24 hours per day, with the use of low-resistance materials to conduct that energy, for example metallic carbon nanotubes. (MCNTs). Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 9:15:13 AM PDT, Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: "If we extrapolate this trend forward, labour productivity growth would reach zero by 2028." https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/govt-economic-advisor-warns-british-...
Yes, lots of battery R&D underway. https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/130380-future-batteries-coming-soon-charge-in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air.amphtml&ved=2ahUKEwioob-5iYvcAhXqsFQKHaDND0wQFjAJegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0E4cjh2iTFbST5HPPcC1sM&cf=1 On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 10:59 AM jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Page not found" was the only result I got. Tried twice. Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 11:17:13 AM PDT, Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, lots of battery R&D underway. https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/130380-future-batteries-coming-soon-charge-in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air.amphtml&ved=2ahUKEwioob-5iYvcAhXqsFQKHaDND0wQFjAJegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0E4cjh2iTFbST5HPPcC1sM&cf=1 On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 10:59 AM jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: Sorry I posted "up", but my stupid Yahoo email editor would not add a line (or lines) below your comments, at least not without "exploding" your cite to include the picture, etc. Couldn't figure out how to fix that, except by commenting "up". In the last week or so, I saw a news item about a new form of carbon, which seems to allow a doubling of energy density in Lithium ion batteries, yet being much safer. https://www.materialstoday.com/carbon/news/new-carbon-material-efficient-bat... Anybody who uses cell phones, or electric cars, should rejoice. Myself, I've been following for a few years "magnesium ion batteries", google 'magnesium ion battery', https://www.google.com/search?q=magnesium+ion+battery&oq=magnesium+ion+battery&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4980j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 first result: http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2017/11/28/holy-grail-batteries-solid-state-magnes... × Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 10:48:06 AM PDT, Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: As automation displaces the great majority of workers, labor (not industrial) productivity will zoom past zero. As for energy, battery, and other temporary energy storage, will surely improve though increases in density could become a major saftey factor as they equal or exceed liquid fuel (perhaps even high explosives). Preventing such batteries and ultra-ultra-capacitors from sudden discharge is still a relatively unsolved issue. , Jul 6, 2018, 10:20 AM jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: This article sure sounds foolish. As I see it, the main driver in the increase in "growth" (other than population) is productivity. Productivity tends to be driven by gradual adoptions of automation, which has been a major factor for 50+ years, and actually far larger. Automation isn't going away, and will only increase in effectiveness for decades Energy is a factor, but society is well on its way to the widespread adoption of solar and wind energy. Solar is useful in most locations, and wind will eventually be useable just about everywhere, 24 hours per day, with the use of low-resistance materials to conduct that energy, for example metallic carbon nanotubes. (MCNTs). Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 9:15:13 AM PDT, Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: "If we extrapolate this trend forward, labour productivity growth would reach zero by 2028." https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/govt-economic-advisor-warns-british-...
https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/130380-future-batteries-coming-soon... Concepts are not dangerous without someone actually doing the deed, I see.
On Friday, July 6, 2018, 11:27:52 AM PDT, bbrewer <bbrewer@littledystopia.net> wrote:
https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/130380-future-batteries-coming-soon...
Concepts are not dangerous without someone actually doing the deed, I see.
Tried it again, and it worked.
From the article:
"Urine powered batteries The Bill Gates Foundation is funding further research by Bristol Robotic Laboratory who discovered batteries that can be powered by urine. It’s efficient enough to charge a smartphone which the scientists have already shown off. But how does it work? Using a Microbial Fuel Cell, micro-organisms take the urine, break it down and output electricity. " "Sorry, but I have to recharge my phone's battery. 'Excuse me while I whip this out!!!'" (with apologies to 'Blazing Saddles'). Jim Bell
On Jul 6, 2018 at 11:51 PM, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: "Page not found" was the only result I got. Tried twice. Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 11:17:13 AM PDT, Steven Schear < schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, lots of battery R&D underway. https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/130380-future-batteries-coming-soon-charge-in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air.amphtml&ved=2ahUKEwioob-5iYvcAhXqsFQKHaDND0wQFjAJegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0E4cjh2iTFbST5HPPcC1sM&cf=1 On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 10:59 AM jim bell < jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: Sorry I posted "up", but my stupid Yahoo email editor would not add a line (or lines) below your comments, at least not without "exploding" your cite to include the picture, etc. Couldn't figure out how to fix that, except by commenting "up". In the last week or so, I saw a news item about a new form of carbon, which seems to allow a doubling of energy density in Lithium ion batteries, yet being much safer. https://www.materialstoday.com/carbon/news/new-carbon-material-efficient-bat... Anybody who uses cell phones, or electric cars, should rejoice. Myself, I've been following for a few years "magnesium ion batteries", google 'magnesium ion battery', https://www.google.com/search?q=magnesium+ion+battery&oq=magnesium+ion+battery&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4980j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 first result: http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2017/11/28/holy-grail-batteries-solid-state-magnes... × Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 10:48:06 AM PDT, Steven Schear < schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: As automation displaces the great majority of workers, labor (not industrial) productivity will zoom past zero. As for energy, battery, and other temporary energy storage, will surely improve though increases in density could become a major saftey factor as they equal or exceed liquid fuel (perhaps even high explosives). Preventing such batteries and ultra-ultra-capacitors from sudden discharge is still a relatively unsolved issue. , Jul 6, 2018, 10:20 AM jim bell < jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: This article sure sounds foolish. As I see it, the main driver in the increase in "growth" (other than population) is productivity. Productivity tends to be driven by gradual adoptions of automation, which has been a major factor for 50+ years, and actually far larger. Automation isn't going away, and will only increase in effectiveness for decades Energy is a factor, but society is well on its way to the widespread adoption of solar and wind energy. Solar is useful in most locations, and wind will eventually be useable just about everywhere, 24 hours per day, with the use of low-resistance materials to conduct that energy, for example metallic carbon nanotubes. (MCNTs). Jim Bell On Friday, July 6, 2018, 9:15:13 AM PDT, Steven Schear < schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: " If we extrapolate this trend forward, labour productivity growth would reach zero by 2028." https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/govt-economic-advisor-warns-british-...
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:47:56 -0700 Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
nice so when the 3 corporations that own the world ban all sorts of chemistry (they are well on their way to doing so), batteries could be used as ready made bombs. though I expect people to be fully microchiped and lobotomized as well, so maybe that plant won't work either.
On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 05:20:30PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
Personally I wish the "progressive left" could get over its deep fear of nuclear energy, and we could build some modern reactors. Maybe when (if) they ever get a fusion reactor that can substain a reaction... https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/iter-nuclear-fusion-reactor-halfway-... Of course, solar and wind power is great :) Anything to stop burning more fucking carbon.. - John
-- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7
I think the main hurdle to using biofuels is reducing the cost of enzymes used to break down cellulose. ("cellulases"). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulase Plenty of biomass is available, but it is necessary to break down cellulose. That's hard, because nature has evolved cellulose to be very resistant to breakdown: (Why else can 1000+ year old trees exist; their central cellulose lasted that long without breaking down.) This is first done by mechanical crushing, and then by breaking down some of the cellulose bonds employing inorganic acids, such as hydrochloric and sulfuric acid. At that point, enzymes (organic catalysts) can be used to further break down the cellulose into simple sugars, which are then converted (by yeasts) to ethanol and other simple fuels.× In other words, a lot of biochemistry. Jim Bell On Friday, July 13, 2018, 8:24:53 AM PDT, Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
A possible alternative is to transition to biofuels, which harvest all their carbon from the atmosphere, and can be net carbon neutral. On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 8:10 AM John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 05:20:30PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
Personally I wish the "progressive left" could get over its deep fear of nuclear energy, and we could build some modern reactors. Maybe when (if) they ever get a fusion reactor that can substain a reaction... https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/iter-nuclear-fusion-reactor-halfway-... Of course, solar and wind power is great :) Anything to stop burning more fucking carbon.. - John
-- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7
On Friday, July 13, 2018, 8:10:15 AM PDT, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 05:20:30PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
Yes. A couple of years ago, I looked up some statistics that said that since 1980, about 100 billion tons of coal has been burned for the generation of electricity in the world. Unfortunately, the eco-nuts of the 1970's, when they opposed nuclear power, thought absolutely nothing about the fact that about half of that CO2 release could have been avoided by the adoption of nuclear power. Myself, I'm far from a "global warming believer", But I think a program like this needs to be operational to determine if the greenhouse effect can be reduced using sulfur dioxide. (or other sulfur compounds.). Google search 'MIT sulfur dioxide global warming'. Two important results from that search: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/511016/a-cheap-and-easy-plan-to-stop-glob... https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603974/harvard-scientists-moving-ahead-on... Jim Bell The world’s first nuclear fusion plant is now halfway to ‘First Plasma’ Of course, solar and wind power is great :) Anything to stop burning more fucking carbon.. - John
-- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7 | | | | | | | | | | | The world’s first nuclear fusion plant is now halfway to ‘First Plasma’ The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) nuclear fusion program reached an important mileston... | | | ×
One of the primary problems with the nuclear power industry is that all it's initial commercial participants came from military contracting where a key purpose was breeding weapon stockpiles. Pressurized uranium heavy water reactors were the best for this. Safety for civilian use was much less a concern. When safer alternatives, like thorium-based molten salt technologies, were proposed the commercial companies, who were fully invested in solutions coming from their military experience, balked and used their influence to block funding for alternatives. On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 9:29 AM jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:10:11 -0400 John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
Of course, solar and wind power is great :) Anything to stop burning more fucking carbon..
burning carbon means combining it oxygen to get carbon dioxide. And carbon dioxide happens to be the feedstock from which plants grow. See those trees containing tons and tons of wood? All the wood was synthetized using CO2 from the air. In other words CO2 is great for plants and totally and completely 'green'. On the other hand, nuclear power is a military project and the toxic waste it generates a serious, unsolved problem as far as I know. last but not least, what do americans and other so called 'developled' countries need more energy for, exactly?
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