Re: [liberationtech] NYTimes and Guardian on NSA
----- Forwarded message from Shava Nerad
Hello Shava,
You wrote: "...the president essentially struck down posse comitatus in May, they won't know what you are talking about..." I don't know what you are talking about either, but I am curious. Could you send a link or two.
Thanks -- Matt Johnson
Part of the tone is also adopted in order to wake the sleeping baby anti-intellectual giants either side of the pond. The smart magazines can publish smart crypto articles, but mass market newspapers have to bring their audiences along, even the Times and Guardian.
Very few stories even bother to explain what the NSA does or what its function in government is, which actually rather stuns me, because I find that when I ask the general public that question I find that most of them don't know what the NSA does for the government. Most of them assume it works for the executive branch, but for the DOJ as part of the whole civilian/State/FBI sort of DHS bits, because those lines are so muddied. (And yes, I am conflating Justice and State on purpose there because it's been done in conversation with The (Wo)Man on the Street.).
People don't know basic civics. At all. If you tell them they should be upset because the military is conducting domestic surveillance, they look at you like "what?" "East Germany?" you say. "Stasi?" you say. Blank looks. No history. Those who do not learn from history, etc.
If you tell them that they should be upset because the president essentially struck down posse comitatus in May, they won't know what you are talking about, but if you say, "Basically, if a local SWAT team decides they need backup in some kind of emergency situation and they can't get hold of the governor to call for National Guard? They can call a local military airbase for an airstrike if they want to." Then the people will decide you are cold stoned mad and a total tin hat. "Sherman?" you say. And if
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Shava Nerad
wrote: they're from the south, they might go off in a rant, but they still won't relate it to current affairs or do anything. But that is literally what the law says in the US now. That's a bit beyond elementary civics, but it's a bit beyond what the press is reporting on here too. Because the press doesn't really have much literacy in elementary civics or history either. They seem to be drawing mostly on marcom majors these days.
This is what the "attention economy" has done to us. Our culture is a deep, nutrient rich ocean, full of wonders and cthonic monsters that can eat us. And we all surf. Nothing below the surf-ace is important anymore.
Yay.
SN
On Sep 5, 2013 3:31 PM, "Richard Brooks"
wrote: Latest articles:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-secur...
I find most of this (if not all) silly. They seem shocked that the NSA does cryptanalysis. It would be nice if the newspapers had people with some knowledge of the domain writing articles.
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