Hi Karl, forgot to mention, IIRC when you upload my document the timestamp of my original document stays the same and re-upload with a new timestamp is not possible. Please sign up with the service to try out, you have 5 free timestamps per month and don't have to use their payed plan. Regards Stefan -- claas.su ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 9:47 AM, k<gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote: Stefan, thanks for your inspirational transparency. Hopefully we can migrate somehow to protocols that show that documents are the first ones published of their kind, rather than just that they were published at the time they say they were. Is this something you can mention to originstamp? If I can destroy your document and republish one of my own, I can pretend to be you, because the public hash is rehashed by the document hash in the protocol.

On 2/19/22, Stefan Claas <stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote:

Hi Karl,

if you click on the certificate URL (Online Verrification) and upload the certificate to the URL, you will see that it is signed by an EU Trust Service Provider, for the eIDAS regulation within the EU. This signature is legally binding, and is equal to a handwritten signature on paper, for contracts, businesses etc. and can be verified globally, even if countries outside the EU have no eIDAS. Can be also verified with the free

I don't dispute this, aside from whether laws would influence anybody likely to be able to make use of forging something like that, which we've already made indirectly clear we have different values around.

Adobe DC Reader. Adittionally, as you have seen, I have then uploaded the certificate to the time stamping service, to include the hash of the certificate into blockchains.

This is what I'm worried about. Is this the same timestamping service that was earlier shared on this list? I reviewed it and found it does not actually store the hash on the blockchain. It instead stores a hash in the document, that can be used with a hash on the blockchain. This means if somebody infiltrates your government and does the same thing, the blockchain relies on you (a) retaining your document and (b) getting your document to anybody who checks the fake document, when they do the checking, to offer you any guarantees. If instead the actual hash of the document were on the blockchain, it would be easy to check what was original, without you needing to self-preserve and self-advocate.

Hi Karl, the certified document's hash is in three blockchains, Bitcoin, ETH and Aion, which you can easily verify. And I did not payed any cent for the transactions. Regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 4:14 PM, k<gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote: On 2/19/22, Stefan Claas wrote:

Hi Karl,

if you click on the certificate URL (Online Verrification) and upload the certificate to the URL, you will see that it is signed by an EU Trust Service Provider, for the eIDAS regulation within the EU. This signature is legally binding, and is equal to a handwritten signature on paper, for contracts, businesses etc. and can be verified globally, even if countries outside the EU have no eIDAS. Can be also verified with the free

I don't dispute this, aside from whether laws would influence anybody likely to be able to make use of forging something like that, which we've already made indirectly clear we have different values around.

Adobe DC Reader. Adittionally, as you have seen, I have then uploaded the certificate to the time stamping service, to include the hash of the certificate into blockchains.

This is what I'm worried about. Is this the same timestamping service that was earlier shared on this list? I reviewed it and found it does not actually store the hash on the blockchain. It instead stores a hash in the document, that can be used with a hash on the blockchain. This means if somebody infiltrates your government and does the same thing, the blockchain relies on you (a) retaining your document and (b) getting your document to anybody who checks the fake document, when they do the checking, to offer you any guarantees. If instead the actual hash of the document were on the blockchain, it would be easy to check what was original, without you needing to self-preserve and self-advocate.

The reason why I did it this way with a certificate: To have a *proof* of ownership and option that it is me who did that and the blockchain helps to undermine that, because at the timestamping service I am registered and log in there via Gmail. My pub key in the certified document is stored on a YubiKey for additional security and can be uses with rage, the Rust version of age, because age currently does not have this option. Two other things about my certificate. The identicon graphic represents a visual representation of my public key ASCII string and the QR-Code contains a Hashcash token, created from my pub key and De-Mail adress. Regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 4:19 PM, Stefan Claas<stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote: Hi Karl, the certified document's hash is in three blockchains, Bitcoin, ETH and Aion, which you can easily verify. And I did not payed any cent for the transactions. Regards Stefan

On 2/19/22, Stefan Claas <stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote:

The reason why I did it this way with a certificate:

To have a *proof* of ownership and option that it is me who did that and the blockchain helps to undermine that, because at the timestamping service I am registered and log in there via Gmail.

My pub key in the certified document is stored on a YubiKey for additional security and can be uses with rage, the Rust version of age, because age currently does not have this option.

Two other things about my certificate.

The identicon graphic represents a visual representation of my public key ASCII string and the QR-Code contains a Hashcash token, created from my pub key and De-Mail adress.

Regards Stefan

It is so wonderful you did these things. But what is the point of the putting timestamps on the blockchain in a way that can be forged on-chain manually?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:29:02 -0000 "Stefan Claas" <stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote:

I am registered and log in there via Gmail.

how long is the jewnazi joogle propaganda going to last?

Hi Punk, I do not know, I must admit. But, IMHO, you should think of re-phrasing your wording. If Nazis would still exist, you and this server would probably been neutralized as the Israelis say. And you should better use the term UK/US Imperialism, when speaking about Al Gore's commercial Internet vision. BTW. The CEO of Google is not a person with Jewish Religion AFAIK. Best regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 4:39 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0<punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:29:02 -0000 "Stefan Claas" wrote:

I am registered and log in there via Gmail.

how long is the jewnazi joogle propaganda going to last?

Hi Punk, nice try (and I somehow like you! :-)) I do no longer waste my time with you in *this* thread, sorry! Instead I enjoy (virtually) Russian and Chinese culture. :-) Have a nice weekend and keep up the "great" work you "produce" and "develope" for the Crypto Anarchy Community. By heart I am am a Chiffrepunk (Chiffre = German word for Cypher) I may later listen to the Sex Pistols song 'God save the Queen' Best regards Stefan -- claas.su ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 5:16 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0<punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:45:43 -0000 "Stefan Claas" wrote:

Hi Punk,

I do not know, I must admit. But, IMHO, you should think of re-phrasing your wording. If Nazis would still exist,

you are a jew nazi Stefan. A cookie cutter apologist of jew nazism, and a cookie cutter german nazi parroting jew propaganda. You'd have to be pretty stupid to try to pretend that you are any different from the 'original'(tm) nazis.

you and this server would probably been neutralized as the Israelis say.

LMAO

And you should better use the term UK/US Imperialism,

why is a jewnazi like you not mentioning your jewnazi employers? It's JEW-US-EUROPEAN imperialism Stefan. You were 'candid' and 'honest' enough to admit that you are a blatant supporter of crimes against humanity comited by your nazi jew employers in palestine, so don't forget to mention the most blatant act of imperialist invasion of the last 70 years. JEW-EUROPEAN imperialism.

when speaking about Al Gore's commercial Internet vision. BTW. The CEO of Google is not a person with Jewish Religion

fucking asshole. Tell me who owns joogle.

AFAIK.

Best regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 4:39 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:29:02 -0000 "Stefan Claas" wrote:

...

I am registered and log in there via Gmail.

how long is the jewnazi joogle propaganda going to last?

OK, Punk *last* reply, for this thread, from me, promised! *Do your fucking homework, i.e. politics, economy and geography!* Best regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 5:51 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0<punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 17:29:57 -0000 "Stefan Claas" wrote:

Instead I enjoy (virtually) Russian and Chinese culture. :-)

yeah enjoy chinese culture before the JEW-US-EUROPEAN nazis completely destroy it. They are halfway there already.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:40:15 -0000 "Stefan Claas" <stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote:

Thanks,

I wanted to present a way for people within the EU to have an option to phase out the old and non reliable and non trustworthy WoT,

and instead use the jew-US-nazi-german government. what a fucking piece of shit you are Stefan. Oh wait, you are just another government turd spamming this list. Shocking.

You're welcome, have you actually downloaded my certificate, not the blockchain proofs, and uploaded it to the link: https://ec.europa.eu/cefdigital/DSS/webapp-demo/validation and looked at the various tabs, once uploaded? If yes, would you agree that for an offical EU demo site, this gives you plenty of infos, one can study, compared to a simple 'Good Signature', from good old PGP or an S/MIME MUA implementation? Regards Stefan -- claas.su ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 7:20 PM, k<gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote: On 2/19/22, Stefan Claas wrote:

Thanks,

I wanted to present a way for people within the EU to have an option to phase out the old and non reliable and non trustworthy WoT, which can't, as you know, not been used for businesses, contracts etc.

It's great you guys are mainstreaming cryptography. I hope it is true. It was too helter-skelter when WoT was phasing away for me to understand any good reason for it to happen. Both our countries were targeted by a psyop business during that.

The blockchain stuff I did only mostly for Americans, because they like NFTs and stuff like that.

Most americans are govcorp sheep like my psychosis wants me to be, just like in other countries.

Please feel free to forge the certificate or blockchain proofs so that we can brainstorm about better ways to secure certain things digitally.

I visited the website but didn't see a quick-and-easy-to-find avenue for independent verification, such as a concise merkle tree spec. Anyway it comes down to trusting the private company attesting to you either way, since they propose using their website to check. Hopefully they offer something better than SSL to do that via.

BTW: Karl, long ago I also provided this eIDAS topic to various sources for discussing and cracking, when it came to faking things and neither people on the GnuPG ML, Bruce Schneier's blog, Usenet's sci.crypt and social media sites, showed me from experts in the field of Cryptography a crack of an eIDAS certified .pdf document digital signature, while I know from the past that vulnerabilities exited in other non-eIDAS signature schemes, for .pdfs So if the Open Source community would focus on specs and vulnerabilities I and I guess lot's of others would appreciate it. Someone somehow has to start things, which are already popular among Governments, businesses and should see if it fits for average people too, while not trusting snakeoil marketeers and their "solutions", if you understand what I mean. If I had not seen an advantage as option for cryptographic applications, used in combination with eIDAS, I had not dived into this eIDAS topic. Motto should be here 'take the best of both worlds' and privacy costs money even if Punk and others would hate me more for that. Regars Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 11:33 PM, Stefan Claas<stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote: Business folks etc. can use standalone local WIN/MAC software for verification and there is also a Linux GUI app available for verification, but I forgot the name and it gave an error due to no proper implementation. So it is up to the Open Source community to get involved into eIDAS, figuring out the specs and test a bit. Regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 11:28 PM, Stefan Claas wrote: You're welcome, have you actually downloaded my certificate, not the blockchain proofs, and uploaded it to the link: https://ec.europa.eu/cefdigital/DSS/webapp-demo/validation and looked at the various tabs, once uploaded? If yes, would you agree that for an offical EU demo site, this gives you plenty of infos, one can study, compared to a simple 'Good Signature', from good old PGP or an S/MIME MUA implementation? Regards Stefan -- claas.su ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sat, February 19, 2022 at 7:20 PM, k wrote: On 2/19/22, Stefan Claas wrote:

Thanks,

I wanted to present a way for people within the EU to have an option to phase out the old and non reliable and non trustworthy WoT, which can't, as you know, not been used for businesses, contracts etc.

It's great you guys are mainstreaming cryptography. I hope it is true. It was too helter-skelter when WoT was phasing away for me to understand any good reason for it to happen. Both our countries were targeted by a psyop business during that.

The blockchain stuff I did only mostly for Americans, because they like NFTs and stuff like that.

Most americans are govcorp sheep like my psychosis wants me to be, just like in other countries.

Please feel free to forge the certificate or blockchain proofs so that we can brainstorm about better ways to secure certain things digitally.

I visited the website but didn't see a quick-and-easy-to-find avenue for independent verification, such as a concise merkle tree spec. Anyway it comes down to trusting the private company attesting to you either way, since they propose using their website to check. Hopefully they offer something better than SSL to do that via.

Mmmhhh (why do I must reply to Punk (again)) ... Asumming you are using an anti-imperialistic Operating System, for home usage, e.g. Linux, you may check out, if your time allows, *Linux* apps and packages which allow the creation of Adobe's .pdf Dokument standard. Best regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sun, February 20, 2022 at 12:19 AM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0<punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:48:02 -0000 "Stefan Claas" wrote:

a eIDAS certified .pdf document digital signature,

did I mention Stefan that you are fucking piece of shit from the pentagon? Don't you have anything better to do with your time than advertise adobe's malware? Oh wait, you are a 'cypherpunk at heart' and explains why you are spamming malware advertising from adobe and your fucking european nazi government.

an anti-imperialistic Operating System, for home usage, e.g. Linux

No, Linux calls for nasty imperialist governments and their courts and apparatus to brutally enforce their socialist "GPL" "copyright" "license" under threat of death. Minimal Berne copyrights don't force anyone to do anything, that is the much better voluntary way of actual freedom... https://www.openbsd.org/policy.html https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/share/misc/license.template?rev=HEAD https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/COPYRIGHT

We could of course design our newsletter with emacs and use the best ASCII art editor, Made in Germany and created with Java, but then you would also complain about Java! Regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sun, February 20, 2022 at 10:55 AM, Stefan Claas<stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote: Oh well, dear Punk ... Let's take an example: You in country x are a Linux lover, you write articles and need them to be published, with your LibreOffice. Same goes for, let's say Professor Rat, with a Mac and his Infinity Publisher and last but not least same goes for me as a Windows user, with Microsoft Office. We three are working closey together for our monthly Newsletter, but unfortunately we have no universal document format, to exchange and edit our documents, nor for our offset printing house, run, by for example, Zeynep. We all three are rather stupid and are not capable to design rich web content, for our newsletter site, run by Karl, to show it on IPFS. Since you are a leader in innovation and highly skilled Punk, show us a way to make the workflow among us easier and trouble free, as an alternative to Adobe's universal and interchangable digital document standard. You are allowed to even distribute it as closed source and charge us a license fee. I will be your beta tester and would also purchase a license from your open source company. BTW. your are not forced to use the .pdf file format in LibreOffice etc. Regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sun, February 20, 2022 at 12:19 AM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:48:02 -0000 "Stefan Claas" wrote:

a eIDAS certified .pdf document digital signature,

did I mention Stefan that you are fucking piece of shit from the pentagon? Don't you have anything better to do with your time than advertise adobe's malware? Oh wait, you are a 'cypherpunk at heart' and explains why you are spamming malware advertising from adobe and your fucking european nazi government.

Punk, and you don't know how to share an unencrypted file via Gmail, which multi-billion dollar companies and modern AI technolgy can't detect when it is encrypted. :-) Have a nice day! Best regards Stefan ---------- Original Message ---------- On Sun, February 20, 2022 at 4:54 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0<punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 10:54:42 -0000 "Stefan Claas" wrote:

Since you are a leader in innovation and highly skilled Punk, show us a way to make the workflow among us easier and trouble free, as an alternative to Adobe's universal and interchangable digital document standard.

You are an adobe marketing nazi seriously spamming the list with adobe spam? Again you reached infinite self-parody Stefan! =) Yeah, the ultimate problem of humanity is that you don't know how to 'share' a fucking text file with 3 pictures.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 17:04:19 -0000 "Stefan Claas" <stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote:

And you probably don't know how to insert a cyrillic or mandarin passwort string when signing up with Gmail.

Herr Adoben, you seem to be forgetting that I'm a Chinese-Russian Agent. I might also be using Persian passwords.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 16:58:26 -0000 "Stefan Claas" <stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote:

Punk, and you don't know how to share an unencrypted file via Gmail, which multi-billion dollar companies and modern AI technolgy can't detect when it is encrypted. :-)

are you drunk? Anyway, you got a new name : Herr Doktor Stefan Adobelich Claas von Adoben. So you are the fucking clown whose job is to spam Adobe advertising on the 'cypherpunks' mailing list. How is that for infinite self-parody Herr Adoben?

share an unencrypted file via Gmail

yes Herr Adoben. Gmail is what any self-respecting Lord of the Cypherpunks uses for 'sharing'.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 10:54:42 -0000 "Stefan Claas" <stefan@ctemplar.com> wrote:

Since you are a leader in innovation and highly skilled Punk, show us a way to make the workflow among us easier and trouble free, as an alternative to Adobe's universal and interchangable digital document standard.

You are an adobe marketing nazi seriously spamming the list with adobe spam? Again you reached infinite self-parody Stefan! =) Yeah, the ultimate problem of humanity is that you don't know how to 'share' a fucking text file with 3 pictures.