Ah well you miss the point entirely.

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Or maybe you should just stick to coding.

lulz. Look, I am just trying to intimate that this isn't new, or especially fucking different, from any other day. I don't get my panties all in a bunch about normal shit. Yeah, there are front organizations, and powerful people playing all manner of shady games. No fucking shit. How is this different than any other day for the last 2000 years? It's like you're amazed that the sky is cloudy. No fucking shit kid, welcome to reality. Show me a solid plan for what we can do to turn the sky blue, and I'm all ears. Failing that, YES -- its far better to do something productive, whether thats coding, or just jerking off, than belly aching about the numerous games the powerful play. You fall into that racket, and you're just another type of establishment tool. A chicken running around with its head cut off, wailing about all the fucked up shit. Normies will just call you a conspiracy theorist crazy and tune out, and in the meantime, you'll be so busy jumping from one foot to the next keeping track of what moves who made, you won't have time to DO anything to jam up the system, or find a spot to stick a well placed monkey wrench. Don't worry so much about what moves the chess masters are making. Look for a way to pull the fire alarm and drench the whole fucking lot of them to get the games canceled. And I'm NOT saying one shouldn't be informed. I'm saying one shouldn't let it effect your emotional state. Get a fucking grip.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Razer wrote:

Your older or passed relatives have number tattoos on their bodies? Some of mine did.

Some of mine didn't, for those of you too young to have elders that weren't tracked for life and to have heard them say it. And none are born with them. That freedom is worth fighting for.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 08:54:09PM -0700, Razer wrote:

On 09/17/2016 08:46 PM, grarpamp wrote:

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On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Razer wrote:

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Your older or passed relatives have number tattoos on their bodies? Some of mine did.

Some of mine didn't, for those of you too young to have elders that weren't tracked for life and to have heard them say it. And none are born with them. That freedom is worth fighting for.

Amen.

++ "Papers please!" The driver license in Australia was updated just in the last few years, to have ones date of birth, on the back, enlarged to take up half the printing area on the rear of the card. We Aussies kicked back against the "Australia Card" a decade or two ago, and now they want to use the "state issued driver license" as a back door to the national identity card. This is not good. We ought have the right to go about our business, participating in the usual activities of society, and not have to produce "papers please" unless there is some genuine cause. Exercise of our rights, in relative safety and competence, ought never be preconditioned on random production of "papers please" under sufference of arrest, jail and or criminal or civil charges for merely failing to produce "papers please". And yes, this is just one particular fight, challenge, confront etc (pick your favourite term, by all means).

On 09/17/2016 10:36 PM, grarpamp wrote:

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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usual activities of society, and not have to produce "papers please"

s/produce/obtain/

If one has no obligation to obtain, one cannot produce. Most law forces one to obtain (permission) under threat of paper duress, to partake in various civilities and liberties. That's fucked.

The law of the land is you have to identify yourself. You don't have to produce papers unless you're operating a vehicle. Even then you don't have to produce, but you'll get a fixit ticket for not having it with you. OTOH, things can be 'different you're POC, homeless or poor... For instance a homeless friend of mine was given a camping ticket last winter. In the process the officer asked for his ID. He informed the cop it was buried away for the night but he knew his *Identification Number*. The cop told him that wasn't good enough, to give him his *social security number*. My friend explained that was a violation of US federal law... The number is SPECIFICALLY forbidden from being used as general identification and it said so right on the card ... and the cop wouldn't want him to commit a federal crime, now would he? The cop then said something truly chilling that went something like this:

"Well if you don't I guess I'll just have to take you in for a 'book-and-release. That means you won't see your sleeping bag and other property for a few days."

This is the middle of the winter in a town where it can go to freezing in the early morning. My friend complied, under duress, and he wrote that on the ticket too. A ticket that never got filed. Postlogue: I did a check for my friend and found that if you don't have identification information for a non-jailable offense (ie. infractions in California) the solution is simple. A thumb-print on the ticket to simply prove you were there. Every cop has a print kit in their car. My friend said he was going to sue for privacy violation but never did. It ain't easy being broke and houseless and trying to file a state level civil rights suit on your own. I suspect they wanted his social security number for a database of local homeless. Rr

On 09/18/2016 04:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 08:10:18AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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On 09/17/2016 10:36 PM, grarpamp wrote:

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On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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usual activities of society, and not have to produce "papers please"

s/produce/obtain/

If one has no obligation to obtain, one cannot produce. Most law forces one to obtain (permission) under threat of paper duress, to partake in various civilities and liberties. That's fucked.

The law of the land is you have to identify yourself.

Our Crimes Act says verbally stating name and address is adequate.

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You don't have to produce papers unless you're operating a vehicle. Even then you don't have to produce, but you'll get a fixit ticket for not having it with you.

Failure to produce papers/ cards etc which prove identity, is grounds enough to be "temporarily detained" whilst your corpus (body) is hauled off to their police station in the back of their police vehicle, so they can "endeavour to establish your identity".

Many cases, including my own, they don't drive you back to your vehicle.

HAHAHAH! Drive you BACK? No? Really? ROTF! No one, except perhaps a dignitary ''erroneously inhibited from proceeding'' gets 'a ride back'. Get picked up on a warrant, for even a misdemeanor, if the charging state wants to prosecute, or just wants to make a month of your life miserable, and you COULD find yourself at the other end of the country without 'a ride back' (sometimes after the charges are summarily dropped ... after a two week hold-and-cros-country-transit)

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OTOH, things can be 'different you're POC, homeless or poor... For instance a homeless friend of mine was given a camping ticket last winter. In the process the officer asked for his ID.

He informed the cop it was buried away for the night but he knew his *Identification Number*. The cop told him that wasn't good enough, to give him his *social security number*. My friend explained that was a violation of US federal law... The number is SPECIFICALLY forbidden from being used as general identification and it said so right on the card ... and the cop wouldn't want him to commit a federal crime, now would he?

The cop then said something truly chilling that went something like this:

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"Well if you don't I guess I'll just have to take you in for a 'book-and-release. That means you won't see your sleeping bag and other property for a few days."

That's what we get for allowing unaccountable, unfettered, and for most of us, unstoppable power in the hands of a small percentage of the population, in a sanctioned and badged group of employees of a corporation (at least here in Aus the Police became a corporation some years back), which due to the aforementioned, naturally attracts those with small dick syndrome (or small ovary syndrome), aka bullies.

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This is the middle of the winter in a town where it can go to freezing in the early morning.

My friend complied, under duress, and he wrote that on the ticket too. A ticket that never got filed.

Postlogue: I did a check for my friend and found that if you don't have identification information for a non-jailable offense (ie. infractions in California) the solution is simple. A thumb-print on the ticket to simply prove you were there. Every cop has a print kit in their car.

I'd only say "a solution" rather than "the solution".

Anything but a 'final solution'... See the last part of this enquote below

And "the solution" that we -should- have, is that verbally stating name and address -ought- be enough, if you've damaged no property nor human (and yourself doesn't count).

What you said about detaining if you don't produce papers above. That CAN happen. But, at least locally, and in my hitchhiking experience around the US and Canada a few decades ago it just hasn't happens to me or really? Anyone I know. Now kid with the cop and tell them your name is Jimi Hendrix or George Metesky-Abbie Hoffman or Rosanne Barr or Colin Kaeopernick, and yeah. You're gonna get faceplanted and they'll hold you in some stinkhole jail cell until the fingerprints come back via the turnip train. Actually... You MIGHT get away with George Metesky. Try it. Let me know how it works out...

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My friend said he was going to sue for privacy violation but never did. It ain't easy being broke and houseless and trying to file a state level civil rights suit on your own.

True.

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I suspect they wanted his social security number for a database of local homeless.

From: "xorcist@sigaint.org" To: Razer

I'm not aware of any "news aggregators" that aren't full of disinfo. It's the nature of the beast. If you're automatically picking up stories and spewing them back out, you're going to pick up a lot of shit along with it. This is one of the main reasons I don't really trust must of what I read, and nothing that I see on TV, when I bother to watch. I try to hit primary sources only, or at least, get closer to primary sources. There is no end to the nonsense out there. I thought it was bad 20 years ago. Frankly I couldn't have predicted how fucked this sort of thing was going to get. Myself, I'm MUCH happier with the way "the news" is today (with competition by the Internet, etc) than 20 years ago.  I remember well how "the news media" misled the public with the Randy Weaver case, Waco, etc.  "The news media" wouldn't touch discussions about complaints by various women about Bill Clinton, UNTIL one of them filed a lawsuit in about 1996.  The next day, as if on cue, suddenly all the media began to talk about that case, as if they had suddenly become aware of what was going on...when everyone knew that they must have been already quite aware.Sure, some of today's 'information' is 'the chaff', rather than 'the wheat', but I'd rather have the opportunity to sift through ALL of the news, rather than let the MSM (mainstream media)  decide what little to show to us.                 Jim Bell

Well, lets look at both questions here: First, the Cloudflare part is simple: they offer more than DDOS protection. They can seemingly keep your site visible even if your site itself is down, they offer analytics, and so on. And lets not forget that they probably have some savvy salesmen that can convince some lawyers to pay up and use the service. As for why a lawyer's office would run a site like that. DHS connection is certainly a possibility that I wouldn't dismiss. Another possibility is simply personal interest, or the pet project of a wife, daughter, or friend of the attorney's. Or it could be professional. Sure, they may mainly focus on personal injury law, but maybe they are on good terms with a client that came to them about helping with the website hosting stuff where they can trust some measure of attorney-client privilege if someone comes around asking about the site and so on. Instead of speculating, why not write them a letter and ask? Google up a few other similar aggregators, and name drop them. Write to someone mentioned on the site, explain that you're writing an article about up and coming political-oriented news sources, and would like to include them. Fucking social engineer some info, and cross-check it against facts you already know.

But the burning question is why would an apparently legitimate (Search news for "Levin Papantonio Thomas Mitchell Rafferty & Proctor"), personal injury law firm be operating a site that consolidates hot-button current activist issues in the first place, and WHY does it feel the need to protect itself at all with Cloudflare or any dDos circumvention tools? If you're regurgitating other people's news no one's going to be interested in wasting their time, fr any length of time, dDosing you.

Could it be one of the DHS's lesser-known corporate cyber-cop partners?

That's my best guess.

Rr

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Myself, I'm MUCH happier with the way "the news" is today (with competition by the Internet, etc) than 20 years ago. Â I remember well how "the news media" misled the public with the Randy Weaver case, Waco, etc. Â "The news media" wouldn't touch discussions about complaints by various women about Bill Clinton, UNTIL one of them filed a lawsuit in about 1996. Â The next day, as if on cue, suddenly all the media began to talk about that case, as if they had suddenly become aware of what was going on...when everyone knew that they must have been already quite aware.Sure, some of today's 'information' is 'the chaff', rather than 'the wheat', but I'd rather have the opportunity to sift through ALL of the news, rather than let the MSM (mainstream media) Â decide what little to show to us.

True. Good point.

You're right that competition from the internet has caused the news to tighten up some, in that certain things can't be ignored. But it also seems to me that the spin and misdirection that they use is also ramping up to bigger-than-ever levels. I guess the two probably go hand-in-hand.

Good catch, 2x. Anything called "activism" intersects with broadcast media (one to many) and network media (many to many) in the information warfare battle space of Political Warfare. Any actor one has not personally vetted should be presumed hostile, at best easily manipulated; those one does trust for real reasons will make mistakes. Opposition propaganda, astroturf, deception operations, elicitation, smear jobs, joe jobs, etc. ad Illuminatus Trilogy run rampant. Anyone who aspires to schange the world, without controlling access to multi-billion dollar assets, needs to fight and win the Internet. There are no instant easy answers; just learning to ask the right questions is a major undertaking. Razer has a very solid background on WTF the people whose boots are on the real, physical ground are up against. When radicals fail to integrate physical and network comms strategies successfully, radicals fail is all. The opposition is in the same position. As Bugs Bunny would say, "This calls for strategy." An occasional reminder that we are not /just/ playing games with computers and shit is well in order. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJX3h9EAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqVBcH/3loG5dsu6Jv6ANJic+Gr2yU TBhPo9aGtVUQRb1TgbrzEJ8kxE+V3qeOgLG0ZuaLICLOmVQg4wJeVWf6a3v6mgTv NsfntHgMPMN95+SR2E4kxcPYnOLVf11wOR44ldI1cZ0HhS3R5za4QWr8mSBFf6dF hOt0du1BwUK1ZsYg0l3DSPt1aHHoeWh6EX0pNPPoCXsmBbdMi++y+MJGCwu6m8ST JZ136Ohvx+FHh0xakjfy47b2vNrnIzuNzHsDdqJS2NupSd3TTAlDsqtckaPzcAfw wBDx/ePRuTiB/qNwWO6z+0DZXHbnG6vx3zOc5Pi5K21jnpjL9BnuaSpUh3ELZ/o= =9dP6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----