it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue? Is there any betting on it? =)
On 09/07/2018 03:57 PM, juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
I bet $10 that someone will assassinate Trump, during his first term, and implicate snowflakes.
On 09/07/2018 11:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/07/2018 03:57 PM, juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
I bet $10 that someone will assassinate Trump, during his first term, and implicate snowflakes.
If Trump is assassinated or removed via a coupe (by political means via an impeachment with no foundation), there would be civil war in the US.
On 09/08/2018 03:52 PM, CANNON wrote:
On 09/07/2018 11:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/07/2018 03:57 PM, juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
I bet $10 that someone will assassinate Trump, during his first term, and implicate snowflakes.
If Trump is assassinated or removed via a coupe (by political means via an impeachment with no foundation), there would be civil war in the US.
Very likely. And that would be the point of doing it :)
If Trump is assassinated or removed via a coupe (by political means via an impeachment with no foundation), there would be civil war in the US.
Very likely. And that would be the point of doing it :)
Sure, lols. But civil war isn't too fun or productive, lots of your friends and fam die, basically fighting each other on an even field, all your shit gets ganked, etc. All while government sits back with the remote control eating popcorn and wins in the end, no change. Revolution is more interesting... all of you vs govt... and if you win, you stand a slim but possible chance of learning and not setting up another one.
On Fri, Sep 07, 2018 at 04:56:35PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/07/2018 03:57 PM, juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
I bet $10 that someone will assassinate Trump, during his first term, and implicate snowflakes.
Need a -real- false flag to motivate the kick back. Looks like we mighta just got it: Anglin: “It was always 100% obvious to me that Gab was filled with feds” And we know Gab is young and was marketed, just like Facebookerberg and Twatter as "free speech champion"s. Anglin: “It is the absolute most obvious thing in the world that because the bombing didn’t work, they pulled the mass shooting card. I don’t know how this is going to affect the elections. But I do know how it is going to affect something that is 1000 times more important: free speech on the internet. It is going to be bad.” https://dailystormer.name/happening-pittsburgh-synagogue-shot-up-eight-dead/
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:01:04AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Fri, Sep 07, 2018 at 04:56:35PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/07/2018 03:57 PM, juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
I bet $10 that someone will assassinate Trump, during his first term, and implicate snowflakes.
Need a -real- false flag to motivate the kick back. Looks like we mighta just got it:
Anglin: “It was always 100% obvious to me that Gab was filled with feds”
And we know Gab is young and was marketed, just like Facebookerberg and Twatter as "free speech champion"s.
Anglin: “It is the absolute most obvious thing in the world that because the bombing didn’t work, they pulled the mass shooting card.
I don’t know how this is going to affect the elections. But I do know how it is going to affect something that is 1000 times more important: free speech on the internet. It is going to be bad.”
https://dailystormer.name/happening-pittsburgh-synagogue-shot-up-eight-dead/
HA! False flag facts appear in less than 24 hours since Anglin started questioning - VERY impressive! Dis false flag be some imPRESSIVE Jewin' y'all‼ : Was the Synagogue Shooting Yet Another Jew Trick? https://dailystormer.name/was-the-synagogue-shooting-yet-another-jew-trick/ … In January, the FBI was involved in an active shooter drill at a Pittsburgh Jewish community center. Nine months later, it was attacked for real. Only TWO cities in the entire USA had a shooter drill involving both the FBI and a Jewish center. Crazy coincidence. pic.twitter.com/bmMWlnFHeh — Roosh (@rooshv) October 28, 2018 … Average victim age: 74 … the active shooter drill happened just down the road from the actual shooting. And the 1488er Synagogue Shooter’s account was created in January. The FBI held their active shooter drill only 0.6 miles from where yesterday's shooting took place. pic.twitter.com/M0Xm41oueH A recent red-pill convert? Or a Fed? You decide. And all of these drills happening all the time near the sites of actual mass shootings. Why does this cohencidence keep occurring? Do the Feds know ahead of time the area where these attacks are going to occur? If so, how/why? Methinks this humble e-book salesman is steering deep into dangerous waters. Waters that the humble water filter merchant is now also steering into. https://www.infowars.com/breaking-alex-jones-goes-live-to-respond-to-terrori... AJ should fire that British homosexual weirdo he has working for him. https://dailystormer.name/infowars-does-not-call-false-flag-on-synagogue-sho... Why is this community somehow involved in literally every other shooting? All while being only 2% of the population? It is actually Jews suing AJ right now for saying they faked Sandy Hook. I don’t mean the lawyers, although they’re obviously also Jewish, I mean the fat Jew saying his retarded son was killed. https://www.timesofisrael.com/parents-of-jewish-sandy-hook-victim-forced-to-... And perhaps we should start questioning the efficacy of these drills. They’re always being done right before mass shootings and they never seem to be able to prevent said mass shooting. …
On Fri, Sep 07, 2018 at 07:57:19PM -0300, Juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
The JewSA would -never- do another Syrian "chemical attack" false flag... surely not?
On 09/07/2018 06:57 PM, juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
No point in betting on the United States staging another gas attack in Syria and blaming the Syrian government. On the one hand, nobody who knows this has already happened several times will bet against it. On the other hand, nobody who denies that this ever happened will pay off when it does, because they will "know" it didn't.
What really pisses me off about these false flag attacks is that the government being blamed is the government that defends Christians, and the terrorists being presented as victims are head choppers that ethnically cleanse everyone that does not subscribe to their version of Islam, and murder everyone belonging to certain religions and ethnicities. 911 happened in large part because Robert Mueller told the FBI they were arresting too many Muslims, with the unsurprising result that they arrested fewer Muslims, much like the people who politely and respectfully listened when Major Hasan gave them a power point presentation on why he was going to murder them and their colleagues.
On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:16:54 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
What really pisses me off about these false flag attacks is that the government being blamed is the government that defends Christians,
right, that is the government responsible for the fasle flag attacks. Your americunt government. In other words James you aer public anti libertarian enemy number 1.
911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
On 09/09/2018 02:32 PM, juan wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:16:54 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
What really pisses me off about these false flag attacks is that the government being blamed is the government that defends Christians,
right, that is the government responsible for the fasle flag attacks. Your americunt government. In other words James you aer public anti libertarian enemy number 1.
911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
On 09/09/2018 09:22 PM, Mirimir wrote:
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
Permission to speak freely? Fuck that. As even Dim (the dimmest of us all) would say, "I don't need no permission from the likes of you." The architects of the 911 Event did a great job, and I doubt we will ever be able to prove a God damned thing about who done it. Big clue: If you ever beat Donald Rumsfeld at a game he cares about, you can consider yourself Something Special. He's that good. Israel's greasy fingerprints are present in the form of a fairly massive espionage operation that was quietly rolled up and kicked out of the U.S. earlier that same year. Press reports were scarce but indicated that EOD and radio operator were the predominant MOS of the guise in question - skills applicable to the Event in question. Then there were the famous "Dancing Israelis" who had cleaned out their offices at WTC days before the Event; they ran a moving company, and their rented box trucks tested positive for explosive residues per initial FBI report. After they were shipped back home, one of them mentioned on an Israeli talk show that they were Mossad, probably the only significant "leak" in the whole operation. Around 3000 casualties at a center of international banking and not one Israeli citizen lost? What are the odds?! Everyone Knows that most of the nominal hijackers were Saudi nationals. But in real life, most of them remain John Does: Because the real people whose identities were stolen by the hijackers turned up alive, well, and thoroughly pissed off after they were named as dead hijackers. A minor flaw in the plan... presenting no indicators of who actually did the thing, other than that Saudi intel and their American friends were well positioned to do the identity theft thing against Saudi nationals. Lest we forget, the propaganda aspects of the plan hinged on blaming Osama Bin Ladin (RIP, kidney failure, winter 2001-2 in a nameless cave in eastern Afghanistan*), famously a Saudi national. So Saudis they were - according to the Official Narrative. That Hellfire missile a Predator drone fired before crashing into the Pentagon scored a direct hit on an auditor's office. (I bet a nickel somebody put a corner reflector in the window just to make God damned deadly certain the right one got hit.) That comes closes to "proof" that senior military officials were ass deep in the plot: Who else would have the will and clout to risk exposing the whole operation as a hoax (no airliner debris at the site, imaginary plane's engines didn't even break windows, people with relevant experience reported hearing a missile and smelling cordite) to cover their own asses? The folks working in that office were trying to track down some billions of missing public dollars, and the investigation died with their documents and data. * I suspect Bin Ladin's grave was finally found and positively identified by friendlies in early 2011, giving the Obama Administration a green light to stage the "killing Osama" hoax without risk of subsequent exposure. Soon after a somewhat less-famous helicopter accident cleaned up after, killing the folks who were in a position to say what really happened in Abbottabad that day, and be believed. I <3 history. It's everything that ever happened! And thanks to the Future Shock phenomenon x teh interwebz, I have watched SO much of it happen... :o/
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:50:40PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/09/2018 09:22 PM, Mirimir wrote:
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
Permission to speak freely?
Fuck that. As even Dim (the dimmest of us all) would say, "I don't need no permission from the likes of you."
The architects of the 911 Event did a great job, and I doubt we will ever be able to prove a God damned thing about who done it. Big clue: If you ever beat Donald Rumsfeld at a game he cares about, you can consider yourself Something Special. He's that good.
Israel's greasy fingerprints are present in the form of a fairly massive espionage operation that was quietly rolled up and kicked out of the U.S. earlier that same year. Press reports were scarce but indicated that EOD and radio operator were the predominant MOS of the guise in question - skills applicable to the Event in question. Then there were the famous "Dancing Israelis" who had cleaned out their offices at WTC days before the Event; they ran a moving company, and their rented box trucks tested positive for explosive residues per initial FBI report. After they were shipped back home, one of them mentioned on an Israeli talk show that they were Mossad, probably the only significant "leak" in the whole operation. Around 3000 casualties at a center of international banking and not one Israeli citizen lost? What are the odds?!
DAMN DUDE! You ought to know we're not never ever not supposed to talk about (((them)))! Sheesh! Next thing you'll be publicly claiming that Jews run the international banking gollygopoly and have funded both sides of every war. -_/∞\_-`
Everyone Knows that most of the nominal hijackers were Saudi nationals. But in real life, most of them remain John Does: Because the real people whose identities were stolen by the hijackers turned up alive, well, and thoroughly pissed off after they were named as dead hijackers. A minor flaw in the plan... presenting no indicators of who actually did the thing, other than that Saudi intel and their American friends were well positioned to do the identity theft thing against Saudi nationals. Lest we forget, the propaganda aspects of the plan hinged on blaming Osama Bin Ladin (RIP, kidney failure, winter 2001-2 in a nameless cave in eastern Afghanistan*), famously a Saudi national. So Saudis they were - according to the Official Narrative.
That Hellfire missile a Predator drone fired before crashing into the Pentagon scored a direct hit on an auditor's office. (I bet a nickel somebody put a corner reflector in the window just to make God damned deadly certain the right one got hit.) That comes closes to "proof" that senior military officials were ass deep in the plot: Who else
Surely you're not suggesting the $20T US MIC black budget money black hole has something to do with 9/11 now?
would have the will and clout to risk exposing the whole operation as a hoax (no airliner debris at the site, imaginary plane's engines didn't even break windows, people with relevant experience reported hearing a missile and smelling cordite) to cover their own asses? The folks working in that office were trying to track down some billions of missing public dollars, and the investigation died with their documents and data.
Surely not? Next thing you'll be sayin' the official story has never even TRIED to explain the WTC7 collapse and that the entire 9/11 con was secondarily but also a grande "Jewish stocktake" insurance job.
* I suspect Bin Ladin's grave was finally found and positively identified by friendlies in early 2011, giving the Obama Administration a green light to stage the "killing Osama" hoax without risk of subsequent exposure. Soon after a somewhat less-famous helicopter accident cleaned up after, killing the folks who were in a position to say what really happened in Abbottabad that day, and be believed.
I <3 history. It's everything that ever happened! And thanks to the Future Shock phenomenon x teh interwebz, I have watched SO much of it happen...
:o/
Bah! What's a few thousand lives here or there between "international bankers" - or millions for that matter? Go mine some BTC and hodl already‼ Humans and their empathetic concience - such folly…
On 09/09/2018 09:40 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:50:40PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/09/2018 09:22 PM, Mirimir wrote:
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
Permission to speak freely?
Fuck that. As even Dim (the dimmest of us all) would say, "I don't need no permission from the likes of you."
The architects of the 911 Event did a great job, and I doubt we will ever be able to prove a God damned thing about who done it. Big clue: If you ever beat Donald Rumsfeld at a game he cares about, you can consider yourself Something Special. He's that good.
Israel's greasy fingerprints are present ...
<SNIP>
DAMN DUDE! You ought to know we're not never ever not supposed to talk about (((them)))!
Sheesh! Next thing you'll be publicly claiming that Jews run the international banking gollygopoly and have funded both sides of every war. -_/∞\_-`
I hate the fucking Zionists, and how they've fucked over the Palestinians. Over and over again, for thousands of years. I also suspect their complicity in the Holocaust. But I don't hate Jews generally. <SNIP>
On 10/09/2018 13:06, Mirimir wrote:
I hate the fucking Zionists, and how they've fucked over the Palestinians.
Palestinians will murder you. Worst the Jews will do is get overly clever at interpreting contracts Muslims will drive a truck into a Christmas crowd. Worst the Jews will do is sue you for displaying a Christmas tree on public lands.
On 09/10/2018 02:01 AM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 10/09/2018 13:06, Mirimir wrote:
I hate the fucking Zionists, and how they've fucked over the Palestinians.
Palestinians will murder you. Worst the Jews will do is get overly clever at interpreting contracts
Muslims will drive a truck into a Christmas crowd. Worst the Jews will do is sue you for displaying a Christmas tree on public lands.
Seriously? Maybe ask the Palestinians about that. Israel has missiles and planes and bombs (including nukes) from the fucking US. So they don't need to do trivial shit like driving trucks into crowds. Although sometimes they get damn personal with those armored bulldozers.
On 10/09/2018 13:06, Mirimir wrote:
I hate the fucking Zionists, and how they've fucked over the Palestinians.
On 09/10/2018 02:01 AM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
Palestinians will murder you. Worst the Jews will do is get overly clever at interpreting contracts
Muslims will drive a truck into a Christmas crowd. Worst the Jews will do is sue you for displaying a Christmas tree on public lands.
On 10/09/2018 17:19, Mirimir wrote:
Seriously? Maybe ask the Palestinians about that. Israel has missiles and planes and bombs
And Israel allows the Palestinians to go on murdering Jews from time to time even though they could permanently solve their Palestinian problem overnight. If the relative strength was reversed, the Palestinians would have permanently solved their Jewish problem overnight.
On 09/09/2018 07:50 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/09/2018 09:22 PM, Mirimir wrote:
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
Permission to speak freely?
Fuck that. As even Dim (the dimmest of us all) would say, "I don't need no permission from the likes of you."
:)
The architects of the 911 Event did a great job, and I doubt we will ever be able to prove a God damned thing about who done it. Big clue: If you ever beat Donald Rumsfeld at a game he cares about, you can consider yourself Something Special. He's that good.
Israel's greasy fingerprints are present ...
Yes, I remember reading about all that, at the time. <SNIP>
Everyone Knows that most of the nominal hijackers were Saudi nationals. But in real life, most of them remain John Does: Because the real people whose identities were stolen by the hijackers turned up alive, well, and thoroughly pissed off after they were named as dead hijackers. A minor flaw in the plan... presenting no indicators of who actually did the thing, other than that Saudi intel and their American friends were well positioned to do the identity theft thing against Saudi nationals.
<SNIP> I didn't follow that closely. And anyway, it'd be impossible to verify for plebs like me. But does it matter, if Saudi intel was involved? And maybe top Saudis are actually Jewish. I mean, it's just a technical difference. Not that they believe that religious shit, in any case.
That Hellfire missile a Predator drone fired before crashing into the Pentagon scored a direct hit on an auditor's office. ...
Again, I have no clue. And again, why does it matter whether they crashed an airplane or a missile into the damn thing? <SNIP>
I <3 history. It's everything that ever happened! And thanks to the Future Shock phenomenon x teh interwebz, I have watched SO much of it happen...
:o/
Yeah, me too.
On 09/10/2018 01:04 PM, Razer wrote:
On 09/09/2018 09:52 PM, Mirimir wrote:
maybe top Saudis are actually Jewish
Actually the inbred "House of Saud" is of Persian descent.
Rr
Huh, it would have made a cool story. So why are Israel and Saudi Arabia working together? Just US links?
On 09/10/2018 01:15 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/10/2018 01:04 PM, Razer wrote:
On 09/09/2018 09:52 PM, Mirimir wrote:
maybe top Saudis are actually Jewish Actually the inbred "House of Saud" is of Persian descent.
Rr
Huh, it would have made a cool story.
So why are Israel and Saudi Arabia working together? Just US links?
US-UK satraps since day one of their respective existences. I forget where I picked that tidbit up. I believe it was via Juan Cole's Informed Comment almost a decade ago. He ought to know. He was tenured professor in Persian Studies @UMichigan. Rr
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:04:15 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/09/2018 09:52 PM, Mirimir wrote:
maybe top Saudis are actually Jewish
Actually the inbred "House of Saud" is of Persian descent.
quick search doesn't find any proof for that claim (but I see articles claiming it has jewish origins ha ha) https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-history-of-the-house-of-saud-1.5365900 oops the jews want MONEY for the shitty article - here's a copy though http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:osulw1OP66UJ:https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-history-of-the-house-of-saud-1.5365900%2Bhouse+of+saud+origin&hl=es-419&gbv=1&ct=clnk searching for "pers" there finds nothing so I'll assume persia isn't mentioned, and so no, the house of saud has nothing to do with the persians.
On 09/10/2018 02:19 PM, juan wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:04:15 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/09/2018 09:52 PM, Mirimir wrote:
maybe top Saudis are actually Jewish Actually the inbred "House of Saud" is of Persian descent.
quick search doesn't find any proof for that claim (but I see articles claiming it has jewish origins ha ha)
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-history-of-the-house-of-saud-1.5365900
oops the jews want MONEY for the shitty article - here's a copy though
searching for "pers" there finds nothing so I'll assume persia isn't mentioned, and so no, the house of saud has nothing to do with the persians.
I'll take a Persian scholar's word for it over a fucking google search. So I did a quickie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saud#Origins_and_early_history Leads to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani%27_ibn_Rabi%27a_al-Muraydi Who resided in East Arabia... Right next door to Iran. Eastern Arabia was historically known as Bahrain (Arabic: البحرين) until the 18th century. This region stretched from the south of Basra along the Persian Gulf coast and included the regions of Bahrain, Kuwait, Al-Hasa, Qatif, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Southern Iraq, and Northern Oman. The entire coastal strip of Eastern Arabia was known as “Bahrain” for ten centuries.[1] Until very recently, the whole of Eastern Arabia, from southern Iraq to the mountains of Oman, was a place where people moved around, settled and married unconcerned by national borders.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabia I'll take that as proof of Cole's statement, stupid. Rr
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:38:09 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-history-of-the-house-of-saud-1.5365900
oops the jews want MONEY for the shitty article - here's a copy though
searching for "pers" there finds nothing so I'll assume persia isn't mentioned, and so no, the house of saud has nothing to do with the persians.
I'll take a Persian scholar's word for it over a fucking google search.
that's not a google search, that's a link to an article in the jooish haaretz newspaper, in the google cache, so you dont have to pay the joos to read the article.
So I did a quickie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saud#Origins_and_early_history
oh wikimierda....(first hit on google...) and yeah I checked that too. There's is zero mention of your claim.
Leads to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani%27_ibn_Rabi%27a_al-Muraydi
Who resided in East Arabia... Right next door to Iran.
and that proves, what exactly. Oh yeah, all people living in the middle east, 'close' to iran must be persian, including the joos I guess.
Eastern Arabia was historically known as Bahrain (Arabic: البحرين) until the 18th century. This region stretched from the south of Basra along the Persian Gulf coast and included the regions of Bahrain, Kuwait, Al-Hasa, Qatif, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Southern Iraq, and Northern Oman. The entire coastal strip of Eastern Arabia was known as “Bahrain” for ten centuries.[1]
Until very recently, the whole of Eastern Arabia, from southern Iraq to the mountains of Oman, was a place where people moved around, settled and married unconcerned by national borders.[1]
and? How is that supposed to prove your claim. Oh wait. It doesn't, at all. If anything it proves the opposite - a region called 'xxx arabia' where different people come and go. Persians and arabs have been living ther for how many thousands of years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabia
I'll take that as proof of Cole's statement, stupid.
lol. So, we are still waiting for any half serious source for your claim. Let us know if you ever find one. just in case you still don't get it : you have to provide a link to an article from cole containing the claim - until then, your claim is not only false, but it's complete bullshit you made up, including the cole atribution. you're welcome.
Rr
On 09/10/2018 05:50 AM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 10/09/2018 10:50, Steve Kinney wrote:
Everyone Knows that most of the nominal hijackers were Saudi nationals. But in real life, most of them remain John Does: Because the real people whose identities were stolen by the hijackers turned up alive,
Liar.
A very famous Jew supposedly said it is not what goes into your mouth that makes you unclean, but what comes out of your mouth. Your last couple of posts seem to reflect an effort to prove yourself vicious, ignorant, and either delusional or looking to excuse and promote genocide. Did you know: Genetic testing shows no discernible difference between ethnic Jews and Muslims native to Palestine. Before Jewish refugees led by Zionist trash were dumped in Palestine by countries who didn't want them any more than the Nazis did, the Muslims, Jews and Christians in Palestine just got along. The invaders from the north were also egalitarians of a sort, and fucked over the local Jews as badly as anyone else in the process of stealing "their" land, given to them by the Allied nations after WWII. Observant Jews are some of my favorite people. Not one of them is a Zionist, and most actively condemn Zionism. :o)
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/10/2018 05:50 AM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 10/09/2018 10:50, Steve Kinney wrote:
Everyone Knows that most of the nominal hijackers were Saudi nationals. But in real life, most of them remain John Does: Because the real people whose identities were stolen by the hijackers turned up alive,
Liar.
A very famous Jew supposedly said it is not what goes into your mouth that makes you unclean, but what comes out of your mouth. Your last couple of posts seem to reflect an effort to prove yourself vicious, ignorant, and either delusional or looking to excuse and promote genocide.
Did you know: Genetic testing shows no discernible difference between ethnic Jews and Muslims native to Palestine. Before Jewish refugees led by Zionist trash were dumped in Palestine by countries who didn't want them any more than the Nazis did, the Muslims, Jews and Christians in Palestine just got along. The invaders from the north were also egalitarians of a sort, and fucked over the local Jews as badly as anyone else in the process of stealing "their" land, given to them by the Allied nations after WWII.
Observant Jews are some of my favorite people. Not one of them is a Zionist, and most actively condemn Zionism.
Jim likes to spout wreams of utter bullshit and is indifferent to facts or logic (at least when it comes to anything other than coding, where I withhold judgement - not to be seen as an endorsement). My feelings on Zionism (and religion in general) are summed up pretty well by that old Propagandhi chestnut: "Haille Sellasse, Up Your Ass" You speak of Rastafari, but how can you justify belief In a god that's left you behind? You've simply filled the gap between the upper and lower class And your faith merely keeps you in line. An amalgamation of jewish scripture and christian thought. What will that get you? Not a fuck of a lot. Take a look at your promised land. Your deed is that gun in your hand. Mt. Zion's a minefield. The West Bank. The Gaza Strip. Soon to be parking lots for American tourists and fascist cops. Fuck zionism. Fuck militarism. Fuck americanism. Fuck nationalism. Fuck religion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpXY1aWKgI
:o)
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Message-ID: <20180910184229.jineyhssxbxfdql2@synfin.org> References: <5b9301d3.1c69fb81.ec5a2.b89a@mx.google.com> <dc83172a-89d2-abd6-ed1c-a55215d8bd30@pilobilus.net> <1e5a8098-d8fb-329c-dab1-1c68d5909432@echeque.com> <5b9590db.1c69fb81.a484b.1898@mx.google.com> <dafde8a6-bcdb-ffcf-8187-31e998864757@riseup.net> <b1706d7f-5855-af31-f0a2-0a718f061742@pilobilus.net> <2494c4ff-20b6-7f37-85f4-093d28705d30@echeque.com> <e836f7e0-2cc9-8569-e8e8-32d8707357b8@pilobilus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3htjxrnjhdwbxpf6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <e836f7e0-2cc9-8569-e8e8-32d8707357b8@pilobilus.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org X-BeenThere: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: The Cypherpunks Mailing List <cypherpunks.lists.cpunks.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/options/cypherpunks>, <mailto:cypherpunks-request@lists.cpunks.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/> List-Post: <mailto:cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> List-Help: <mailto:cypherpunks-request@lists.cpunks.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks>, <mailto:cypherpunks-request@lists.cpunks.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org Sender: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org> --3htjxrnjhdwbxpf6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 01:11:00PM -0700, Razer wrote:
On 09/10/2018 11:42 AM, John Newman wrote:
(In some fucking weird font that doesn't display at all in plaintext or html in tbird, so, view source)
It's just plain text, generated by mutt. There is no fucking weird font. It has a content-type line of "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable" It looks fine in gmail, in a couple clients on my phone, in mutt, in the archives - https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-September/043119.html And the link works fine. It was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpXY1aWKgI It opens, I promise. Dunno why thunderbird is having issues. Period! :) -- John
Screenshots of Youtube's message and the plaintext view in tbird. In order: https://78.media.tumblr.com/7daac9f305ff3f24dc6d82d8241c3e01/tumblr_pev0ea92... https://78.media.tumblr.com/35e57ce6c7ccdcc5a794368307b12754/tumblr_pev0ea92... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWKgI redirects to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWK every time. Rr On 09/10/2018 02:05 PM, John Newman wrote: Return-Path: <jnn@synfin.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on spoonbill.riseup.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AM_TRUNCATED,BAYES_50, CK_419SIZE,CK_KARD_SIZE,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FORWARD_RELAY, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 Delivered-To: g2s@riseup.net Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by spoonbill.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2586EF for <g2s@riseup.net>; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wintermute.synfin.org (synfin.org [198.154.106.50]) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C8C1A14E9 for <g2s@riseup.net>; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: mx1.riseup.net; dkim=pass reason="1024-bit key; unprotected key/testing" header.d=synfin.org header.i=@synfin.org header.b=jq44UGUQ; dkim-adsp=pass; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from wintermute.synfin.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wintermute.synfin.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB703A2EF2; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:05:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at synfin.org Received: from wintermute.synfin.org ([127.0.0.1]) by wintermute.synfin.org (wintermute.synfin.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ftxbQ2azdMA6; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wintermute.synfin.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 49B9F3A2EEE; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:05:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=synfin.org; s=SYNFIN; t=1536613509; bh=z3ql+zv5aXsTdNvL6VQcq9aYHyrErCo/rp+HRAMOKiI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=jq44UGUQ8751Uvpw4wxgZCB+mj9dEI7SYsIA76Jj+2eUvetOWcLC073FHx0tA9LND ruKjyfP/i+0mrmBoUmS7slCFAGEuCPI4eWSPUl28SNywalgEC4G7edxqaPr+HTQ4kh Ir0gu3BesKs5Qau4lmRmrJ+lXdJXmnRswHqazDHE= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:05:09 -0400 From: John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> To: Razer <g2s@riseup.net> Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: latest false flag attack? Message-ID: <20180910210509.caa4qio2imhfvkqb@synfin.org> References: <5b9301d3.1c69fb81.ec5a2.b89a@mx.google.com> <dc83172a-89d2-abd6-ed1c-a55215d8bd30@pilobilus.net> <1e5a8098-d8fb-329c-dab1-1c68d5909432@echeque.com> <5b9590db.1c69fb81.a484b.1898@mx.google.com> <dafde8a6-bcdb-ffcf-8187-31e998864757@riseup.net> <b1706d7f-5855-af31-f0a2-0a718f061742@pilobilus.net> <2494c4ff-20b6-7f37-85f4-093d28705d30@echeque.com> <e836f7e0-2cc9-8569-e8e8-32d8707357b8@pilobilus.net> <20180910184229.jineyhssxbxfdql2@synfin.org> <c279992e-57ec-1c54-bfbd-0daa2b0e09e6@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="trm7cgddxkjxy4bi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <c279992e-57ec-1c54-bfbd-0daa2b0e09e6@riseup.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 --trm7cgddxkjxy4bi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 01:11:00PM -0700, Razer wrote:
=20 =20 On 09/10/2018 11:42 AM, John Newman wrote: =20 (In some fucking weird font that doesn't display at all in plaintext or html in tbird, so, view source)
It's just plain text, generated by mutt. There is no fucking weird font. It has a content-type line of "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable" It looks fine in gmail, in a couple clients on my phone, in mutt, in the archives - https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-September/043119.html And the link works fine. It was=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWKgI It opens, I promise. Dunno why thunderbird is having issues. Period! :) -- John --trm7cgddxkjxy4bi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEF/1hWtINr+iz5MnS4yQgvtR6eMcFAluW3IEACgkQ4yQgvtR6 eMdq2ggAu4yJ8Tnd68WwxocukVVBb1k1qqVowxWljOS7B4kVNO6E+MUVTDFzyOik +sYP7zilOKuPGvEwLdmTkjAAqrpSXtl5OObpnnijCMsvh3kC0ayNperA9tNIOT/H mjgB8U/DsM5MaK3/TbS/XdBsWWFRVBYil7SLzVoCSI0vlgGDJSI0hXWv02vyJKlq P56ofuE2toiJmc3d+ypOlPWYH5JWc0dcz9DbyNiF0o5zYzSuzH4D/DWCA3DJSY5Z XlBIx1IVYmR8S61b17P+M10EgYmR/nxNSBb+bOBhImM1NqttrwDE9CiQs5YKxBjk eaMfkHFmYPt0Yv8rJSFJtKhPG5SwTw== =zDAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --trm7cgddxkjxy4bi--
Johnny goy's email opens just fine here. And his tube. Your 'tube link is wront, an "3D" is being inserted:
notice the 3D just after the = sign - get rid of that and you should be good to go. Here's the orig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpXY1aWKgI On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 02:49:08PM -0700, Razer wrote:
Screenshots of Youtube's message and the plaintext view in tbird.
In order:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/7daac9f305ff3f24dc6d82d8241c3e01/tumblr_pev0ea92...
https://78.media.tumblr.com/35e57ce6c7ccdcc5a794368307b12754/tumblr_pev0ea92...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWKgI redirects to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWK every time.
Rr
On 09/10/2018 02:05 PM, John Newman wrote:
Return-Path: <jnn@synfin.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on spoonbill.riseup.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AM_TRUNCATED,BAYES_50, CK_419SIZE,CK_KARD_SIZE,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FORWARD_RELAY, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 Delivered-To: g2s@riseup.net Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by spoonbill.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2586EF for <g2s@riseup.net>; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wintermute.synfin.org (synfin.org [198.154.106.50]) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C8C1A14E9 for <g2s@riseup.net>; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: mx1.riseup.net; dkim=pass reason="1024-bit key; unprotected key/testing" header.d=synfin.org header.i=@synfin.org header.b=jq44UGUQ; dkim-adsp=pass; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from wintermute.synfin.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wintermute.synfin.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB703A2EF2; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:05:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at synfin.org Received: from wintermute.synfin.org ([127.0.0.1]) by wintermute.synfin.org (wintermute.synfin.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ftxbQ2azdMA6; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wintermute.synfin.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 49B9F3A2EEE; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:05:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=synfin.org; s=SYNFIN; t=1536613509; bh=z3ql+zv5aXsTdNvL6VQcq9aYHyrErCo/rp+HRAMOKiI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=jq44UGUQ8751Uvpw4wxgZCB+mj9dEI7SYsIA76Jj+2eUvetOWcLC073FHx0tA9LND ruKjyfP/i+0mrmBoUmS7slCFAGEuCPI4eWSPUl28SNywalgEC4G7edxqaPr+HTQ4kh Ir0gu3BesKs5Qau4lmRmrJ+lXdJXmnRswHqazDHE= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:05:09 -0400 From: John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> To: Razer <g2s@riseup.net> Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: latest false flag attack? Message-ID: <20180910210509.caa4qio2imhfvkqb@synfin.org> References: <5b9301d3.1c69fb81.ec5a2.b89a@mx.google.com> <dc83172a-89d2-abd6-ed1c-a55215d8bd30@pilobilus.net> <1e5a8098-d8fb-329c-dab1-1c68d5909432@echeque.com> <5b9590db.1c69fb81.a484b.1898@mx.google.com> <dafde8a6-bcdb-ffcf-8187-31e998864757@riseup.net> <b1706d7f-5855-af31-f0a2-0a718f061742@pilobilus.net> <2494c4ff-20b6-7f37-85f4-093d28705d30@echeque.com> <e836f7e0-2cc9-8569-e8e8-32d8707357b8@pilobilus.net> <20180910184229.jineyhssxbxfdql2@synfin.org> <c279992e-57ec-1c54-bfbd-0daa2b0e09e6@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="trm7cgddxkjxy4bi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <c279992e-57ec-1c54-bfbd-0daa2b0e09e6@riseup.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 01:11:00PM -0700, Razer wrote:
=20 =20 On 09/10/2018 11:42 AM, John Newman wrote: =20 (In some fucking weird font that doesn't display at all in plaintext or html in tbird, so, view source)
It's just plain text, generated by mutt. There is no fucking weird font. It has a content-type line of
"Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable"
It looks fine in gmail, in a couple clients on my phone, in mutt, in the archives -
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-September/043119.html
And the link works fine. It was=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWKgI
It opens, I promise. Dunno why thunderbird is having issues. Period! :)
-- John
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 08:46:03AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Johnny goy's email opens just fine here. And his tube.
BTW, I should retract any suggestion John Newman is an honourable goy - his behaviour is much more Zionista than goyim... beware the Zio in a goy jacket 'n all.
Open the link as it is in the archives at https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-September/043119.html or https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-September/043128.html which is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpXY1aWKgI There is no "v=3D" in the link, as in your version... BTW it's just the song I pasted the lyrics from, although it's a cool song. IDK what the fuck tbird (or mutt & tbird) are doing... It looks like it can't handle plain text encoded messages properly. I'll install it when I get some free time and see if I can figure out what's going on. This message NOT sent by mutt ;) John On September 10, 2018 4:49:08 PM CDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Screenshots of Youtube's message and the plaintext view in tbird.
In order:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/7daac9f305ff3f24dc6d82d8241c3e01/tumblr_pev0ea92...
https://78.media.tumblr.com/35e57ce6c7ccdcc5a794368307b12754/tumblr_pev0ea92...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWKgI redirects to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWK every time.
Rr
On 09/10/2018 02:05 PM, John Newman wrote:
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 01:11:00PM -0700, Razer wrote:
=20 =20 On 09/10/2018 11:42 AM, John Newman wrote: =20 (In some fucking weird font that doesn't display at all in plaintext or html in tbird, so, view source)
It's just plain text, generated by mutt. There is no fucking weird font. It has a content-type line of
"Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable"
It looks fine in gmail, in a couple clients on my phone, in mutt, in the archives -
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-September/043119.html
And the link works fine. It was=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSPpXY1aWKgI
It opens, I promise. Dunno why thunderbird is having issues. Period! :)
-- John
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On 09/10/2018 11:42 AM, John Newman wrote:
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/10/2018 05:50 AM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 10/09/2018 10:50, Steve Kinney wrote:
Everyone Knows that most of the nominal hijackers were Saudi nationals. But in real life, most of them remain John Does: Because the real people whose identities were stolen by the hijackers turned up alive,
Liar.
A very famous Jew supposedly said it is not what goes into your mouth that makes you unclean, but what comes out of your mouth. Your last couple of posts seem to reflect an effort to prove yourself vicious, ignorant, and either delusional or looking to excuse and promote genocide.
Did you know: Genetic testing shows no discernible difference between ethnic Jews and Muslims native to Palestine. Before Jewish refugees led by Zionist trash were dumped in Palestine by countries who didn't want them any more than the Nazis did, the Muslims, Jews and Christians in Palestine just got along. The invaders from the north were also egalitarians of a sort, and fucked over the local Jews as badly as anyone else in the process of stealing "their" land, given to them by the Allied nations after WWII.
Observant Jews are some of my favorite people. Not one of them is a Zionist, and most actively condemn Zionism.
Jim likes to spout wreams of utter bullshit and is indifferent to facts or logic (at least when it comes to anything other than coding, where I withhold judgement - not to be seen as an endorsement).
My feelings on Zionism (and religion in general) are summed up pretty well by that old Propagandhi chestnut: "Haille Sellasse, Up Your Ass"
You speak of Rastafari, but how can you justify belief In a god that's left you behind? You've simply filled the gap between the upper and lower class And your faith merely keeps you in line. An amalgamation of jewish scripture and christian thought. What will that get you? Not a fuck of a lot. Take a look at your promised land. Your deed is that gun in your hand. Mt. Zion's a minefield. The West Bank. The Gaza Strip. Soon to be parking lots for American tourists and fascist cops. Fuck zionism. Fuck militarism. Fuck americanism. Fuck nationalism. Fuck religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpXY1aWKgI
:o)
Well, damn bro, _you will love_ Stover's _Iron Dawn_ and _Jericho Moon_! If you can get past the somewhat inelegant writing, anyway. It was his first published stuff, after all. They take place about a decade after the Trojan War, as the Hebrew Maccabees were initially rising against the Seleucid Empire, a few years after the fall of Jericho. _Jericho Moon_ focuses on the failed siege of Jebusi (Jerusalem), several hundred years before it actually fell to the Hebrews. It's got some good stuff about the relationship of El, Asherah's consort, to Yahweh Saboth, El Shaddai. And Hebrew practices of summoning Shahkhath.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:50:06 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 10/09/2018 10:50, Steve Kinney wrote:
Everyone Knows that most of the nominal hijackers were Saudi nationals. But in real life, most of them remain John Does: Because the real people whose identities were stolen by the hijackers turned up alive,
Liar.
you are so retarded james even your masters admit it "Hijack 'suspects' alive and well" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm that is the fu cking b b c.
On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:22:57 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
I guess 9/11 is better described not just as a false flag attack but as an inside job. I don't think isreal by itself could have done it, but obviously the jewish faction of the american government was involved. And the pro-amerika faction of the saudi govt may have played some minor part, mostly as grunts. So 9/11 remains as amerikan as apple pie, slavery, napalm, jim crow and all the rest of American Virtues. 9/11, another supremely successful mision planned by General Baxter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6O6sM2Shok
911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
I guess 9/11 is better described not just as a false flag attack but as an inside job.
It was an inside job only in the sense that Robert Mueller told the FBI to overlook bad Muslim behavior, in the same way and for the same reasons that the officers at Fort Hood politely and respectfully listened to Major Hassan's power point presentation on why he was going to kill them. When you guys tell us that there was molten iron pouring out of the two tower, you knowingly lie about what the videos plainly show. When you guys tell us that the towers abruptly went into free fall, with every part of the tower starting to fall simultaneously, you knowingly lie about what the videos show. When you guys tell us about dancing Israelis, you knowingly lie about what the videos show. When you guys tell us that no plane hit the Pentagon, you knowingly lie about what the videos show. When you guys tell us that the controller of the Trade Tower seven told us on video that it was going to be demolished, you knowingly lie about what the videos show. The purpose of these lies is to deny the culpability of Robert Mueller, and to persuade us that importing millions of young male military age Muslims from Saharan Africa and dumping them on marginal federal electorates is not a problem. Video shows Flight 77 flying into the Pentagon at almost ground level, and small bits of Flight 77 and its passengers were sprayed all over the Pentagon. Small spatters of the passengers' bones are still turning up in the Pentagon. Video shows the towers falling like trees, not like demolitions, particularly Trade Tower Seven. Each tower starts its fall by leaning sideways into the hole smashed by the plane, like a tree notched by the axe man. Each tower starts by falling sideways like a tree notched by the axe man, and *then* goes into free fall. The video showing burning fluid pouring out of the Trade Tower shows a stream of burning jet fuel carrying burning seat cushions and burning body parts. The liquid pouring out is only flame hot and flame bright, not molten iron hot and molten iron bright. Real molten iron is too bright to be viewed with the naked eye, so bright as to be very difficult to video. If you look at videos of real molten iron pours, the intense light of molten iron overwhelms the camera, intensely illuminating everything around it, so that near the molten iron the light is too bright to register, looking like a Star Wars light saber, rather than a fluid or a flame, and away from the molten iron, full sunlight looks like darkness, as the camera or the camera operator turns its sensitivity down to minimum to avoid damage. Similarly, thermite. If there was "nano thermite" or "thermate" involved in the fall of the towers, it would have been obvious. I have seen real molten iron pours, and they look like most videos of molten iron pouring - blinding the eyes in the same way as they blind the cameras. To video molten iron, you have to video it through welding goggles. If you look at a Youtube video of molten iron taken in full sunlight by an ordinary camera without special measures, the sunlight turns to darkness as the camera attempts to accommodate the molten iron, and it still cannot accommodate the molten iron. You knowingly lie about all these things, and proof that you know you are lying is that you do not link to the video evidence, you link to videos of talking heads telling lies about the video evidence. If you genuinely thought that the videos show what you say they show, you would link to the videos themselves, rather than linking to videos of liars talking about what the videos supposedly show. If there was thermite and such in the fall of the towers, we would not need talking heads to tell us what we were seeing. Everyone would have seen it. You are lying to cover the misconduct of Robert Mueller, and in defense of the Deep State / Democratic Party program of race replacement, in particular their program of moving vast numbers of black male Muslim military age rapist voters into marginal federal electorates. They are not moving millions of Israeli voters into marginal federal electorates, and if they were, they would not be raping white women and children.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:49:39 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
I guess 9/11 is better described not just as a false flag attack but as an inside job.
It was an inside job only in the sense that
in the sense that it was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
On 11/09/2018 16:10, juan wrote:
[911] was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
Easy for a bunch of camel jockeys with box cutters to do it, when the FBI has a quota on how many misbehaving Muslims they can arrest. And if you had any evidence for any of clever and complicated things the troofers had proposed, you would have linked to evidence The only links you guys ever produce are one liar linking to another liar making the same claim with the same total and complete lack of evidence, a sybil attack against sanity in support of genocidaires. You create a seemingly large number of voices all saying the same thing, but none of the links actually point to anything except each other. Sybil attack to gaslight the sane.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:01:43 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 11/09/2018 16:10, juan wrote:
[911] was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
Easy for a bunch of camel jockeys with box cutters to do it,
lol - here sonny, these are your betters and alleged 'suicide bombers', alive and kicking : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm and here's one of the cleanest example of controlled demolition in the history of the universe : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo see? That is C O N T R O L L E D D E M O L I T I O N.
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 04:51:40PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:01:43 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 11/09/2018 16:10, juan wrote:
[911] was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
Easy for a bunch of camel jockeys with box cutters to do it,
lol - here sonny, these are your betters and alleged 'suicide bombers', alive and kicking :
Oh come on! So he escaped BOTH wtc towers after flying planes a few minutes apart into each tower, then hijacked -another- plane to return to Morocco - I mean, the hide of this Waleed Al Shehri to now claim he did NOT do it, it's just ... 2018 already! Jew escaped 6 Nazi "gas chambers" - Saudi escaped 2 WTC suicide planes - surely you wouldn't want a plausible story now? - what's not to like?
and here's one of the cleanest example of controlled demolition in the history of the universe :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo
see? That is C O N T R O L L E D D E M O L I T I O N.
On 12/09/2018 07:29, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
lol - here sonny, these are your betters and alleged 'suicide bombers', alive and kicking :
Oh come on! So he escaped BOTH wtc towers after flying planes a few minutes apart into each tower, then hijacked -another- plane to return to Morocco - I mean, the hide of this Waleed Al Shehri
There are no less than three people with that name, and probably a hundred others. Similarly, if someone called John Smith had robbed a bank, the existence of a dozen innocent Johns Smiths would not cast doubt on the bank robbing story. That arabs are notoriously prone to reuse names does not cast doubt on the hijacking story.
On 09/11/2018 08:34 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 12/09/2018 07:29, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
lol - here sonny, these are your betters and alleged 'suicide bombers', alive and kicking :
Oh come on! So he escaped BOTH wtc towers after flying planes a few minutes apart into each tower, then hijacked -another- plane to return to Morocco - I mean, the hide of this Waleed Al Shehri
There are no less than three people with that name, and probably a hundred others. Similarly, if someone called John Smith had robbed a bank, the existence of a dozen innocent Johns Smiths would not cast doubt on the bank robbing story.
That arabs are notoriously prone to reuse names does not cast doubt on the hijacking story.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking :)
On 12/09/2018 03:51, juan wrote:
lol - here sonny, these are your betters and alleged 'suicide bombers', alive and kicking :
One notorious liar quotes another notorious liar, neither of whom has any evidence for their claims, other than each other.
On 12/09/2018 03:51, juan wrote:
and here's one of the cleanest example of controlled demolition in the history of the universe :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo
see? That is C O N T R O L L E D D E M O L I T I O N.
If controlled, would go straight down and all at once. Trade Tower seven goes down irregularly one part at a time and sideways.
-------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Date: 9/11/18 1:10 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: latest false flag attack? On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:49:39 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
I guess 9/11 is better described not just as a false flag attack but as an inside job.
It was an inside job only in the sense that
in the sense that it was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
You have zero evidence to that effect. You're just another racist who thinks 'ragheads' would be capable of accomplishing the act, scumbag. Rr
On 09/11/2018 06:08 AM, Razer wrote:
-------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Date: 9/11/18 1:10 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: latest false flag attack? On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:49:39 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
I guess 9/11 is better described not just as a false flag attack but as an inside job.
It was an inside job only in the sense that
in the sense that it was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
You have zero evidence to that effect. You're just another racist who thinks 'ragheads' would be [in]capable of accomplishing the act, scumbag.
Rr
I have no serious doubt that the attackers were Saudi. I just wonder who orchestrated the attack. I mean, nobody questions that it wasn't Japanese planes that attacked Pearl Harbor. And that the Japanese military planned it. But it's pretty clear that the US manipulated the Japanese into attacking, to create a pretext for entering WWII. Which most Americans had been opposing. So anyway, the two stories seem very similar to me.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:06:13 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
I have no serious doubt that the attackers were Saudi.
why? that's just cheap pentagon propaganda. You are 'skeptical' about obvious facts, ignore others but have 'no serious doubt' about that bit? look "Hijack 'suspects' alive and well" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
I just wonder who orchestrated the attack.
only one actor could have directed and carried the attack - the US military. razers comment about 'racism' is just mind numbingly retarding trolling. The actual reason why a bunch of arabs with 'boxcuters' couldn't do it is because the plan required direct access to places that only US military agents can have and the ability to cover their tracks that only the US military has. and notice that the chances of razer being a US government troll are very very high.
I mean, nobody questions that it wasn't Japanese planes that attacked Pearl Harbor. And that the Japanese military planned it. But it's pretty clear that the US manipulated the Japanese into attacking, to create a pretext for entering WWII. Which most Americans had been opposing.
So anyway, the two stories seem very similar to me.
On 09/11/2018 01:04 PM, juan wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:06:13 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
I have no serious doubt that the attackers were Saudi.
why? that's just cheap pentagon propaganda. You are 'skeptical' about obvious facts, ignore others but have 'no serious doubt' about that bit?
look "Hijack 'suspects' alive and well" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
Thanks :) Now that I see that, I do vaguely remember it. But you know, 17 years ago :( But OK, we don't know for sure that they were Saudis.
I just wonder who orchestrated the attack.
only one actor could have directed and carried the attack - the US military.
What's the evidence for that? Lots of planes were hijacked over the years, from US airports. It's just that none of the hijackers knew how to fly them. So why is it impossible that a bunch of guys could have gone to flight schools, and then hijacked some planes?
razers comment about 'racism' is just mind numbingly retarding trolling. The actual reason why a bunch of arabs with 'boxcuters' couldn't do it is because the plan required direct access to places that only US military agents can have and the ability to cover their tracks that only the US military has.
and notice that the chances of razer being a US government troll are very very high.
I have no opinion. But it is a truism that those with extreme opinions tend to be government agents ;)
I mean, nobody questions that it wasn't Japanese planes that attacked Pearl Harbor. And that the Japanese military planned it. But it's pretty clear that the US manipulated the Japanese into attacking, to create a pretext for entering WWII. Which most Americans had been opposing.
So anyway, the two stories seem very similar to me.
So what's your opinion of the standard Pearl Harbor story?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:04:14 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/11/2018 01:04 PM, juan wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:06:13 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
I have no serious doubt that the attackers were Saudi.
why? that's just cheap pentagon propaganda. You are 'skeptical' about obvious facts, ignore others but have 'no serious doubt' about that bit?
look "Hijack 'suspects' alive and well" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
Thanks :) Now that I see that, I do vaguely remember it. But you know, 17 years ago :( But OK, we don't know for sure that they were Saudis.
Don't know 'for sure'? Why do you keep assuming the 'saudis' were involved and not the US military directly.
I just wonder who orchestrated the attack.
only one actor could have directed and carried the attack - the US military.
What's the evidence for that? Lots of planes were hijacked over the years, from US airports.
And? Also, there was no plane at the pentagon. You keep ignoring that?
It's just that none of the hijackers knew how to fly them.
right, the point has been made that 9/11 alleged hijackers could have hit the towers with a jumbo like they allegedly did. So you see, the 'official' conspiracy about hijackers is bullshit.
So why is it impossible that a bunch of guys could have gone to flight schools, and then hijacked some planes?
it's not impossible. Doesn't mean it's true though. What is impossible is that they were able to hit the towers with minimal or no experience flying big jets. And Why would they go to 'fly schools' in the US? It would have made more sense to learn how to fly big jets in saudi arabia or elsewhere.
razers comment about 'racism' is just mind numbingly retarding trolling. The actual reason why a bunch of arabs with 'boxcuters' couldn't do it is because the plan required direct access to places that only US military agents can have and the ability to cover their tracks that only the US military has.
and notice that the chances of razer being a US government troll are very very high.
I have no opinion. But it is a truism that those with extreme opinions tend to be government agents ;)
nonsense - on the other hand anti libertarian assholes like razer or james parroting US war propaganda are very likely to be govt agents. it has nothing to do with being 'extreme'(whatever you mean by that) and everything to do with being anti freedom, pro military like razer and james.
I mean, nobody questions that it wasn't Japanese planes that attacked Pearl Harbor. And that the Japanese military planned it. But it's pretty clear that the US manipulated the Japanese into attacking, to create a pretext for entering WWII. Which most Americans had been opposing.
So anyway, the two stories seem very similar to me.
So what's your opinion of the standard Pearl Harbor story?
that yes, the japanese may well have been tricked or pushed into attacking pearl harbour but that doesn't mean that's the only option sombody wanting an excuse for war has. Actors who want war can partially use other people, or they can do the attacks themsleves like in 9/11 or the gulf of tonkin - you know stuff like that planed in operation northwoods, etc. botton line : the only actor with the capabilities, the motive and who obviously profited from the 9/11 inside job is the US govcorp by means of the US military.
On 12/09/2018 05:48, juan wrote:
And? Also, there was no plane at the pentagon. You keep ignoring that?
There was a plane at the pentagon. We have video of it flying level and very fast at almost ground level straight in to the Pentagon, and small bits it and its passengers all over the pentagon.
On 12/09/2018 12:39, juan wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:51:27 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 12/09/2018 05:48, juan wrote:
And? Also, there was no plane at the pentagon. You keep ignoring that?
There was a plane at the pentagon. We have video of it
link it
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Pentagon_Security_Camera... A single frame at 1:26 Video camera is taking pictures in low resolution at one per second.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAfbXhvSUo This priest was right under the plane, which clipped a light pole.
On 09/12/2018 01:41 AM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 12/09/2018 12:39, juan wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:51:27 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 12/09/2018 05:48, juan wrote:
And? Also, there was no plane at the pentagon. You keep ignoring that?
There was a plane at the pentagon. We have video of it
link it
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Pentagon_Security_Camera...
A single frame at 1:26
Damn, one frame, and the resolution is so low that the "plane" could easily have been edited in.
Video camera is taking pictures in low resolution at one per second.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAfbXhvSUo This priest was right under the plane, which clipped a light pole.
Yeah, but the parts of this video featuring that priest are obviously dramatizations. I can't imagine that he was traveling with a camera crew. In any case, several people have said that they saw the plane come in, as I recall. But they could all be lying under orders, I suppose.
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:41:44 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 12/09/2018 12:39, juan wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:51:27 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 12/09/2018 05:48, juan wrote:
And? Also, there was no plane at the pentagon. You keep ignoring that?
There was a plane at the pentagon. We have video of it
link it
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Pentagon_Security_Camera...
right, there's no plane to be seen in that 'security' video. Thanks for making my point again and again. Also what kind of braindead fascist sheep would believe that the "security cameras" at the pentagon have that sort of quality? ONE camera at ONE fps at 300x200? Really? Are you pretending to be SO fuckingly retarded? Hey, the pentagon also had a State of the Art anti aircraft defense system. Composed of 10 black slaves aremed with slingshots. But they fought bravely against the terrists!
A single frame at 1:26
LMAO you mean a blur at 1:26.
Video camera is taking pictures in low resolution at one per second.'
really? How did you realize that? Is is it thanks to your extensive training in mathematics cryptography and moral philsophy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAfbXhvSUo This priest was right under the plane, which clipped a light pole.
LMAO!!!! yeah a 'priest' - is that a motherfucking cathoic criminal? - you couldn't have found a most despicable kind of liar that a 'priest' eh =) so your 'evidence' boils down to the lies of one 'priest' 'witness', govt-agent. Yes I am really really impressed..
-------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Date: 9/11/18 9:39 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: latest false flag attack? On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:51:27 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 12/09/2018 05:48, juan wrote:
And? Also, there was no plane at the pentagon. You keep ignoring that?
There was a plane at the pentagon. We have video of it
link it _________ There's a picture of what's left off an aircraft engine on the lawn. You look it up scumbag.. Rr
On 12/09/2018 05:04, Mirimir wrote:
What's the evidence for that? Lots of planes were hijacked over the years, from US airports. It's just that none of the hijackers knew how to fly them. So why is it impossible that a bunch of guys could have gone to flight schools, and then hijacked some planes?
The alleged impossibility rests on things like molten steel pouring out of the towers (it did not), the towers going instantly into free fall straight down (they did not) and lots of similarly improbable claims.
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 07:06:13AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/11/2018 06:08 AM, Razer wrote:
-------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Date: 9/11/18 1:10 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: latest false flag attack? On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:49:39 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
> 911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
I guess 9/11 is better described not just as a false flag attack but as an inside job.
It was an inside job only in the sense that
in the sense that it was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
You have zero evidence to that effect. You're just another racist who thinks 'ragheads' would be [in]capable of accomplishing the act, scumbag.
Rr
I have no serious doubt that the attackers were Saudi.
I just wonder who orchestrated the attack.
I mean, nobody questions that it wasn't Japanese planes that attacked Pearl Harbor. And that the Japanese military planned it. But it's pretty clear that the US manipulated the Japanese into attacking, to create a pretext for entering WWII. Which most Americans had been opposing.
So anyway, the two stories seem very similar to me.
Nice observation. My first guess is looking at (((who did not turn up for work that morning))) - indeed many even rumouredly got an email to that effect. Planned indeed...
On 09/11/2018 01:10 AM, juan wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:49:39 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
911 happened
because you 'needed' - 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbour
Someone did, for sure. It could have been Israel and/or Saudi Arabia also. I suspect that they're all connected, in some clusterfuck way.
I guess 9/11 is better described not just as a false flag attack but as an inside job.
It was an inside job only in the sense that
in the sense that it was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
OK, so I don't have any primary evidence. Except that I was near enough to Jersey City, when the first plane hit, that I quickly got to a pier, and watched the second plane hit. And sat there, drinking coffee, while the rest of it went down. And then I've followed the story, more or less closely, for 17 years. What I can say is that there was definitely a second plane, and that the main towers eventually pretty much pancaked, with some sideways lean. So the idea that the planes took them down seems quite plausible. But who was responsible? I have no clue, of course. I'm just some anonymous coward. My best guess is a Pearl Harbor sort of scenario. Basically, after the Soviet Union collapsed, the US military was looking for someone/something else to fight. The Middle East was the obvious choice. There had been lots of proxy conflict with the Soviets. And they'd developed lots of great assets. Especially in Afghanistan, involving fundamentalist Saudis. And in Iraq vs Soviet-friendly Iran. Plus Israel, of course, and its conflict with Soviet-friendly Syria and (at the time) Soviet-friendly Egypt. And poor Lebanon and the Palestinians, more-or-less friendly with evil Iran and Syria. And then there's Kissinger's long-term plan to destabilize the Middle East, and ensure access to affordable oil. So eventually it all came together. Iraq was threatening to ramp up oil production, and sell in Euros. Neither the US nor the Saudis wanted that. Instead, the US wanted to keep Iraq's oil reserves relatively undeveloped, and its society chaotic and easily dominated. Israel also wanted chaos in the Middle East, to facilitate expansion, which the US would bless. Basically, the US and Saudis manipulated Al-Qaeda into planning the attacks. The US military and Israeli Mossad monitored developments, and made sure that the attackers weren't caught. Perhaps the plan didn't include actually taking the World Trade Center down, or seriously damaging the Pentagon and White House. That is, maybe stuff just got out of hand. Or maybe they really did want something that would take the US into the Middle East, just as Pearl Harbor took it into WWII. Anyway, that's my working hypothesis, such as it is.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:00:10 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/11/2018 01:10 AM, juan wrote:
in the sense that it was done by the US military - the only scum capable of doing it.
OK, so I don't have any primary evidence. Except that I was near enough to Jersey City, when the first plane hit, that I quickly got to a pier, and watched the second plane hit. And sat there, drinking coffee, while the rest of it went down. And then I've followed the story, more or less closely, for 17 years.
I don't know if you watched it directly but it doesn't make any difference.
What I can say is that there was definitely a second plane, and that the main towers eventually pretty much pancaked, with some sideways lean. So the idea that the planes took them down seems quite plausible.
THe towers didnt pancake and WTC7 is a masterpiece of controlled demolition, so no that part of the story is not 'quite plausible'. And there's the pentagon attack with no evidence that any plane hit it.
Basically, the US and Saudis manipulated Al-Qaeda into planning the attacks.
Nah. It was the US military themselves. True, they added some hayrab props but they didn't place them too well. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
The US military and Israeli Mossad monitored developments, and made sure that the attackers weren't caught.
Nah, they may use that technique for small scale attacks, but somethign this big they had to do it themselves.
Perhaps the plan didn't include actually taking the World Trade Center down, or seriously damaging the Pentagon and White House. That is, maybe stuff just got out of hand.
Nah, that's exactly what the US military and the US govt stand for.
Or maybe they really did want something that would take the US into the Middle East, just as Pearl Harbor took it into WWII.
It seems quite clear that the US nazis keep expanding their empire and that the american global surveillance state is a direct consequence of 9/11. As well as all the rest of child murdering militarism that is the highest American Virtue.
Anyway, that's my working hypothesis, such as it is.
On 09/11/2018 11:52 AM, juan wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:00:10 -0700
<SNIP>
It seems quite clear that the US nazis keep expanding their empire and that the american global surveillance state is a direct consequence of 9/11. As well as all the rest of child murdering militarism that is the highest American Virtue.
Well, at least we can agree on that :) <SNIP>
On 12/09/2018 02:52, juan wrote:
THe towers didnt pancake and WTC7 is a masterpiece of controlled demolition,
WT7 is not a masterpiece of controlled demolition. It tilts towards the big holes created by the plane like a tree falling towards the axeman's notch. If controlled demolition, would have gone straight down.
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:25:29 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 12/09/2018 02:52, juan wrote:
THe towers didnt pancake and WTC7 is a masterpiece of controlled demolition,
WT7 is not a masterpiece of controlled demolition. It tilts towards the big holes created by the plane
LMAO - no holes were created by 'the plane' because no plane hit it. Some minor damage was caused by debris....and that has nothing to do with the fact that WTC7 remains a masterpiece of controlled demolition. A lot more orderly than other examples of controlled demolition. You probably forgot that you robotically (as per your govt contract) vomited the same stuff last year and you were retarded enough to randomly link a video...done by people who explain the controlled demolition of WTC7 So let me link (again) your OWN video - watch the whole thing, up to the end when examples of bad controlled demolition are shown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo see? YOU linked that video last year as if it proved your propaganda claims =) - priceless =)
like a tree falling towards the axeman's notch.
If controlled demolition, would have gone straight down.
and it goes straight down, at free fall speed. Whatever minor tilting there's at the end it's a lot less than many other examples of **controlled demolition** So again, WTC7 is a masterpiece of controlled demolition showing complete free fall and minimum deviation from the ideal case.
On 11/09/2018 22:00, Mirimir wrote:
Basically, the US and Saudis manipulated Al-Qaeda into planning the attacks. The US military and Israeli Mossad monitored developments, and made sure that the attackers weren't caught. Perhaps the plan didn't include actually taking the World Trade Center down, or seriously damaging the Pentagon and White House. That is, maybe stuff just got out of hand.
This theory is plausible, consistent with the available evidence, and internally consistent, but the man at the center of any conspiracy to overlook the attackers has to be Robert Mueller, and your proposed conspiracy just does not feel to me like a Robert Mueller conspiracy. Robert Mueller does not trust the US military and the Israeli Mossad, and they just do not trust him. I analyze world conflicts as proxy wars between the red empire and the blue empire. The red empire wants to defeat Islam, so is pally with Iraeli Jews. The blue empire wants to convert Islam, to do to Islam what it has done to Christianity, so is pally with, and in substantial part composed of, US progressive Jews. And Robert Mueller is blue empire.
On 09/11/2018 09:45 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 11/09/2018 22:00, Mirimir wrote:
Basically, the US and Saudis manipulated Al-Qaeda into planning the attacks. The US military and Israeli Mossad monitored developments, and made sure that the attackers weren't caught. Perhaps the plan didn't include actually taking the World Trade Center down, or seriously damaging the Pentagon and White House. That is, maybe stuff just got out of hand.
This theory is plausible, consistent with the available evidence, and internally consistent, but the man at the center of any conspiracy to overlook the attackers has to be Robert Mueller, and your proposed conspiracy just does not feel to me like a Robert Mueller conspiracy.
Robert Mueller does not trust the US military and the Israeli Mossad, and they just do not trust him.
I don't have the background to have much of an opinion about that.
I analyze world conflicts as proxy wars between the red empire and the blue empire. The red empire wants to defeat Islam, so is pally with Iraeli Jews. The blue empire wants to convert Islam, to do to Islam what it has done to Christianity, so is pally with, and in substantial part composed of, US progressive Jews. And Robert Mueller is blue empire.
Interesting. Do you have links about that? In simple terms, who are the red and blue empires?
On 2018-09-13 01:14, Mirimir wrote:
Interesting. Do you have links about that? In simple terms, who are the red and blue empires?
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/08/secret-of-anti-americanism/
Basically, after the Soviet Union collapsed, the US military was looking for someone/something else to fight.
a Pearl Harbor sort of scenario.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory
-------- Original message --------From: grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> Date: 10/1/18 10:55 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: latest false flag attack?
Basically, after the Soviet Union collapsed, the US military was looking for someone/something else to fight.
a Pearl Harbor sort of scenario.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory * You mean like this? The CIA's MEK attacks the Iranian consulate in Basra Iraq and the state department says they're shuttering the US consulate there because "Iran Threat"? Pucker up your sphincter for a war on Iran. Did I mention Russia cares about Iran a whole lot more than Syria? My point here is y' all are living in the past while the world burns now. http://mek-iran.com/2018/09/09/iraqi-protesters-set-fire-to-iranian-regime-c... Rr
Steve Kinney wrote: On 09/07/2018 06:57 PM, juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
No point in betting on the United States staging another gas attack inSyria and blaming the Syrian government. On the one hand, nobody who knows this has already happened several times will bet against it. On
the other hand, nobody who denies that this ever happened will pay off when it does, because they will "know" it didn't. But but MERICA! You shifted the focus away from MERICA! Rr
On Fri, Sep 07, 2018 at 07:57:19PM -0300, Juan wrote:
it's been a while since the US military nazis, the wall street bankers, other amerikan humanitarians and US empire vassal states have carried their last false flag attack? A new one is overdue?
Is there any betting on it? =)
So in hindsight, Russia just recently did an Idlib deal with Turkey, forestalling the well documented latest "chemical attack, think of the children in Idlib" video by the "White Helmets". re 9/11, the jury's in: Ron Unz: The Case That 9/11 Was an Israeli Attack on the US Is 'Overwhelmingly Strong' https://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=3a62162bca&e=5110f4b440
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