Re: You need to update your Flattr account
Please kindly screw off with your KYC garbage. It is not true that it is necessary EU-wide as a result of whatever payment system you have adopted. Secondly, there are alternatives for the users so (use of some decentralized virtual currency options) wouldn't necessitate what you are proposing even in countries where you might be faced with it. Flattr is wrong. Flattr is fail. I will not be updating the account nor agreeing to its new terms. Flattr is now being ridiculous. Goodbye. -Odinn cc: cypherpunks
***************************************** Hi AnonyOdinn *****************************************
As we are changing payment providers your account needs to be updated. Before July 15th, 2014 you need to:
- Update your account details and agree to our new terms: https://flattr.com/settings
If not your account will be disabled after the 15th of July.
You can read our new terms at https://flattr.com/terms You can read more about this on our blog, http://blog.flattr.net/2014/05/time-to-update-your-account/ We also answered the most common questions, http://blog.flattr.net/2014/07/4-questions-about-flattr-mangopay/
Kind regards The people at Flattr
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Odinn Cyberguerrilla <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net> wrote:
... there are alternatives for the users so (use of some decentralized virtual currency options) wouldn't necessitate what you are proposing even in countries where you might be faced with it. Flattr is wrong. Flattr is fail.
sounds like they are also incompetent: """ 4. Flattr has abandoned Bitcoin funding because of “technical issues”. Can you be more specific? What was the exact problem? Was Bitcoin used at all ? The payment provider had a window of payment of 15 minutes, too many transactions did not arrive during this time and gave us way to many technical issues and admin overhead. Not to say unhappy customers. Bitcoin was used, but it was just a few % of the money added to the system each month. Meaning the problems it caused could not be justified economically. """
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Odinn Cyberguerrilla <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net> wrote:
... there are alternatives for the users so (use of some decentralized virtual currency options) wouldn't necessitate what you are proposing even in countries where you might be faced with it. Flattr is wrong. Flattr is fail.
sounds like they are also incompetent: """ 4. Flattr has abandoned Bitcoin funding because of “technical issues”. Can you be more specific? What was the exact problem? Was Bitcoin used at all ?
The payment provider had a window of payment of 15 minutes, too many transactions did not arrive during this time and gave us way to many technical issues and admin overhead. Not to say unhappy customers. Bitcoin was used, but it was just a few % of the money added to the system each month. Meaning the problems it caused could not be justified economically. """
Flattr once accepted bitcoin, but their process for adding it was so ridiculous and arcane that I abandoned trying. I was once sent an e-mail by one of the Flattr group convincing me that they had integrated bitcoin into their system, it was nearly impossible to find when it was present and their chosen implementation / location of links, buttons, and other wizardry that was supposed to take you there was basically their elaborate way of trying to mask that they had ever offered support for bitcoin. Flattr is a joke. Also, the notion that their use of decentralized virtual currency systems cannot be justified economically (while they leap into the embracy of KYC "compliance") is just basically statism on steroids. Total fail. Next they'll be explaining that due to the implementation of TISA they will "be forced" to obtain users' birth identities from banks around the world prior to doing business with anyone. In all seriousness, I think Flattr makes the argument in favor of moving completely away from web-based services and systems, including banks that use anything that connects to the customer through a website, for example. But basically, fuck Flattr. I am done.
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