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On Jul 2, 2016 4:16 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
No country deserves respect and some countries are way more
despicable than others. US ranks first. I love countries and their cultures, my dear. Unhappily, there are frontiers among all the countries.
It's funny. You got the american treatment in the tor mailing
list. You saw what kind of garbage the boyces and the quinns posted here. And you are still making excuses for "the land of the free"?
Something is very wrong.
I admiss I didn't like Boyce, Dani Moth, Quinn and Ted's messages, but I am not "making excuses" for their country, Juan. Ted was the most aggressive of all and I think he was talking only about Zenaan and you, but he seems _a lot_ the kind of guy who shoots in someone's head saying that some people "deserves" it for being different. I was really shocked after reading his messages. Boyce's act of banning was disgusting, but what really upset me was the "rape apology" stuff. It was completely unnecessary and pretty sick knowing my past and details of my present. But, well, everybody knows his ego is much bigger than his intelligence. He is an intelligent guy, but is very pretentious. It always was usual inside Tor Project core team. He follows their patterns. In that occasion, I admiss I hoped sincerely that Boyce and Dani Moth were raped twice each one, because only a person who _really_ was raped can be completely sure that making "rape apology" always will be impossible for me. I love sex. Rape is not sex, it is violence, fury, torture. It's dark. It is to feel a dark and deep fear of death. Usually, I don't feel fear of death. It is the only certainty in this uncertain life. I swear I felt the same desperate fear of death when I was raped. Nobody deserves to feel this kind of despair. I was angry in that occasion and I sincerely apologize for wishing something so cruel for Boyce and Dani. I regret it a lot and ask pardon for being like them. It is not correct at all. Quinn is intolerant and has narrow patterns of decency, but he is a good person and I like him, Juan. You are not exactly tolerant and open-minded too, haha!! ;D
[Cecilia] It would not be rational to hate USA for killing my family.
"a 2015 Pew Research Center survey finds that the share of Americans who believe the use of nuclear weapons was justified is now 56%, with 34% saying it was not. "
Sorry, I don't believe in all researches because I have lots of researchers as friends and colleagues and I was a researcher in several moments of my life too, my dear Juan. And you know, I am terribly hard headed like you, haha!! ;D http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-reason-america-used-nuclear-weapons-ag... It was a political decision, not military, Juan. In all the countries, in all the places, the problem is the government, not the people. Few stupid and cruel politicians killed my family, not the North American people. There are lots of infinitely sad ghosts stories in Hiroshima. Shadows and eternal crying... I sincerely hope these sad ghosts haunt all the cruel politicians who decided to play with human lives. My migraine is still killing me and my mood is really bad. I don't like drugs, but tried a lots of medicines for pain in last days. My hard head and I think they didn't work, haha!! ;D I bet you will feel envy now, Juan. Coconut ice cream and sweet corn ice cream, nom nom... Trying usual food will be a disaster. Ice cream is a good choice when feeling sick. My mood will be better soon, hihi... <3 I was thinking about lemon and ginger popsicles, much better for sickness, but they had only creamy ice creams now. So, I will make tea. Hot and cold together, hihi... <3 You are a good person, my dear Juan. I was wrong about Razer and you being a couple in love. Now I hope you, Razer and Mirimir can make a lovely ménage à trois and being happy forever, hahaha!!! ;D Nope, I am sick and you are too far to kick my butt like a soccer ball... and Messi is not playing anymore, hahaha!! ;D
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:00:07 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 2016 4:16 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
No country deserves respect and some countries are way more
despicable than others. US ranks first.
I love countries and their cultures, my dear. Unhappily, there are frontiers among all the countries.
And yet you can't have countries if you don't have murdering governments and the borders they create. Countries can only exist when you have borders between them. And the pro government assholes, of course.
I admiss I didn't like Boyce, Dani Moth, Quinn and Ted's messages, but I am not "making excuses" for their country, Juan.
You aren't? But a country like the US wouldn't exist without scumbags like the ted smiths, boyces, quinns, that psycho steven, the syversons and his lapdogs.
Quinn is intolerant and has narrow patterns of decency, but he is a good person and I like him, Juan.
You are seriously fucked up then. Did you actually understand what the scumbag was proposing? I'll assume the answer is "yes".
You are not exactly tolerant and open-minded too, haha!! ;D
That comes from you, who support the US nazis? Ha ha.
[Cecilia] It would not be rational to hate USA for killing my family.
"a 2015 Pew Research Center survey finds that the share of Americans who believe the use of nuclear weapons was justified is now 56%, with 34% saying it was not. "
Sorry, I don't believe in all researches because I have lots of researchers as friends and colleagues and I was a researcher in several moments of my life too
So? You know they are all dishonest, including yourself?
On Jul 3, 2016 4:06 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
[Cecilia] I admiss I didn't like Boyce, Dani Moth, Quinn and Ted's
messages, but I am not "making excuses" for their country, Juan.
You aren't? But a country like the US wouldn't exist without
scumbags like the ted smiths, boyces, quinns, that psycho steven, the syversons and his lapdogs. Juan, my dear, US already have lots of people making excuses for them and being well paid for it. Don't worry, I won't waste my time with it. I simply told you what I think about countries, governments and people. The same way there are lots of awesome persons in all the countries, there are lots of bad persons ("scumbags"?) in all the countries too. (Sorry, I still don't know exactly what "scumbag" means, because there are several bizarre definitions in Brazilian posts ("gentalha"? wtf?), but probably there are lots of scumbags in all the places, haha!!)
[Cecilia] Quinn is intolerant and has narrow patterns of decency, but he is a good person and I like him, Juan.
You are seriously fucked up then.
Well, I am sure Quinn thinks exactly the same thing all the times when I say I like you in public, my dear Juan... hihi... ;)
[Cecilia] You are not exactly tolerant and open-minded too, haha!! ;D
That comes from you, who support the US nazis? Ha ha.
I never said that I am tolerant and open-minded, Juan. Sorry if you felt offended with my words. I don't support any kind of 'nazis'. Radical people are extremely boring.
[Cecilia] Sorry, I don't believe in all researches because I have lots of researchers as friends and colleagues and I was a researcher in several moments of my life too
So? You know they are all dishonest, including yourself?
Hmm... Sorry, after talking about deaths, wars and rapes, I confess I was thinking only in Portuguese. Always is the most comfortable language for me. Pardon, reading now what wrote yesterday, there are more mistakes and I didn't write some words when talking about the rapes. Both made me feel the same way, the same deep panic of death, the same smell of fear. Sorry for it. "Eu não acredito em todas as pesquisas" here doesn't mean necessarily that I really do _not_ believe in _all_ researches. If I really wouldn't believe in all researches, in Portuguese, I would use 'double negative', what doesn't exist in English, sorry. I would say "Eu não acredito em nenhuma pesquisa", Juan. I simply translated - literally - what I thought in that moment and doesn't make sense in English, sorry. I was trying to say that not necessarily I believe in all researches, that I don't believe in some of them... Does it sound better now or should I try again? :P
On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:59:37 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
[Cecilia] Quinn is intolerant and has narrow patterns of decency, but he is a good person and I like him, Juan.
You are seriously fucked up then.
Well, I am sure Quinn thinks exactly the same thing all the times when I say I like you in public, my dear Juan... hihi... ;)
You are digging yourself deeper =) My position is radically different to that of quinn and his mob and yet you think we are both 'likeable'? Your opinions here are absurd. Not to mention, again, that you think that a totalitarian piece of shit like quinn is a good guy. Since you believe that, your moral judgements are a bad joke...which shows what you really stand for.
[Cecilia] You are not exactly tolerant and open-minded too, haha!! ;D
That comes from you, who support the US nazis? Ha ha.
I never said that I am tolerant and open-minded, Juan.
Fine. I'm not tolerant either. I don't tolerate stupidity and evil intentions or acts. As to being 'open minded', again, I'm certainly not open minded to stupidity. Being 'open minded' to stupidity is hardly a virtue.
Sorry if you felt offended with my words. I don't support any kind of 'nazis'. Radical people are extremely boring.
Not sure who you are calling radical? The nazis? The problem with the nazis were not that they were radicals. Or that they were 'boring'...
[Cecilia] Sorry, I don't believe in all researches because I have lots of researchers as friends and colleagues and I was a researcher in several moments of my life too
So? You know they are all dishonest, including yourself?
"Eu não acredito em todas as pesquisas" here doesn't mean necessarily that I really do _not_ believe in _all_ researches. If I really wouldn't believe in all researches, in Portuguese, I would use 'double negative', what doesn't exist in English, sorry. I would say "Eu não acredito em nenhuma pesquisa", Juan. I simply translated - literally - what I thought in that moment and doesn't make sense in English, sorry.
I don't think your explanation changes anything. You want to ignore this particular poll because it doesn't paint the americunts in a good light. But the poll is completely consistent with americunt 'culture'. If anything the real numbers are prolly higher.
I was trying to say that not necessarily I believe in all researches, that I don't believe in some of them... Does it sound better now or should I try again? :P
No need. You won't get anywhere =)
On Jul 3, 2016 7:51 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
My position is radically different to that of quinn and his mob
and yet you think we are both 'likeable'? Your opinions here are absurd. Juan, you and Quinn are not my friends, but I appreciate both. Certainly not enough to invite you to visit my house or to borrow money and books, but I like you both. :) A fool example, I have friends who believe in God in a blind way and also extremely Atheists friends. They are good persons and I sincerely respect all of them. They have different personal beliefs, but they all have good character and are intelligent.
Not to mention, again, that you think that a totalitarian piece
of shit like quinn is a good guy. Since you believe that, your moral judgements are a bad joke...which shows what you really stand for. He is a good person. Too moralist and intollerant for being my friend, but he is a good person. You are a good person, but very aggressive in some moments and pretty intollerant too. Uff... Juan, you seem to know more about me than myself to judge me so bad in all the moments. Please, what do I really stand for?
Fine. I'm not tolerant either. I don't tolerate stupidity and
[Cecilia] Sorry if you felt offended with my words. I don't support any kind of 'nazis'. Radical people are extremely boring.
Not sure who you are calling radical? The nazis? The problem with
evil intentions or acts. As to being 'open minded', again, I'm certainly not open minded to stupidity. Being 'open minded' to stupidity is hardly a virtue. Juan, if I show you some truth and you don't like it, you simply will say it is stupidity because you are too proud and hard headed for admissing when are wrong. the nazis were not that they were radicals. Or that they were 'boring'... I was not talking about nazism, only about extremely radical people: feminazis, vegan nazis, econazis, etc. Sorry, at least for me, radical people are always boring and/or annoing.
I don't think your explanation changes anything. You want to
ignore this particular poll because it doesn't paint the americunts in a good light. But the poll is completely consistent with americunt 'culture'. If anything the real numbers are prolly higher. Juan, it hurts me a lot because it is a pool about my family's death, not because "doesn't paint the americans in a good light". It would hurt me the same if it was a pool about French people opinion, if it was a pool about Chinese people opinion... The problem is thinking about people saying that it was correct to use nuclear weapons to kill people. And, please, always remember that laws, sausages and researches are not made in a beautiful way. I don't trust in all researchers that I've knowed. I already saw some serious frauds in works and books.
On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 21:50:41 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 2016 7:51 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
My position is radically different to that of quinn and his mob
and yet you think we are both 'likeable'? Your opinions here are absurd.
Juan, you and Quinn are not my friends, but I appreciate both.
You don't know anything about me, apart from the political comments I've made here. Same thing for quinn. All we know about him is that he's a totalitarian american shitbag. Whatever your personal connection to him is, (if any) it's irrelevant here. It is absurd for you to conclude that I'm a 'good' person and that quinn is a 'good' person too, since we represent completely opposed views of what 'good' means. Is this so hard to grasp?
Certainly not enough to invite you to visit my house or to borrow money and books, but I like you both. :)
A fool example, I have friends who believe in God in a blind way and also extremely Atheists friends. They are good persons and I sincerely respect all of them.
'Religious' liars are not good persons. Lying is not good. It's becoming clear that 'good' doesn't really mean anything to you.
They have different personal beliefs, but they all have good character and are intelligent.
Not to mention, again, that you think that a totalitarian piece
of shit like quinn is a good guy. Since you believe that, your moral judgements are a bad joke...which shows what you really stand for.
He is a good person. Too moralist and intollerant for being my friend, but he is a good person.
OK. "Good" means nothing to you.
You are a good person, but very aggressive in some moments and pretty intollerant too.
Tell me Cecilia, is it OK for governments to exist? You know, the 'good' utopian governments that do stuff that you think is 'good', like, I don't know 'free' schooling for poor children. If I recall correctly you said you are not an anarchist, but I'm making sure...before pointing out that you are in no position to call me 'aggressive' or 'intolerant'.
Uff... Juan, you seem to know more about me than myself to judge me so bad in all the moments. Please, what do I really stand for?
See the stuff you posted and my comments...
Fine. I'm not tolerant either. I don't tolerate stupidity and
evil intentions or acts. As to being 'open minded', again, I'm certainly not open minded to stupidity. Being 'open minded' to stupidity is hardly a virtue.
Juan, if I show you some truth and you don't like it, you simply will say it is stupidity because you are too proud and hard headed for admissing when are wrong.
What am I wrong about?
I was not talking about nazism, only about extremely radical people: feminazis, vegan nazis, econazis, etc. Sorry, at least for me, radical people are always boring and/or annoing.
OK - and the relevance here is? Or was that just one more random and irrelevant thought?
I don't think your explanation changes anything. You want to
ignore this particular poll because it doesn't paint the americunts in a good light. But the poll is completely consistent with americunt 'culture'. If anything the real numbers are prolly higher.
Juan, it hurts me a lot because it is a pool about my family's death,
It's not just about your family. It about the fact that TODAY there are lots of people who support that kind of attrocity.
not because "doesn't paint the americans in a good light". It would hurt me the same if it was a pool about French people opinion, if it was a pool about Chinese people opinion... The problem is thinking about people saying that it was correct to use nuclear weapons to kill people.
The ones who are saying it are the americans. So tell me again about how good countries are and how much respect they deserve?
And, please, always remember that laws, sausages and researches are not made in a beautiful way. I don't trust in all researchers that I've knowed. I already saw some serious frauds in works and books.
On Jul 3, 2016 10:33 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
You don't know anything about me, apart from the political
comments I've made here. Same thing for quinn. All we know about him is that he's a totalitarian american shitbag. Whatever your personal connection to him is, (if any) it's irrelevant here. Why are you so sure about it, my dear Juan? You never will know exactly what I know, hihi... Nobody can know _exactly_ what another person knows. Never forget it, my dear. :-)
It is absurd for you to conclude that I'm a 'good' person and
that quinn is a 'good' person too, since we represent completely opposed views of what 'good' means.
Is this so hard to grasp?
My dear Juan, I am talking about MY subjetive impressions about persons in general. Why can't you accept that I don't think exactly what you want I think? :((( Is it so offensive for you if I have my own opinion and it is different than yours? Why are you trying to impose me your opinion like a dictator? :((( Please, you say to be an 'anarchist', so be coherent. You say I am a 'retard', but I am an honest retard and you are not being honest, if you really are an anarchist. I didn't try to impose you my opinion. I simply told you what I think about you, and people, and about countries, wars, whatever... I never said my words are an 'absolute truth' or that I never will be wrong...
'Religious' liars are not good persons. Lying is not good.
Hey! Don't you respect a person's beliefs? Why do you think a religious person is a liar? :P Not necessarily. Even using Math or Physics, nobody can prove the existence or not of a God (or Gods, or Godess, or Godesses, whatever). If God exists, it is not a lie. There are several religions and holy books, but there is not an unambiguous, definitive interpretation of God, Juan. Sincerely? I don't trust religions and holy books, but I tried to study lots and lots of possibilities when younger. Reviews? Always is about love. Trying to be a good person and avoiding to be a bad person is enough. (I am not talking about being a 'saint' or something similar. Just avoiding to be a son of a b¡tch is enough and God and/or the people will sincerely appreciate your efforts! :-) I know, infinitely subjetive points of view, different backgrounds and ways of being, etc, etc... Part of world's beauty is how different can be the persons. Some people explode cities using nuclear weapons, some people try to build a whole new world... :-)
OK. "Good" means nothing to you.
Oh, good! hihi... :-)
Tell me Cecilia, is it OK for governments to exist? You know, the
'good' utopian governments that do stuff that you think is 'good', like, I don't know 'free' schooling for poor children. You already know what I think about governments. I don't support them.
If I recall correctly you said you are not an anarchist, but I'm
making sure...before pointing out that you are in no position to call me 'aggressive' or 'intolerant'. Only limited and/or stupid people respect labels. A person is much more than empty labels. Persons are their acts, their thoughts, their words, not the labels they like to use in society. If you want to use the "anarchist" label, the problem is yours, not mine. I hate governments, but I really think it is very limited to say "Oh, I am anarchist". Instead just talking about being a proud anarchist in lists, mimimi mimimi, do something real to destroy governments. "Talking is cheap, show me the code", do you remember? I am doing my part instead consider myself an anarchist. I only make jokes using 'vegan' and 'veggie' labels to explain that I don't eat meat and I don't like to kill animals, because the people really have serious problems to understand my reasons and it is easier to use a stupid already knowed label than spending time explaining all my actions. Nobody seems to care enough to see my acts, they just want to know my labels and judge them. Sorry, if I need to say "Oh, Juan, I am anarchist" to be accepted for you, we never will be friends. See my actions and who I am instead trying to impose your opinion with offenses. :P
What am I wrong about?
Uff... God, I didn't say you are wrong. It was an hypothesis. Please, think instead being so defensive.
OK - and the relevance here is? Or was that just one more random
and irrelevant thought? I was answering to your comment, Juan. Please, read again what you wrote before. My thoughts are so 'irrelevant' as yours. Or do you *really* think that everything you wrote is relevant for someone? Sorry, the world doesn't work this way! :-) Believe me, nobody says only 'relevant' things. First of all, because 'relevance' is pretty subjective. An important thing for me not necessarily will be relevant for me, and vice versa.
The ones who are saying it are the americans.
So tell me again about how good countries are and how much
respect they deserve? Uff... Juan, did you really read what I wrote before? I am too lazy to repeat everything again! :((( Sorry, I will stop to spend your time and also mine, Juan. Believe me, we both will be banned again if we make an infinite discussion here and I certainly will win in the end. I am not saying that I am right. I am just saying I will win at the end. Remember: I can do the same things that you, and wearing high heels, make up and dress. And I am much more 'troll' and 'hard headed' than you can be in this life and in all next lives, if they exist, hihi! :D I can be more boring and repetitive than you, my dear Juan, and I am Brazilian. Our national motto is "I am Brazilian and I never give up" ("Eu sou brasileiro/a e não desisto nunca"), hahaha!!! ;D Have a lovely night and sweet dreams, my dear! Try the serotonin and endorphins thing! Your body will thank you! <3 Cecilia PS: - You are a _without fuck¡ng_ boring and grumpy old sir, but I still like you, Juan. A bit less, but I still would give you a cupuaçu popsicle! You can't stop my affection, la la la... My feelings are mine, not yours, hahaha!! #singing #lalala ;D Yep, I know I am a _with fuck¡ng_ boring and grumpy old lady! #ProudTroll :))))
On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 01:23:36AM -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
There are several religions and holy books, but there is not an unambiguous, definitive interpretation of God, Juan. Sincerely? I don't trust religions and holy books, but I tried to study lots and lots of possibilities when younger. Reviews? Always is about love. Trying to be a good person and avoiding to be a bad person is enough.
Problem is, most religions have bits about love thy neighbour, but also how here and there "God" calls upon "his" "subjects" to sacrifice a son for example, or to "cut off the head of the unbelievers [of this particular religion]" for example. So perhaps "every religion" has some proclamation to love thy neighbour, I don't know, cannot vouch for that, but this is not enough to make an assessment of a religion and whether those who subscribe to that particular dogma are likely or not to kill me, and or my family, and or my friends. Even if a religion is "the religion of peace" or says "love thy neighbour" does not mean there are not other beliefs written in that religion's holy books, which call upon the believers to commit evil crimes. Yes it's good to focus on the love. But for survival, sometimes we must focus on the evil, just so much so that we can protect ourselves. If we don't do this, we are in denial of reality of religions, and also, sadly, of humans..
Part of world's beauty is how different can be the persons. Some people explode cities using nuclear weapons, some people try to build a whole new world... :-)
Yes, from an artistic point of view, exploding a city could be seen as a "beautiful thing". I won't use those terms together in that way, and I think doing so often causes conversational contention of no benefit. Contention can be useful, but not when we end up disputing "artistic" or "obviously fallacious" points...
What am I wrong about?
Uff... God, I didn't say you are wrong. It was an hypothesis. Please, think instead being so defensive.
This is very useful type of communication. No point we waste time running down rabbit holes for no benefit :) Love y'all
On Jul 4, 2016 2:45 AM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
[Cecilia] Part of world's beauty is how different can be the persons.
Some people explode cities using nuclear weapons, some people try to build a whole new world... :-)
Yes, from an artistic point of view, exploding a city could be seen as a
"beautiful thing". I never said that exploding a city is a "beautiful thing". I was not talking about art, just about human nature. Contrasts between destruction and creation. Sorry, I will leave the thread or I will spend millions of words to say the obvious in an absolutely not polite way. After telling that half of my family was killed because the city they used to live was destroied, I think it is pretty hard to see a city exploding and people dying under "an artistic point of view".
On 07/04/2016 12:03 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Jul 4, 2016 2:45 AM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
[Cecilia] Part of world's beauty is how different can be the persons.
Some people explode cities using nuclear weapons, some people try to build a whole new world... :-)
Yes, from an artistic point of view, exploding a city could be seen as a
"beautiful thing".
No, what's beautiful is human diversity, the flexibility, the freedom to choose, etc, etc.
I never said that exploding a city is a "beautiful thing". I was not talking about art, just about human nature. Contrasts between destruction and creation.
Sorry, I will leave the thread or I will spend millions of words to say the obvious in an absolutely not polite way.
After telling that half of my family was killed because the city they used to live was destroied, I think it is pretty hard to see a city exploding and people dying under "an artistic point of view".
I highly recommend _To Hell and Back: The Last Train from Hiroshima_ by Charles Pellegrino.[0] [0] https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/charles-pellegrino/to-hell-and-ba...
2016-07-04 8:35 GMT+03:00 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>: Yes it's good to focus on the love. But for survival, sometimes we must focus on the evil, just so much so that we can protect ourselves.
Bingo, Zen! Well expressed.
Another small demonstration and win to go with videos of same... http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/03/tobey.pdf http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/112230.P.pdf
On Jul 3, 2016 7:42 PM, "grarpamp" <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Another small demonstration and win to go with videos of same... http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/03/tobey.pdf http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/112230.P.pdf
Being sincere, my dear grarpamp, I didn't have courage enough to see the videos that you sent yesterday yet. Yesterday, I was pretty sensitive to sounds and it was a day without music because of my migraine. Today, I confess I had no courage to see videos after reading Lauren's post. I hate violence and injustice and my stomach is pretty weak in some moments. I sent your last message to Lauren and I am copying him in this message, because he can consider interesting your new references and I do love and respect him a lot. Sorry, instead reading about that disgusting crime, today I will finish a book ("When Breath Becomes Air" by Paul Kalanithi; amazing book, but terribly sad!) and cook some comfortable food, because I am still feeling pain... :(((( Tender kisses, thanks for your links!!! <3 Cecilia
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