Hi list, I was wondering if anybody had any information on public secure spaces such as shielded rooms. I would like to index such places, and create motion towards such security being accessible for all people. - Karl, USA
Excellent initiative. Candidates: libraries, toilets, gyms, taxis, subways, buses, airplanes, schools, colleges, offices, factories, farms, deserts, oceans. Banned in all government, military, spy, facilities along with official secrecy. Banned in top level corporate offices and board rooms. Banned in finance, investment, SWIFT, banking. Banned in advertising, public relations, fund-raisers, political campaigns. Banned to leaders, celebrities, the famous, the heroic, award winners. Banned to opinionators, moderators, censors, redactors, media. Banned on cypherpunks except Hettinga who gets what he wants unfettered, unfiltered, uncontaminated. At 06:14 AM 6/23/2016, you wrote:
Hi list,
I was wondering if anybody had any information on public secure spaces such as shielded rooms.
I would like to index such places, and create motion towards such security being accessible for all people.
- Karl, USA
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Hi list,
I was wondering if anybody had any information on public secure spaces such as shielded rooms.
I would like to index such places, and create motion towards such security being accessible for all people.
- Karl, USA
The word "honeypot" comes to mind at once. If "you and yours" did not set up, maintain, and control access to such a space, "secure" does not belong in its name. The presence of the word "public" also raises an eyebrow, as "no security protocol has ever survived contact with end users." Maybe I exaggerate a little. Maybe not. These objections do not rule out the possibility of something useful being accomplished, only point out challenges that will need creative solutions and constant attention. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXbBmGAAoJEECU6c5Xzmuq5SoH/ROrJk0uPqWu/BQPVzqHge01 61xUt2wQ64jcwrlZIzuMUuhjoUkJGraUhkFp+mFbsEZtzEc2SyupO13WGaMKp+5F x2ar5sZP30bXFcOfHBHJPkwEyTYvKH+8Zfox+1H/W3q/JC2jkXfIb03rXxyvwN/S 78R7UrcSu6U36cp/1PXin6wRFMqb2zdWL11YAmcovUGYuym8yFVgXORy67A/0rJ9 W52P21ULnubYkEka9PJG4n7mw7QHkcCQZ7+MUpAOa7dHxl6F/ahJaiciVw3uFgLD a7diJj0rMwiGlI7CskXHsbBvLYGtzDLxX174/AIn7oqyqarSPDlwa85l8pyV2q0= =MG1F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 06/23/2016 01:16 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 06/23/2016 06:14 AM, Karl Semich wrote:
I was wondering if anybody had any information on public secure spaces such as shielded rooms.
I would like to index such places, and create motion towards such security being accessible for all people.
The word "honeypot" comes to mind at once. If "you and yours" did not set up, maintain, and control access to such a space, "secure" does not belong in its name.
The presence of the word "public" also raises an eyebrow, as "no security protocol has ever survived contact with end users."
Maybe I exaggerate a little. Maybe not. These objections do not rule out the possibility of something useful being accomplished, only point out challenges that will need creative solutions and constant attention.
I think that even spaces compromised by only some parties would be helpful to people who have less security otherwise. Similarly, so many people do actually use Tor and other products. Would constant, public logging, during construction and use, be any significant help with such concerns? Sometimes I imagine a space with both private and publicly logged areas, trade-offs for those with different needs. Perhaps an "open-source" approach could help, where any can contribute concerns or improvements for the next go-around?
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Karl Semich <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to index such places, and create motion towards such security being accessible for all people.
Attempting to compile such a list would be laborious and self-defeating. It would invite compromise of the enumerated "secure" locations. It would be more useful to compile characteristics of "secure public spaces", and heuristics for locating them in one's local environs. How can we tell - without special equipment etc - if a given space is monitored? If we land in an unfamiliar city, how can we correctly "guess" where to find a secure public space? On a recent trip I discovered a little 3' x 4' nook in the outside wall of LA's Bonaventure Hotel. Tho adjacent to areas of high pedestrian traffic, the nook was unspied by any cameras. No microphones or other sensors were visible nearby. A blissful respite from the otherwise panoptic surveillance of urban California. In this case we might speculatively take the hotel's Brutalist architecture as the heuristic for finding similar spaces. Although sometimes described as an aesthetically "fascist" style, Brutalist architects loved to create little difficult-to-surveil nooks & crannies in their buildings. Alas many of these spaces have been fenced up by the buildings' current Centrist owners. For example the contemptible disfigurement <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Service_Center_(Boston)#/media/File:Government_Service_Center_Boston_P1000474.JPG> of Boston's magnificent Government Service Center building. What are other heuristics for finding secure less-surveilled spaces?
On 06/23/2016 03:14 AM, Karl Semich wrote:
Hi list,
I was wondering if anybody had any information on public secure spaces such as shielded rooms.
I would like to index such places, and create motion towards such security being accessible for all people.
- Karl, USA
I have Retroshare installed but never use it. Is that what you mean by /"public secure spaces//such as shielded rooms."/?/ / Rr
On 6/23/16, Karl Semich <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering if anybody had any information on public secure spaces such as shielded rooms.
Tech spaces can probably be created anywhere, yet by nature of usability, such tech must be surrounded by the most antithetical of environs. Anymore, even getting to such a facility is insecure. To have secure convo, one must now go away, away from digital, far away, out to nature. Disconnect. Disappear. Become.
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