One of the means that murderous jew marx wanted to use in order to gain absolute power for him and his accomplcies was "Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly." Such banks do exist today of course, and are known as 'central banks'. It easily follows that supporters of central banking are supporters of 'national' communism. Now, what does the orange monkey aka trump cunt say about central banking? "Trump hits the Fed again, says 'small rate cut' is not enough" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/29/trump-hits-the-fed-again-ahead-of-rate-decis... So not only the trmp cunt supports central banking(duh!) but he wants the bank to do as much damage as possible and to steal as much money as possible - money that goes to trump and his cronies, i.e. the governmetn and corporations. ps: and that's just ONE of the many ways in which the trump cunt his robot-followers endorse and support communism.
On August 30, 2019 1:19:58 PM PDT, Punk <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
One of the means that murderous jew marx wanted to use in order to gain absolute power for him and his accomplcies was
"Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly."
There's no such thing a Credit in communist societies. -- Rr Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. (NOT!)
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 02:29:44PM -0700, Razer wrote:
On August 30, 2019 1:19:58 PM PDT, Punk <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
One of the means that murderous jew marx wanted to use in order to gain absolute power for him and his accomplcies was
"Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly."
There's no such thing a Credit in communist societies.
Ahh yes, the old "but we've never seen -true- communism". "Razer", speakin like a true Marxist...
HI ZENAAn -------- Original Message -------- On Aug 31, 2019, 6:18 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 02:29:44PM -0700, Razer wrote:
On August 30, 2019 1:19:58 PM PDT, Punk <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
One of the means that murderous jew marx wanted to use in order to gain absolute power for him and his accomplcies was
"Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly."
There's no such thing a Credit in communist societies.
Ahh yes, the old "but we've never seen -true- communism".
"Razer", speakin like a true Marxist...
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 6:18 PM, Zenaan Harkness<zen@freedbms.net> wrote )Ahh yes, the old "but we've never seen -true- communism". )"Razer", speakin like a true Marxist... It's amazing how many times they have failed to implement "true communism". Jim Bell
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 01:52:46 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's amazing how many times they have failed to implement "true communism".
Here's true communism for you "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; " See? Taxation, also known as theft, to pay for the 'common' 'defence' and 'general welfare' of the 'country'. In a word, communism. I bet ayn rand never taught you about American Communism - The best and most perferct Communism the world has ever known.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 11:37:23PM -0300, Punk wrote:
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 01:52:46 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's amazing how many times they have failed to implement "true communism".
Here's true communism for you
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; "
See? Taxation, also known as theft, to pay for the 'common' 'defence' and 'general welfare' of the 'country'. In a word, communism. I bet ayn rand never taught you about American Communism - The best and most perferct Communism the world has ever known.
Pretty much - except China seems to have done a better, or at least a quicker job of it, once they got rid of certain silly "lay person" notions of communism and went full fascist capitalist communism...
On August 31, 2019 6:52:46 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 6:18 PM, Zenaan Harkness<zen@freedbms.net> wrote )Ahh yes, the old "but we've never seen -true- communism". )"Razer", speakin like a true Marxist...
It's amazing how many times they have failed to implement "true communism".
When the state withers away there's no one to report it and besides you CERTAINLY won't read about it in the NYTimes. For instance, Libya... Libya was a successful direct democracy anarcho-syndicalist dream nation. The most affluent nation in North Africa if not ALL Africa, funding development projects for any AU nation that asked (cutting western businesses entirely out of African Development for the most part...) The workers literally ran the factories and local governments? People's Assemblies. Couldn't have THAT! al-Qaeda and NATO 'fixed' it. Wikipedia: "The Green Book rejects both capitalism and communism, as well as representative democracy. Instead, it proposes a type of direct democracy overseen by the General People's Committee which allows direct political participation for all adult citizens.[7][8] The book states that "Freedom of expression is the natural right of every person, even if they choose to behave irrationally, to express his or her insanity."[9] The Green Book states that freedom of speech is based upon public ownership of book publishers, newspapers, television, and radio stations, on the grounds that private ownership would be undemocratic.[7] A paragraph in the book about abolishing money is similar to a paragraph in Frederick Engels' Principles of Communism.[10] Gaddafi wrote: "The final step is when the new socialist society reaches the stage where profit and money disappear. It is through transforming society into a fully productive society, and through reaching in production a level where the material needs of the members of society are satisfied. On that final stage, profit will automatically disappear and there will be no need for money."[11]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Book_(Muammar_Gaddafi) The book: <https://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/gaddafi/index.htm> Ps. Let me know when your Libertard friend's 'Paradises' aren't feudal throwbacks to the 16th century complete with 21st century Bushmasters to kill each other, and anybody else, off with. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 09:44:43PM -0700, Razer wrote:
On August 31, 2019 6:52:46 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 6:18 PM, Zenaan Harkness<zen@freedbms.net> wrote )Ahh yes, the old "but we've never seen -true- communism". )"Razer", speakin like a true Marxist...
It's amazing how many times they have failed to implement "true communism".
When the state withers away there's no one to report it and besides you CERTAINLY won't read about it in the NYTimes.
If you're suggesting the USSR or China (Cambodia? somewhere else?) implemented "true communism" before "the state withered away" - name the bloody the state!
For instance, Libya... Libya was a successful direct democracy anarcho-syndicalist dream nation. The most affluent nation in North Africa if not ALL Africa, funding development projects for any AU nation that asked (cutting western businesses entirely out of African Development for the most part...) The workers literally ran the factories and local governments? People's Assemblies. Couldn't have THAT! al-Qaeda and NATO 'fixed' it.
IDK enough about Libya to know whether it was "true communism" - AFAICT it was a country lead by, on the whole, a benevolent (if extremely pragmatic/realist) dictator. Sarkozi lied to the benevolent dictator Qaddafi, who unfortunately could not see (((the evil within))) "the glorious West".
Wikipedia: "The Green Book rejects both capitalism and communism, as well as representative democracy. Instead, it proposes a type of direct democracy overseen by the General People's Committee which allows direct political participation for all adult citizens.[7][8]
The book states that "Freedom of expression is the natural right of every person, even if they choose to behave irrationally, to express his or her insanity."[9] The Green Book states that freedom of speech is based upon public ownership of book publishers, newspapers, television, and radio stations, on the grounds that private ownership would be undemocratic.[7]
A paragraph in the book about abolishing money is similar to a paragraph in Frederick Engels' Principles of Communism.[10] Gaddafi wrote: "The final step is when the new socialist society reaches the stage where profit and money disappear. It is through transforming society into a fully productive society, and through reaching in production a level where the material needs of the members of society are satisfied. On that final stage, profit will automatically disappear and there will be no need for money."[11]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Book_(Muammar_Gaddafi)
The book: <https://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/gaddafi/index.htm>
Very interesting indeed. I cannot see Libya as "true communism" though - it was much better characterised as a benevolent dictatorship, and from the sound of these "green book" quotes, Qaddafi perhaps held the intention to head towards "true communism". Can certainly understand why (((TPTB))) had to destroy that one...
Ps. Let me know when your Libertard friend's 'Paradises' aren't feudal throwbacks to the 16th century complete with 21st century Bushmasters to kill each other, and anybody else, off with. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
It's amazing how many times they have failed to implement "true communism".
On 2019-09-01 14:44, Razer wrote:
When the state withers away there's no one to report it and besides you CERTAINLY won't read about it in the NYTimes > For instance, Libya... Libya was a successful direct democracy anarcho-syndicalist dream nation. The most affluent nation in North Africa if not ALL Africa, funding development projects for any AU nation that asked (cutting western businesses entirely out of African Development for the most part...) The workers literally ran the factories and local governments? People's Assemblies. Couldn't have THAT! al-Qaeda and NATO 'fixed' it.
Bloody great posters of Qaddafi all over the place, cult of personality, and the death penalty for using US dollars rather than the worthless government money.
A paragraph in the book about abolishing money is similar to a paragraph in Frederick Engels' Principles of Communism.[10] Gaddafi wrote: "The final step is when the new socialist society reaches the stage where profit and money disappear. It is through transforming society into a fully productive society, and through reaching in production a level where the material needs of the members of society are satisfied. On that final stage, profit will automatically disappear and there will be no need for money."[11]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Book_(Muammar_Gaddafi)
And, in the course of getting there, had to raid black markets, confiscate the money people were using in the black markets, and of course confiscate the goods.
On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 21:44:43 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
When the state withers away
the state never 'withers away' (LMAO!!!) under jew-marx-communism. Real anarchists like bakunin have extensively commented on marxs totalitarianism a long time ago. Check the literature.
On 2019-08-31 4:19 am, Punk wrote:
ps: and that's just ONE of the many ways in which the trump cunt his robot-followers endorse and support communism.
Fixing the monetary system is coup complete problem, one of many Building a border wall was hard - fixing the monetary system will be a lot harder. First have to flatten Harvard with tanks, drop leading progressives from helicopters into the pacific, and ship the rest of them to Alaska. Then we will worry about the monetary system --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 07:23:43AM +0800, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 2019-08-31 4:19 am, Punk wrote:
ps: and that's just ONE of the many ways in which the trump cunt his robot-followers endorse and support communism.
Fixing the monetary system is coup complete problem, one of many
Building a border wall was hard - fixing the monetary system will be a lot harder.
First have to flatten Harvard with tanks, drop leading progressives from helicopters into the pacific, and ship the rest of them to Alaska. Then we will worry about the monetary system
True, the incumbent (((the Federal Reserve Banks))) wields significant power. Any expectation that a sitting USA president can declare its end without massive systemic opposition is farcical. JFK started to print fiats outside of Fed "authority". So did one other US president - the other one that was, similarly, murdered by bullet. Funny that...
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 11:21:44 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 07:23:43AM +0800, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 2019-08-31 4:19 am, Punk wrote:
ps: and that's just ONE of the many ways in which the trump cunt his robot-followers endorse and support communism.
Fixing the monetary system is coup complete problem, one of many
Building a border wall was hard - fixing the monetary system will be a lot harder.
First have to flatten Harvard with tanks, drop leading progressives from helicopters into the pacific, and ship the rest of them to Alaska. Then we will worry about the monetary system
True, the incumbent (((the Federal Reserve Banks))) wields significant power.
Any expectation that a sitting USA president can declare its end without massive systemic opposition is farcical.
What? The only farcical thing here are the supporters of the trump cunt - yourself included. So let me underscore again the fact that the trump cunt is whining because the wall street mafia isn't printing enough money, that is, isn't stealing enough. Stealing from the poor and giving to govcorp, that's what communism is all about. And that's trump's plan. So yeah, trump and the scum who support him like her majesty james donald are the most farcical intellectual frauds one can imagine. Except they are real.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:42:33PM -0300, Punk wrote:
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 11:21:44 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 07:23:43AM +0800, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 2019-08-31 4:19 am, Punk wrote:
ps: and that's just ONE of the many ways in which the trump cunt his robot-followers endorse and support communism.
Fixing the monetary system is coup complete problem, one of many
Building a border wall was hard - fixing the monetary system will be a lot harder.
First have to flatten Harvard with tanks, drop leading progressives from helicopters into the pacific, and ship the rest of them to Alaska. Then we will worry about the monetary system
True, the incumbent (((the Federal Reserve Banks))) wields significant power.
Any expectation that a sitting USA president can declare its end without massive systemic opposition is farcical.
What? The only farcical thing here are the supporters of the trump cunt - yourself included.
So let me underscore again the fact that the trump cunt is whining because the wall street mafia isn't printing enough money, that is, isn't stealing enough. Stealing from the poor and giving to govcorp, that's what communism is all about. And that's trump's plan.
My implied point is that the sooner the current fiat collapse the better - but are we ready either which way?
So yeah, trump and the scum who support him like her majesty james donald are the most farcical intellectual frauds one can imagine. Except they are real.
The Federal Reserve Banks is the incumbent - notwithstanding the unlawful events which lead to the current regime. Being the incumbent, the Fed wants to protect its power, thus JFK. I imagine that Trump does not want to be the third US president murdered by bullet. If we're going to have fiats, they should at least be printed in a way which is not exponential wealth rapage - i.e., everyone who uses such fiats ought share the benefit - at least in principle, digital currencies could provide such a mechanism. Gov printed fiats could potentially provide this type of underlay as well, but not with demonocracy, which is fatally flawed. It would be great to have a mentally competent speaker in a public position "of authority and sway", unfortunately the inglorious West does not have this, and the system of "democracy" pretty much ensures we cannot have this. So from where we are now, how to we get to a better place - this is the eternal question... or, acknowledgment of the present facts on the ground, ought not be taken as an endorsement of the current regime.
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