https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/10/06/1352205/tech-billionaires-are-as... http://www.businessinsider.com/tech-billionaires-want-to-break-humans-out-of... http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/sam-altmans-manifest-destiny https://games.slashdot.org/story/16/06/03/0049258/elon-musk-one-in-billions-... Tech Billionaires Are Asking Scientists For Help To Break Humans Out of Computer Simulation Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of the simulation. The New Yorker recently did a profile about Y Combinator's Sam Altman. In the story, Altman discusses his theories about being controlled by technology and delves into the simulation theory. From an article on The New Yorker: Many people in Silicon Valley have become obsessed with the simulation hypothesis, the argument that what we experience as reality is in fact fabricated in a computer; two tech billionaires have gone so far as to secretly engage scientists to work on breaking us out of the simulation. Business Insider adds: The piece doesn't give any clue as to who those two billionaires are -- although it's easy to hazard a few guesses at who they might be, like Musk himself or Altman's friend Peter Thiel -- but it's fascinating to see how seriously people are taking this theory. According to Musk, it's the most popular topic of conversation right now.Earlier this year, at Code Conference, Elon Musk said there's "one in billions" chance we're not living in a computer simulation.
On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of the simulation. ...
lol, so billionaires are asking to root the virtual machine, get root on the host OS and possibly own the operator too? (this scales) lol
On Oct 7, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of the simulation. ...
lol, so billionaires are asking to root the virtual machine, get root on the host OS and possibly own the operator too? (this scales) lol
And then what ? It's not like there is any chance we would actually be breaking out of the sim into earth prime... if we are in a sim, it's sims all the way down.... I figure it's best to ignore the implications of the simulation hypothesis. There's nothing to be done about it. John
On 10/07/2016 12:35 PM, John Newman wrote:
On Oct 7, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of the simulation. ...
lol, so billionaires are asking to root the virtual machine, get root on the host OS and possibly own the operator too? (this scales) lol
And then what ? It's not like there is any chance we would actually be breaking out of the sim into earth prime... if we are in a sim, it's sims all the way down....
I figure it's best to ignore the implications of the simulation hypothesis. There's nothing to be done about it.
So hey, I'm rereading Egan's _Diaspora_. Synchronicity :) It's macrospheres all the way down.
I figure it's best to ignore the implications of the simulation hypothesis. There's nothing to be done about it.
If I'm understanding you correctly, I find I quite agree, but for perhaps different reasons, because I don't find the implications to be all that difficult. Whether reality is material and we're threatened by cosmic rays, meteors, or the vagaries of war-mongering, hairless apes with nukes, or whether reality is immaterial, and we're at the mercy of a simulation, or some unknowable God, the result is fundamentally the same when you follow it out: There is no safe place in the universe. There is nothing to grab hold of. The more we look for safety, the more danger we will find. The more we try to grab hold of things, the more they will slip away. Death will overtake every living thing, eventually. And so, from this, it doesn't matter the slightest to me if reality is a simulation, or not. For that matter, it doesn't matter in the slightest if a meteor hits. Or if humanity blows itself up with nukes. I'd prefer my other humans decided to play better games than Monopoly, Scrabble, or Chess, but it doesn't really matter one way or the other. We're HERE. NOW - attending a party with some 7 billion or so other people. So, party, and try to make it a FUN party.
On Oct 7, 2016, at 3:29 PM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
I figure it's best to ignore the implications of the simulation hypothesis. There's nothing to be done about it.
If I'm understanding you correctly, I find I quite agree, but for perhaps different reasons, because I don't find the implications to be all that difficult.
Whether reality is material and we're threatened by cosmic rays, meteors, or the vagaries of war-mongering, hairless apes with nukes, or whether reality is immaterial, and we're at the mercy of a simulation, or some unknowable God, the result is fundamentally the same when you follow it out: There is no safe place in the universe. There is nothing to grab hold of. The more we look for safety, the more danger we will find. The more we try to grab hold of things, the more they will slip away. Death will overtake every living thing, eventually.
And so, from this, it doesn't matter the slightest to me if reality is a simulation, or not. For that matter, it doesn't matter in the slightest if a meteor hits. Or if humanity blows itself up with nukes. I'd prefer my other humans decided to play better games than Monopoly, Scrabble, or Chess, but it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
We're HERE. NOW - attending a party with some 7 billion or so other people. So, party, and try to make it a FUN party.
Yes you've stated the case pretty well :) I guess I could restate my original case a little bit: it's best to ignore the implications of the sim theory, because there really are NO implications, assuming a true high fidelity sim. And we haven't observed anything to argue for flaws in the sim.. (oh Christ, I was just reminded of the matrix movies.. *shudder*) So, yeah, party on Garth ;) John
r u the famous mEtaSploit hacker script righter - ge0rgi -------- Original Message -------- On Oct 7, 2016, 11:15 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of the simulation. ...
lol, so billionaires are asking to root the virtual machine, get root on the host OS and possibly own the operator too? (this scales) lol
R u the famous "rooty tooty fresh and fruity" ?? John
On Oct 7, 2016, at 5:46 PM, rooty <arpspoof@protonmail.com> wrote:
r u the famous mEtaSploit hacker script righter - ge0rgi
-------- Original Message -------- On Oct 7, 2016, 11:15 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of the simulation. ...
lol, so billionaires are asking to root the virtual machine, get root on the host OS and possibly own the operator too? (this scales) lol
4 real saw that name on hacker m0dUle - -------- Original Message -------- On Oct 7, 2016, 3:01 PM, John Newman wrote: R u the famous "rooty tooty fresh and fruity" ?? John On Oct 7, 2016, at 5:46 PM, rooty < arpspoof@protonmail.com> wrote: r u the famous mEtaSploit hacker script righter - ge0rgi -------- Original Message -------- On Oct 7, 2016, 11:15 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of the simulation. ...
lol, so billionaires are asking to root the virtual machine, get root on the host OS and possibly own the operator too? (this scales) lol
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:49:35 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people in Silicon Valley have become obsessed with the simulation hypothesis,
the only thing the criminal predators in silicon valley care is how to rape the biggest number of people in the most efficient way. They believe in that kind of 'simulation' nonsense as much as they believe in jesus-shit or the FSM.
the argument that what we experience as reality is in fact fabricated in a computer; two tech billionaires have gone so far as to secretly engage scientists to work on breaking us out of the simulation. Business Insider adds: The piece doesn't give any clue as to who those two billionaires are -- although it's easy to hazard a few guesses at who they might be, like Musk himself or Altman's friend Peter Thiel -- but it's fascinating to see how seriously people are taking this theory. According to Musk, it's the most popular topic of conversation right now.Earlier this year, at Code Conference, Elon Musk said there's "one in billions" chance we're not living in a computer simulation.
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