-------- Original Message -------- From: Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net> Apparently from: cypherpunks-bounces@cpunks.org To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Multiple Internets] Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:02:57 -0500
I'm a little skeptical of wireless mesh networks as a general solution to this sort of problem, because they're inherently chatty, and have very limited reach.
Wireless meshes are usually short range but there is no architectural reason they can't be linked by LoS or even longer distances connections. One area familiar to hams in the VHF/UHF bands is troposcatter. Tropo is similar to the more common HF phenomenon ionospheric reflection ("skip") but instead uses refraction changes in lower layers of the atmosphere due to temperature/density differences. Tropo is shorter range (generally 100-500 km) than skip and less RF efficient but tends to be more reliable and because it operates using much higher frequencies can support much higher bandwidth (data rates). All the VHF/UHF ham bands and several unlicensed bands (900 MHz, U.S. only), 2.4 GHz and 5.7 GHz can all support tropo though reflection efficiency tends to be greatest at the lower frequencies. Until the advent of satellites tropo use was widespread by commercial and military. Now that anti-satellite tech is becoming more widespread (e.g., recent Chinese launches) tropo is again being investigated http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2013/07/army-troposcatter-communic... I'm considering tropo experiments in one of the ham or ISM bands. Please PM if you might have SDR or RF skills, time and some money to throw toward this. Speaking of skip, in my PP Hacker Conference slides http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=03580328025747098705 I discuss a variant, NVIS (Near Vertical Incident Skywave), first developed by the Germans during WW II, which allows HF stations operating between 2 - 12 MHz to bounce signals off the ionosphere for intermediate rage (25-100 km) non-LoS communications. WW
ooooo interesting WW - thanks much F2C2012: Eben Moglen keynote - "Innovation under Austerity" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2VHf5vpBy8 some fucking arrogant shit but some info as well On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:36 AM, <wirelesswarrior@safe-mail.net> wrote:
-------- Original Message -------- From: Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net> Apparently from: cypherpunks-bounces@cpunks.org To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Multiple Internets] Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:02:57 -0500
I'm a little skeptical of wireless mesh networks as a general solution to this sort of problem, because they're inherently chatty, and have very limited reach.
Wireless meshes are usually short range but there is no architectural reason they can't be linked by LoS or even longer distances connections. One area familiar to hams in the VHF/UHF bands is troposcatter. Tropo is similar to the more common HF phenomenon ionospheric reflection ("skip") but instead uses refraction changes in lower layers of the atmosphere due to temperature/density differences.
Tropo is shorter range (generally 100-500 km) than skip and less RF efficient but tends to be more reliable and because it operates using much higher frequencies can support much higher bandwidth (data rates). All the VHF/UHF ham bands and several unlicensed bands (900 MHz, U.S. only), 2.4 GHz and 5.7 GHz can all support tropo though reflection efficiency tends to be greatest at the lower frequencies.
Until the advent of satellites tropo use was widespread by commercial and military. Now that anti-satellite tech is becoming more widespread (e.g., recent Chinese launches) tropo is again being investigated http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2013/07/army-troposcatter-communic... I'm considering tropo experiments in one of the ham or ISM bands. Please PM if you might have SDR or RF skills, time and some money to throw toward this.
Speaking of skip, in my PP Hacker Conference slides http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=03580328025747098705 I discuss a variant, NVIS (Near Vertical Incident Skywave), first developed by the Germans during WW II, which allows HF stations operating between 2 - 12 MHz to bounce signals off the ionosphere for intermediate rage (25-100 km) non-LoS communications.
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On 2/20/16, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
ooooo interesting WW - thanks much
F2C2012: Eben Moglen keynote - "Innovation under Austerity"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2VHf5vpBy8
some fucking arrogant shit but some info as well
Just as well y'all have mah incredibly, gob-smackingly humble self to balance it all out now yo... :D
On 2/20/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 2/20/16, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
ooooo interesting WW - thanks much
F2C2012: Eben Moglen keynote - "Innovation under Austerity"
Awesome insights from Eben. Here's a very rough summary: Summary: - disintermediation - make it all open, universal access to hack, read, learn, experiment, and share - libre software, the commons and the licenses that facilitate this commons, underlies all modern commerce, every major 'recent' corporation - there will never be another commercial encyclopaedia - for the cost of 600km of roads (1000s built every year), every book in every European library can be scanned and made available to all, and they should be - free software is most advanced tech education - anybody anywhere, can get to the state of the art, by downloading, reading, experimental and sharing freely - true computer science, more knowledge for the human race - bulk of human learning was not recent - all knowledge should be universally available, not doing so will stunt further growth and innovation which permits further growth - a social requirement for growth - "copyright bargain" is not an immutable bargain, just a convenience for monetizers, not even relevantly apply to almost all of important human knowledge in most fields - Plato not owned by anybody - what will 21st Centure education systems be like? - 3billion of the 7billion people in the world are children - how many Einsteins or Shakespears do we want to throw away today? - the universalization of the access to knowledge, is today the single most important force available for increasing innovation and human wealth on the planet - nobody should be afraid to advocate for it because someone might shout "copyright!" - this also allows young people to take their economic and professional destinies into their own hands - an absolute requirement for social and political stability in next generation - more jobs outside hierarchies, less jobs inside hierarchies - young people know the rules have changed, its governments that don't - "privacy" means: 1) secrecy - content of a message is obscure to all but its maker and intended recipient 2) anonymity - messages are not obscure, but the points generating and receiving those messages are obscure 3) autonomy - the opportunity to live a life in which the decisions that you make are unaffected by others access to secret or anonymous communications - there's a reason that cities have always been engines of economic growth - not because bankers live there - they live there -because- cities are engines of economic growth (since Sumer), because young people move there to make new ways of being, taking advantage of fact that the city is where you escape the surveillance of the village and the social control of the farm - the city is the historical system for the production of anonymity and the ability to experiment autonomously in ways of living - govts/ "we" are closing this Some great personal historical anecdotes. - We are on the verge of eliminating the human right to be alone, to do your own thinking, in own place, in own way, without anybody knowing - prices, offers, commodities, opportunities, are now being based on the data mining of everything - senior govt official of current administration/govt, said to me after US rules changes of length of time for keeping all info about citizens for whom nothing is suspected, that the "minor" changes in the Ascroft rules, all minor details of those for whom nothing is suspected, will now be kept not for 180 days but for 5 years (an approximation for infinity) - Eben: should we have a law, based on the constitution, for this? Govt official just laughed. Complete despotism. - One of the problems of innovation under conditions of complete despotism - one of the problems of 20th century totalitarianism, is that it eliminates the possibility of free markets and innovation. - the network is an extraordinary platform for social control - USA and China have adopted almost identical points of view/ actions - robust full society network people graph, connecting people to everybody they know, and exhaustive data mining of society, is fundamental govt policy for both governments for "stability maintenance" - we, who understand what's happening, need to be very vocal about this - not just our civil liberties at stake - I shouldn't need to say this, that should be enough, but of course it's not - we need to make clear that the cost, the other part, is the very vitality, vibrancy, of invention, culture and discourse, that wide open, robust, uninhibited public debate that the US Supreme Court so loved in NYT v Sullivan, and that freedom to tinker, invent, be different, non-conformist, for which people have always moved to the cities that gave them anonymity, that gave people a change to experiment with anonymity and to experiment with who they are and what they can do (the loss of this is the cost close to being paid by us all) - this opportunity to experiment anonymously in being, thinking and doing, more than anything else, is what will sustain social vitality and economic growth in 21stCentury - of course there are other reasons, protection for the integrity of the human soul, but that's not govt's concern - precisely for the glory of how we understand civil society that that is NOT govt's concern - precisely our commitment to the idea of individual's development at own pace, and in own way, that has been centerpiece of OUR society's fundamental commitment, that means that protection of the integrity of the human soul is OUR business and NOT govt's business - we must be clear to govt that there is no tension between maintenance of civil liberty in the form of the right to be left alone, and economic policy of securing innovation under austerity - they require the same thing: - free software - free hardware we can hack on - free access to information - right to share freely - free spectrum to communication without "let"? or hindrance - to everyone on earth without regard to the ability to pay, to provide a pathway to an independent ,economic and intellectual life for every young person - we have the tech we need - cheap micro servers - the right software - need to retrofit the first law of robotics into current society, in the next few minutes, or we're cooked - this is CIVIL innovation - must continue the long lifetime of personal computers that everybody can hack on, by using them, needing them, spreading them around - use our own force as consumers and technologists to deprecate closed networks and locked down objects - without clear guidance in public policy, we will remain a tiny minority - 8.3% - innovation under austerity is our battle cry, not for things we care about, but for the things the other people care about, our entree to social policy, and our LAST chance, to do in govt what we've NOT been able to do by attempting to preserve our mere liberties, which have been shamefully abused by our friends in govt as well as by our adversaries - we've been taken to the cleaners with respect to our rights, and with respect to everybody's money - nobody will run in this year's US election on the basis of the restoration of our civil liberties - but they will all talk about austerity and growth, and we must bring our message - this is my first draft, inadequate in many ways, but it's a place to start - if we lose, the night will be very long, and very dark -------------------------------- May be someone can fix up the transcription, and transcribe the question time... Be strong folks, and may you find that which your soul seeks for you.
oooo so nice zenaan thank you whats the story with freedom box these days? On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 2/20/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 2/20/16, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
ooooo interesting WW - thanks much
F2C2012: Eben Moglen keynote - "Innovation under Austerity"
Awesome insights from Eben. Here's a very rough summary:
Summary: - disintermediation
- make it all open, universal access to hack, read, learn, experiment, and share - libre software, the commons and the licenses that facilitate this commons, underlies all modern commerce, every major 'recent' corporation - there will never be another commercial encyclopaedia - for the cost of 600km of roads (1000s built every year), every book in every European library can be scanned and made available to all, and they should be - free software is most advanced tech education - anybody anywhere, can get to the state of the art, by downloading, reading, experimental and sharing freely - true computer science, more knowledge for the human race - bulk of human learning was not recent - all knowledge should be universally available, not doing so will stunt further growth and innovation which permits further growth - a social requirement for growth - "copyright bargain" is not an immutable bargain, just a convenience for monetizers, not even relevantly apply to almost all of important human knowledge in most fields - Plato not owned by anybody
- what will 21st Centure education systems be like? - 3billion of the 7billion people in the world are children - how many Einsteins or Shakespears do we want to throw away today?
- the universalization of the access to knowledge, is today the single most important force available for increasing innovation and human wealth on the planet - nobody should be afraid to advocate for it because someone might shout "copyright!" - this also allows young people to take their economic and professional destinies into their own hands - an absolute requirement for social and political stability in next generation
- more jobs outside hierarchies, less jobs inside hierarchies - young people know the rules have changed, its governments that don't
- "privacy" means: 1) secrecy - content of a message is obscure to all but its maker and intended recipient 2) anonymity - messages are not obscure, but the points generating and receiving those messages are obscure 3) autonomy - the opportunity to live a life in which the decisions that you make are unaffected by others access to secret or anonymous communications
- there's a reason that cities have always been engines of economic growth - not because bankers live there - they live there -because- cities are engines of economic growth (since Sumer), because young people move there to make new ways of being, taking advantage of fact that the city is where you escape the surveillance of the village and the social control of the farm
- the city is the historical system for the production of anonymity and the ability to experiment autonomously in ways of living - govts/ "we" are closing this
Some great personal historical anecdotes.
- We are on the verge of eliminating the human right to be alone, to do your own thinking, in own place, in own way, without anybody knowing
- prices, offers, commodities, opportunities, are now being based on the data mining of everything - senior govt official of current administration/govt, said to me after US rules changes of length of time for keeping all info about citizens for whom nothing is suspected, that the "minor" changes in the Ascroft rules, all minor details of those for whom nothing is suspected, will now be kept not for 180 days but for 5 years (an approximation for infinity) - Eben: should we have a law, based on the constitution, for this? Govt official just laughed. Complete despotism.
- One of the problems of innovation under conditions of complete despotism - one of the problems of 20th century totalitarianism, is that it eliminates the possibility of free markets and innovation. - the network is an extraordinary platform for social control - USA and China have adopted almost identical points of view/ actions - robust full society network people graph, connecting people to everybody they know, and exhaustive data mining of society, is fundamental govt policy for both governments for "stability maintenance"
- we, who understand what's happening, need to be very vocal about this - not just our civil liberties at stake - I shouldn't need to say this, that should be enough, but of course it's not - we need to make clear that the cost, the other part, is the very vitality, vibrancy, of invention, culture and discourse, that wide open, robust, uninhibited public debate that the US Supreme Court so loved in NYT v Sullivan, and that freedom to tinker, invent, be different, non-conformist, for which people have always moved to the cities that gave them anonymity, that gave people a change to experiment with anonymity and to experiment with who they are and what they can do (the loss of this is the cost close to being paid by us all) - this opportunity to experiment anonymously in being, thinking and doing, more than anything else, is what will sustain social vitality and economic growth in 21stCentury - of course there are other reasons, protection for the integrity of the human soul, but that's not govt's concern - precisely for the glory of how we understand civil society that that is NOT govt's concern - precisely our commitment to the idea of individual's development at own pace, and in own way, that has been centerpiece of OUR society's fundamental commitment, that means that protection of the integrity of the human soul is OUR business and NOT govt's business
- we must be clear to govt that there is no tension between maintenance of civil liberty in the form of the right to be left alone, and economic policy of securing innovation under austerity - they require the same thing: - free software - free hardware we can hack on - free access to information - right to share freely - free spectrum to communication without "let"? or hindrance - to everyone on earth without regard to the ability to pay, to provide a pathway to an independent ,economic and intellectual life for every young person
- we have the tech we need - cheap micro servers - the right software - need to retrofit the first law of robotics into current society, in the next few minutes, or we're cooked - this is CIVIL innovation - must continue the long lifetime of personal computers that everybody can hack on, by using them, needing them, spreading them around - use our own force as consumers and technologists to deprecate closed networks and locked down objects - without clear guidance in public policy, we will remain a tiny minority - 8.3%
- innovation under austerity is our battle cry, not for things we care about, but for the things the other people care about, our entree to social policy, and our LAST chance, to do in govt what we've NOT been able to do by attempting to preserve our mere liberties, which have been shamefully abused by our friends in govt as well as by our adversaries - we've been taken to the cleaners with respect to our rights, and with respect to everybody's money - nobody will run in this year's US election on the basis of the restoration of our civil liberties - but they will all talk about austerity and growth, and we must bring our message - this is my first draft, inadequate in many ways, but it's a place to start - if we lose, the night will be very long, and very dark --------------------------------
May be someone can fix up the transcription, and transcribe the question time...
Be strong folks, and may you find that which your soul seeks for you.
-- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is strictly prohibited.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXtS6UcdOMs NSA Surveillance and What To Do About It bruce schneier nice lists in this talk but he has v limited frames for legal structure .... did he really never meet caspar bowden or? he doesnt seem to know that the eu has inset protections for global citizens against the state and only giving a fuck about quantum if it effects his lifetime is super beyond fucked up On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
oooo so nice zenaan thank you
whats the story with freedom box these days?
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 2/20/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 2/20/16, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
ooooo interesting WW - thanks much
F2C2012: Eben Moglen keynote - "Innovation under Austerity"
Awesome insights from Eben. Here's a very rough summary:
Summary: - disintermediation
- make it all open, universal access to hack, read, learn, experiment, and share - libre software, the commons and the licenses that facilitate this commons, underlies all modern commerce, every major 'recent' corporation - there will never be another commercial encyclopaedia - for the cost of 600km of roads (1000s built every year), every book in every European library can be scanned and made available to all, and they should be - free software is most advanced tech education - anybody anywhere, can get to the state of the art, by downloading, reading, experimental and sharing freely - true computer science, more knowledge for the human race - bulk of human learning was not recent - all knowledge should be universally available, not doing so will stunt further growth and innovation which permits further growth - a social requirement for growth - "copyright bargain" is not an immutable bargain, just a convenience for monetizers, not even relevantly apply to almost all of important human knowledge in most fields - Plato not owned by anybody
- what will 21st Centure education systems be like? - 3billion of the 7billion people in the world are children - how many Einsteins or Shakespears do we want to throw away today?
- the universalization of the access to knowledge, is today the single most important force available for increasing innovation and human wealth on the planet - nobody should be afraid to advocate for it because someone might shout "copyright!" - this also allows young people to take their economic and professional destinies into their own hands - an absolute requirement for social and political stability in next generation
- more jobs outside hierarchies, less jobs inside hierarchies - young people know the rules have changed, its governments that don't
- "privacy" means: 1) secrecy - content of a message is obscure to all but its maker and intended recipient 2) anonymity - messages are not obscure, but the points generating and receiving those messages are obscure 3) autonomy - the opportunity to live a life in which the decisions that you make are unaffected by others access to secret or anonymous communications
- there's a reason that cities have always been engines of economic growth - not because bankers live there - they live there -because- cities are engines of economic growth (since Sumer), because young people move there to make new ways of being, taking advantage of fact that the city is where you escape the surveillance of the village and the social control of the farm
- the city is the historical system for the production of anonymity and the ability to experiment autonomously in ways of living - govts/ "we" are closing this
Some great personal historical anecdotes.
- We are on the verge of eliminating the human right to be alone, to do your own thinking, in own place, in own way, without anybody knowing
- prices, offers, commodities, opportunities, are now being based on the data mining of everything - senior govt official of current administration/govt, said to me after US rules changes of length of time for keeping all info about citizens for whom nothing is suspected, that the "minor" changes in the Ascroft rules, all minor details of those for whom nothing is suspected, will now be kept not for 180 days but for 5 years (an approximation for infinity) - Eben: should we have a law, based on the constitution, for this? Govt official just laughed. Complete despotism.
- One of the problems of innovation under conditions of complete despotism - one of the problems of 20th century totalitarianism, is that it eliminates the possibility of free markets and innovation. - the network is an extraordinary platform for social control - USA and China have adopted almost identical points of view/ actions - robust full society network people graph, connecting people to everybody they know, and exhaustive data mining of society, is fundamental govt policy for both governments for "stability maintenance"
- we, who understand what's happening, need to be very vocal about this - not just our civil liberties at stake - I shouldn't need to say this, that should be enough, but of course it's not - we need to make clear that the cost, the other part, is the very vitality, vibrancy, of invention, culture and discourse, that wide open, robust, uninhibited public debate that the US Supreme Court so loved in NYT v Sullivan, and that freedom to tinker, invent, be different, non-conformist, for which people have always moved to the cities that gave them anonymity, that gave people a change to experiment with anonymity and to experiment with who they are and what they can do (the loss of this is the cost close to being paid by us all) - this opportunity to experiment anonymously in being, thinking and doing, more than anything else, is what will sustain social vitality and economic growth in 21stCentury - of course there are other reasons, protection for the integrity of the human soul, but that's not govt's concern - precisely for the glory of how we understand civil society that that is NOT govt's concern - precisely our commitment to the idea of individual's development at own pace, and in own way, that has been centerpiece of OUR society's fundamental commitment, that means that protection of the integrity of the human soul is OUR business and NOT govt's business
- we must be clear to govt that there is no tension between maintenance of civil liberty in the form of the right to be left alone, and economic policy of securing innovation under austerity - they require the same thing: - free software - free hardware we can hack on - free access to information - right to share freely - free spectrum to communication without "let"? or hindrance - to everyone on earth without regard to the ability to pay, to provide a pathway to an independent ,economic and intellectual life for every young person
- we have the tech we need - cheap micro servers - the right software - need to retrofit the first law of robotics into current society, in the next few minutes, or we're cooked - this is CIVIL innovation - must continue the long lifetime of personal computers that everybody can hack on, by using them, needing them, spreading them around - use our own force as consumers and technologists to deprecate closed networks and locked down objects - without clear guidance in public policy, we will remain a tiny minority - 8.3%
- innovation under austerity is our battle cry, not for things we care about, but for the things the other people care about, our entree to social policy, and our LAST chance, to do in govt what we've NOT been able to do by attempting to preserve our mere liberties, which have been shamefully abused by our friends in govt as well as by our adversaries - we've been taken to the cleaners with respect to our rights, and with respect to everybody's money - nobody will run in this year's US election on the basis of the restoration of our civil liberties - but they will all talk about austerity and growth, and we must bring our message - this is my first draft, inadequate in many ways, but it's a place to start - if we lose, the night will be very long, and very dark --------------------------------
May be someone can fix up the transcription, and transcribe the question time...
Be strong folks, and may you find that which your soul seeks for you.
-- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
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On 2/20/16, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
whats the story with freedom box these days?
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