I am just reading that book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-... Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires By Will Black and it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into something evil - also describes the same effects within companies. Does anybody here got other must reads on society or politics?
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:21:58 +0100 Claudia Steimann <claudia.steimann@me.com> wrote:
I am just reading that book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-... Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires By Will Black and it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into something evil -
And what is it? The US state and society were founded as a slave society. The US didn't turn into something evil. It has been evil from the very start. Regardless, I'm curious what the alleged cause for evil is.
also describes the same effects within companies.
Does anybody here got other must reads on society or politics?
From: Claudia Steimann <claudia.steimann@me.com> I am just reading that book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-... cultures and toxic empires By Will Blackand it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into something evil - also describes the same effects within companies. Does anybody here got other must reads on society or politics? I always liked Orwell's 1984 and "Animal Farm." And Atlas Shrugged. Jim Bell
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 6:00 PM, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
I always liked Orwell's 1984 and "Animal Farm." And Atlas Shrugged.
Wow, I didn't know there is a very recent movie about "Who is John Galt?" !! :D https://www.atlasshruggedmovie.com The book "Atlas Shrugged" received the name "Who is John Galt?" in my country. My memories always recall this name before the original, sorry! :P I will always love "1984" and "Animal Farm", but both books gave me several nightmares when I was a kid. Also Fahrenheit 451. I was always dreaming about books being burned...
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Claudia Steimann <claudia.steimann@me.com> wrote: Does anybody here got other must reads on society or politics?
Hi, Claudia! <3 Last year, I received great suggestions of bibliography here, books about politics, sci-fi, crypto, and several different themes, texts and references, in several threads and contexts. You can search them on CypherPunks list archives or, if you have no much patience for searches, the thread "Anarchist Bibliography, please?" was one of the threads where political books and texts were mentioned. I believe it'll be a good starting. https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-August/date.html I received awesome suggestions and kind answers, and I will always be very grateful for all of them. <3 Take care and, please, be happy here. :) Ceci
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I am just reading that book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and- toxic-empires
Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires
By Will Black and it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into something evil - also describes the same effects within companies.
Does anybody here got other must reads on society or politics?
First, a "must read" about reading about society and politics. Intelligence analysts work to penetrate nested sets of deceptive and manipulative information to arrive at "estimates" of the underlying realities, so-called, that these source materials represent. You will not find The Truth because there isn't one. But a well supported, confident estimate provides the means to make effective decisions. There are no unbiased sources /or/ analysts, but we do have ways of improving the work product: http://cryptome.org/2013/01/aaron-swartz/Psychology-of-Intelligence-Anal ysis.pdf =or= http://tinyurl.com/psych-intel According to recent statistics from the OPM and Census Bureau, the Executive and Legislative branches of the U.S. Federal government employ about 10.5 million people, excluding the military services (which are part of the Executive branch). This massive workforce, and the array of contractors they spend trillions of dollars to support, plus private sector advisors and lobbyists, has its own hard wired agendas and institutional inertia. It is called the Deep State. The comparatively tiny handful of elected officials who are somewhat accountable to the public, are boxed in by and highly accountable to the Deep State. I do not believe it is possible to understand, much less act on political information without understanding the context in which real policy decisions are made and implemented. Neither do the public and private sector propagandists whose stock in trade is to keep the public busy and distracted while "their democratic government" goes about its business, so this subject is rarely mentioned outside academic circles. Why The Deep State Always Wins: The Zero-Sum Game of Perpetual War Bill Blunden, August 29, 2014 http://cryptome.org/2014/08/deep-state-wins.pdf The Power Elite, C. Wright Mills Oxford University Press, 1956 Excerpt: https://tinyurl.com/elitepower National Security and Double Government, Michael J. Glennon, Harvard National Security Journal, 2014 Full text: https://tinyurl.com/thedeepstate Anatomy of the Deep State by Mike Lofgren, February 21, 2014 http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/ Information is not "intelligence" unless one can act on it, and that in turn requires a strategic framework for deploying tools available to the consumers of intelligence. People interested in "doing" politics may find some "must read" items in this collection of texts about populist political strategies and tactics. Neither the soap box, ballot box or ammo box provides tools for making substantive changes in State policies and agendas - although each has its role to play. Real political change follows organized public resistance that makes it more costly to continue "business as usual" by force, than to make concessions to public demands. These texts provide models and technical information relevant to making abuse of State power by Corporate interests cost prohibitive: http://pilobilus.net/strategic_conflict_docs_intro.html :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYk6J1AAoJEECU6c5Xzmuqk64H/jivC2Kjl+7ZXLTYh79zBs59 g98jZs0YRoY6hMyDGvaBQQW/W7NnvWPq8hpSa1LlrRXHtyDdwsTX8oMbZnA5s3xW 9BdnA7nXnFv2S34NyKDsHN6CaF0MROaIr7MgFwtCGC0KJ2H8rBJKhhxtSbIyNGEH vaZNklIhqdFZkbnIh8BDtFdZoOgRBqcKD7+WMDMGMxeXCDSyuivCSGA8rJp3uT2K vqefaIrm1H+6qi8+YNM+ovoyYaYBvkbrZoeVz7IikM1N5mamNdHdnP+5xqwJFS4B 6NTIbdynmDLCVVNb0KSipLSibkECNBYO0wSqF1bkKoeIyXjsyATyCDG6jvFi4VE= =fK2s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 02/02/2017 12:21 PM, Claudia Steimann wrote:
I am just reading that book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-... Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires By Will Black and it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into something evil - also describes the same effects within companies.
Does anybody here got other must reads on society or politics?
It's not a "read" per se, but the lessons taught from it are no less powerful: the anime series Nobunaga the Fool. There was a manga made from it as well, if you really prefer paper (though it might differ from the anime series). -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
It's not a "read" per se, but the lessons taught from it are no less powerful: the anime series Nobunaga the Fool. There was a manga made from it as well, if you really prefer paper (though it might differ from the anime series).
There's some time, I'm trying to remember the name of a pretty disturbing manga (Japanese comics) series to recommend it to Ju@n. He always gave me great suggestions of reading, and I bet he will like this one, even being a heavy political drama. I read only the beggining of this novel when visited my parents and I always forget to ask its name. I stopped my reading because I know the end will be very tragic. Dreamers and their dreams are usually destroyed in the end. Two little boys completely lost, poor, with no family, really disappointed with all the corruption, with all the injustices, decide to sacrifice their personal lives to change the world. They make a deal, one of them would be a politician to have strenght enough to directly affect the laws and the government, and the other would always be on the backstage, giving support to their childhood dreams, but also would rule in another aspect of the corrupt society. He becomes a criminal, a great and cruel gangster. The beggining of this sad and bitter story shows their dawn and how corruption exists in all the places. They grown up together like two brothers, and try to save the world of the corruption because both knowed what was living on the streets, starving, suffering in a place with no compassion or Justice even for the children... but you can see the corruption slowly destroying their dreams... Slowly destroying both... :(
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 02:36:52 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
Two little boys completely lost, poor, with no family, really disappointed with all the corruption, with all the injustices, decide to sacrifice their personal lives to change the world. They make a deal, one of them would be a politician to have strenght enough to directly affect the laws and the government, and the other would always be on the backstage, giving support to their childhood dreams, but also would rule in another aspect of the corrupt society. He becomes a criminal, a great and cruel gangster. The beggining of this sad and bitter story shows their dawn and how corruption exists in all the places. They grown up together like two brothers, and try to save the world of the corruption because both knowed what was living on the streets, starving, suffering in a place with no compassion or Justice even for the children... but you can see the corruption slowly destroying their dreams... Slowly destroying both... :(
Sounds pretty interesting. I didn't understand if it's a text-only book or a manga though? Knowing the title would be nice too =P
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:59 AM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds pretty interesting. I didn't understand if it's a text-only book or a manga though? Knowing the title would be nice too =P
It's a manga. You know I love comics. :) You also know I have a weak for charming Germans. Maybe I am flirting with Dr. Alzheimer, but I don't remember it too, hahaha!! ;D I am sure you would like the heavy social and political criticism. It links the worlds of crime and politics in a very sad and bitter way, mentioning the corruption and the hypocrisy in all sectors of the society, in all the institutions, schools, churches, events, media... They don't believe in a God that permiss this corrupted world, only trust each other, and are loyal to their childhood promise *at any cost*. This point is pretty sad. They use the people to rise, my dear. While following their dreams of a better world, they slowly become the kind of people they hated... You know why I stopped my reading. :((
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 03:25:59 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a manga. You know I love comics. :)
got it I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_%28manga%29
I am sure you would like the heavy social and political criticism. It links the worlds of crime and politics in a very sad and bitter way, mentioning the corruption and the hypocrisy in all sectors of the society, in all the institutions, schools, churches, events, media... They don't believe in a God that permiss this corrupted world, only trust each other, and are loyal to their childhood promise *at any cost*. This point is pretty sad. They use the people to rise, my dear. While following their dreams of a better world, they slowly become the kind of people they hated...
A logical outcome...
You know why I stopped my reading. :((
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 3:44 AM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
got it I think
Hmm, I think I read a kind of more recent (after 2000) lecture of this story, dear. Very similar, but not the same plot and the same artist, at least. I like Ikegami's illustrations a lot and tried to make one of his Yakuza paintings some years ago. He has great works about Yakuza tattoos and used some of them in Crying Freeman story. This story is more or less, but the artistic work is beautiful (+18 yo). :) While following their dreams of a better
world, they slowly become the kind of people they hated...
A logical outcome...
Oh, Juan, please, why does always need to end this way? No darkness is darker and sadder than the innocent soul's corruption, the dark night of the soul... :((
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
It's not a "read" per se, but the lessons taught from it are no less powerful: the anime series Nobunaga the Fool. There was a manga made from it as well, if you really prefer paper (though it might differ from the anime series).
I thought it was a coincidence of names, but the Nobunaga mentioned is really Nobunaga Oda! Wow, this anime must be pretty crazy! :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobunaga_the_Fool I will watch the anime this weekend! Thanks, Shawn! :D
Hello, I've been lurking around this maillist for a long time but I haven't really contributed with anything. I really like the discussions, arguments, recommendations of the group. Very thought provoking. I'm looking forward to participating a lot more in the conversations :) If not the same, the manga Ouroboros is very similar to what Cecilia described. Another manga recommendation is the the historical work of Sentarō Kubota - Bokko ( translated as "Mohist attack" ) which narrates the story of a monk from the clan that preaches Mohism. On Feb 3, 2017 12:47 AM, "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
It's not a "read" per se, but the lessons taught from it are no less powerful: the anime series Nobunaga the Fool. There was a manga made from it as well, if you really prefer paper (though it might differ from the anime series).
I thought it was a coincidence of names, but the Nobunaga mentioned is really Nobunaga Oda! Wow, this anime must be pretty crazy! :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobunaga_the_Fool
I will watch the anime this weekend! Thanks, Shawn! :D
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:08 AM, swalow swalow <sswalow@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Hi, Hi! Hello, Hello! :D
I've been lurking around this maillist for a long time but I haven't really contributed with anything. I really like the discussions, arguments, recommendations of the group. Very thought provoking. I'm looking forward to participating a lot more in the conversations :)
Nice to meet you. It will be a pleasure. There are lots of interesting people here, but most of them are in silence. Some lurking, some with no much time for writing, some disappointed about the list' subjects... and so go on... :) In general, most of the usual subscribers are warmer and much more friendly and reasonable than it seems here. Don't feel scared, or annoyed, please.
If not the same, the manga Ouroboros is very similar to what Cecilia described.
Another manga recommendation is the the historical work of Sentarō Kubota - Bokko ( translated as "Mohist attack" ) which narrates the story of a monk from the clan that preaches Mohism.
Thanks for your suggestions, my dear. I am a bit tired now - 04:30, a.m. here - and I will search more informations about them later, sorry. :P Take care and, please, try to be happy here. Lurking or talking, loving or hating, always try to feel comfortable in all the places, virtual or not. <3 Ceci PS: - Even the most stupid references of this list can make you smile, so avoid too much stress and negativity. Yesterday, a dear friend "attacked" my face with brushes and a lot of golden bronzer and pinky-peachy blush, because "I was pale like a ghost, needing some help to seem healthier and more beautiful". I laughed a lot because was impossible to avoid thinking "Oh, those nazists trolls were right! I am being attacked for being a white person (in the Brazilian Summer) !", hahahaha!! ;D
On 02/02/2017 10:21 AM, Claudia Steimann wrote:
I am just reading that book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-... Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires By Will Black and it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into something evil - also describes the same effects within companies.
Does anybody here got other must reads on society or politics?
For a start, "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business" by Neil Postman. Libcom.org used to have a copy online but they apparently had to remove it. The last chapter 'Who was right? Orwell or Huxley?' was turned into a cartoon meme: https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/george-orwell-vs-aldous-hu... (Vertical strip 950x7583) ...but the rest of the book describes in quite readable detail how people get dumbed down by media. Rr
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