Rising carbon dioxide is greening the Earth - but it's not all good news
Thought someone posted a link like this back in the April thread - could not find that, so posting here. Increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels is a genuinely good thing. CO2 is making Earth greener—for now http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2-is-making-earth-greenerfor-now/ If you squint a bit and read a little too quickly, the caption on the image reads "This image shows the change in leaf across the globe from 1982-2015." which bodes really well for peace pipes around the world. And please, read carefully the last paragraph - even scientists know their "scientific models" are flawed and always "being improved" (aka, changing, since the previous iteration was wrong). At least some of them acknowledge this fact. CO2 fertilization greening the Earth http://phys.org/news/2016-04-co2-fertilization-greening-earth.html Global Warming Produced a Greener, More Fruitful Planet http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/global-warming-produced-greener-... Rise in CO2 has 'greened Planet Earth' http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346 Rising carbon dioxide is greening the Earth - but it’s not all good news http://theconversation.com/rising-carbon-dioxide-is-greening-the-earth-but-i...
On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Thought someone posted a link like this back in the April thread - could not find that, so posting here.
Increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels is a genuinely good thing.
CO2 is making Earth greener—for now http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2-is-making-earth-greenerfor-now/
This is direct quote from your first nasa link : "While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events." John
On 08/17/2016 07:11 PM, John Newman wrote:
On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Thought someone posted a link like this back in the April thread - could not find that, so posting here.
Increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels is a genuinely good thing.
CO2 is making Earth greener—for now http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2-is-making-earth-greenerfor-now/
This is direct quote from your first nasa link :
"While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events."
John
Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking useless. The latency is too great, and there are too many positive feedbacks. By the time that impacts are undeniable enough to motivate substantial reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too late.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/17/2016 09:46 PM, Mirimir wrote:
Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking useless. The latency is too great, and there are too many positive feedbacks. By the time that impacts are undeniable enough to motivate substantial reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too late.
About the time follow up studies measured and confirmed annual summer methane discharges from thawed out former Arctic permafrost (ancient peat bogs, tidal flats etc.), climatologists stopped talking about "stopping" much less reversing global warming. So far I am not aware of any positive public statements from competent actors to the effect that global warming is now self-driving regardless of human activity. I suspect there is a quiet consensus that telling this particular truth would do more harm that good: The human contribution to global warming does continue to accelerate the process and enlarge its "final" impact, so statements that could be taken as excuses to just give up on reducing greenhouse gas emissions would be counter-productive. With or without global warming, the exponential growth of human population and the industrial processes that drive this growth had to end sometime. That time is "real soon now." :o/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXtxEWAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqmYIIAMRJjfToZ77CzSYWbvXHheW3 0M9VlWDusftBIwvX8epEs4dnPVaqG/54CYs5WmCBcKvx6B7DyWcKsJ39wi0IAGCi 835OHuTAzhWrlmBxKG5N1i1QdeczPG7LZBIhop6NHpbFR8stWc7/w7oTWSagqS/m rKv69FdUomF+ppQwZLKsxpLvEnUDLdSU/HrCrNdDNkiflA9PJiwCfSzH+D8yMw7c sSGRh01UHmYrkj+eY++2Sh05WE+8F6ngnRJ8K8DO17ljE2UkLtjR7+CV3IC94WWw 5WnTCPvvFDifWyZspkjbWAt4Tz0smdSx0whzUFOC+TGZfQflkxSkblPMtM+rugc= =vkeQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 08/19/2016 08:00 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 08/17/2016 09:46 PM, Mirimir wrote:
Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking useless. The latency is too great, and there are too many positive feedbacks. By the time that impacts are undeniable enough to motivate substantial reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too late.
About the time follow up studies measured and confirmed annual summer methane discharges from thawed out former Arctic permafrost (ancient peat bogs, tidal flats etc.), climatologists stopped talking about "stopping" much less reversing global warming.
Right, that will likely be a major factor. I'm betting that we'll see regional forest burn-offs, as precipitation shifts away from the equator. Amazon will become grasslands and desert. Africa too. Migration will be a bitch. Maybe US and EU will nuke strategically to prevent that. Maybe we'll finally see WWIII ;)
So far I am not aware of any positive public statements from competent actors to the effect that global warming is now self-driving regardless of human activity. I suspect there is a quiet consensus that telling this particular truth would do more harm that good: The human contribution to global warming does continue to accelerate the process and enlarge its "final" impact, so statements that could be taken as excuses to just give up on reducing greenhouse gas emissions would be counter-productive.
Before too long, it won't matter ;)
With or without global warming, the exponential growth of human population and the industrial processes that drive this growth had to end sometime. That time is "real soon now."
Interesting times are coming, for sure ;)
:o/
On Aug 19, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
About the time follow up studies measured and confirmed annual summer methane discharges from thawed out former Arctic permafrost (ancient peat bogs, tidal flats etc.), climatologists stopped talking about "stopping" much less reversing global warming.
Right, that will likely be a major factor. I'm betting that we'll see regional forest burn-offs, as precipitation shifts away from the equator. Amazon will become grasslands and desert. Africa too.
Migration will be a bitch. Maybe US and EU will nuke strategically to prevent that. Maybe we'll finally see WWIII ;)
So far I am not aware of any positive public statements from competent actors to the effect that global warming is now self-driving regardless of human activity. I suspect there is a quiet consensus that telling this particular truth would do more harm that good: The human contribution to global warming does continue to accelerate the process and enlarge its "final" impact, so statements that could be taken as excuses to just give up on reducing greenhouse gas emissions would be counter-productive.
Before too long, it won't matter ;)
With or without global warming, the exponential growth of human population and the industrial processes that drive this growth had to end sometime. That time is "real soon now."
Interesting times are coming, for sure ;)
I appreciate and fully endorse your optimism :) ROFL John
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:00:55AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
So far I am not aware of any positive public statements from competent actors to the effect that global warming is now self-driving regardless of human activity. I suspect there is a quiet consensus that telling this particular truth would do more harm that good: The
Have high temperature crashes happened before? If so, is there an estimate for the period? Or do humans have the bad luck to live in times of near crash, just after fucking nature hard?
On 8/17/16, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking useless. The latency is too great, and there are too many positive feedbacks. By the time that impacts are undeniable enough to motivate substantial reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too late.
It's a bit of a race, how long can you consume faster than natural replenishment, and generally fuck shit up, before reaching the understanding, control, and technology needed to back you off the depletion and saturation points. The further you gamble under a negative rate condition, on your ability to push the event horizon of reaching positive replenishment and restoration, particularly as your negative rate is increasing (2nd derivative), the greater your odds of losing. Humans like to gamble, but Nature is the bookie, the house, programmer of the slots, printer of tokens, dealer, security, etc... To Her, right now, you're just a dumb patron, drunk on consumption, and She's going to win. Sober up.
On 08/21/2016 12:30 PM, grarpamp wrote:
On 8/17/16, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking useless. The latency is too great, and there are too many positive feedbacks. By the time that impacts are undeniable enough to motivate substantial reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too late.
It's a bit of a race, how long can you consume faster than natural replenishment, and generally fuck shit up, before reaching the understanding, control, and technology needed to back you off the depletion and saturation points. The further you gamble under a negative rate condition, on your ability to push the event horizon of reaching positive replenishment and restoration, particularly as your negative rate is increasing (2nd derivative), the greater your odds of losing.
Humans like to gamble, but Nature is the bookie, the house, programmer of the slots, printer of tokens, dealer, security, etc... To Her, right now, you're just a dumb patron, drunk on consumption, and She's going to win.
Sober up.
:) It'd be simple if there were just one gambler. But there are maybe a dozen major players. So we have a tragedy of the commons :(
On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 02:30:06PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
On 8/17/16, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking useless. The latency is too great, and there are too many positive feedbacks. By the time that impacts are undeniable enough to motivate substantial reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too late.
It's a bit of a race, how long can you consume faster than natural replenishment, and generally fuck shit up, before reaching the understanding, control, and technology needed to back you off the depletion and saturation points. The further you gamble under a negative rate condition, on your ability to push the event horizon of reaching positive replenishment and restoration, particularly as your negative rate is increasing (2nd derivative), the greater your odds of losing.
Humans like to gamble, but Nature is the bookie, the house, programmer of the slots, printer of tokens, dealer, security, etc... To Her, right now, you're just a dumb patron, drunk on consumption, and She's going to win.
Sober up.
Nature wins - but it can take a long time for her to clean up the mess her organisms make, so yes, we should sober up. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenera... https://climatism.wordpress.com/2014/01/10/hell-on-earth/
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 07:46:09PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/17/2016 07:11 PM, John Newman wrote:
On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Thought someone posted a link like this back in the April thread - could not find that, so posting here.
Increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels is a genuinely good thing.
CO2 is making Earth greener—for now http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2-is-making-earth-greenerfor-now/
This is direct quote from your first nasa link :
"While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events."
John
Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking useless. The latency is too great, and there are too many positive feedbacks. By the time that impacts are undeniable enough to motivate substantial reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too late.
Mirimir is bang on here. And here's honours engineer Malcolm Roberts, an "independent, non-aligned, volunteer" Aussie, doing a 3 minute vid to help lay peeps comprehend some of the misinformation out there, in particular that which is targetting Australians and our atrocious Carbon Tax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC1l4geSTP8 Transcript, with references: http://www.galileomovement.com.au/docs/RiceTranscript_image.pdf Plenty more: http://www.galileomovement.com.au/political_scam_exposed.php Now go kick some carbon arse ... -- * Certified Deplorable Neo-Nazi Fake News Hunter (TM)(C)(R) * Executive Director of Triggers, Ministry of Winning * Weapons against traditional \/\/European\/\/ values: http://davidduke.com/jewish-professor-boasts-of-jewish-pornography-used-as-a...
Climate shock: 90 percent of the world’s glaciers are GROWING http://principia-scientific.org/climate-shock-90-percent-worlds-glaciers-gro... November 26, 2016 " A new NASA study, released on Friday, admits that ice is accumulating in Antarctica. Satellite measurements show an 82-112 gigaton-a-year net ice gain. ... Not only is the Antarctic Ice Sheet growing, NASA admits that the growth is actually reducing sea-level rise. " https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-... " A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers. The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice. According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008. ... " -- Certified (R) Deplorable (TM) Fake News (TM) Which Hunter (C) Executive Director of Vice, The Ministry - of Winning Shilling for buxom Russian swastika clad minxes since 1988
Did you actually read the links you sent? I realize that's expecting a lot. You are so full of shit, man =). Your giddy pride in your new white nationalist fascist identity is fucking embarrassing. John On November 29, 2016 2:57:48 AM EST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Climate shock: 90 percent of the world’s glaciers are GROWING http://principia-scientific.org/climate-shock-90-percent-worlds-glaciers-gro... November 26, 2016 " A new NASA study, released on Friday, admits that ice is accumulating in Antarctica. Satellite measurements show an 82-112 gigaton-a-year net ice gain. ... Not only is the Antarctic Ice Sheet growing, NASA admits that the growth is actually reducing sea-level rise. "
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-... " A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.
The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008. ... "
-- Certified (R) Deplorable (TM) Fake News (TM) Which Hunter (C) Executive Director of Vice, The Ministry - of Winning Shilling for buxom Russian swastika clad minxes since 1988
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It's not all bad news: Global temperature plummets: Global avg. temperatures down a very large 1 degree, as at mid 2016: https://conservativedailypost.com/nasa-drops-global-warming-bombshell-libera... It's not all good news: Arctic perennial ice plummets: Arctic Changed Beyond Recognition: 95% of Perennial Ice Since 1984 Vanished https://sputniknews.com/world/201612011048034813-perennial-ice-melting-arcti... Certainly Earth weather and temperature patterns are changing.
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