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On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure what you mean. I always supported decentralization in the global and centralized Internet (a mesh that spans around the globe as a single closed item, compared to decentralized post offices where users can send an encrypted letter from country a to b while the rest can't intercept.)
BTW. Not sure if you have access to a good library in your local area. If so, check out the book "The Matrix" from 1990, from John S. Quaterman, which shows you what decentralization is when it comes to global computer networks, compared to Democrat Al Gore's commercial Internet. ;-)
P.S. Karl do you know why people cannot get a free of charge additional IPv6 for running services at home to promote decentralization ....???
Do you have any thoughts on this? It would be due to the lack of community internet service provision, possibly? Of course, anybody can configure an interface with as many ipv6 addresses as they want on a decentralised routing infrastructure ...
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 6:17 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure what you mean. I always supported decentralization in the global and centralized Internet (a mesh that spans around the globe as a single closed item, compared to decentralized post offices where users can send an encrypted letter from country a to b while the rest can't intercept.)
BTW. Not sure if you have access to a good library in your local area. If so, check out the book "The Matrix" from 1990, from John S. Quaterman, which shows you what decentralization is when it comes to global computer networks, compared to Democrat Al Gore's commercial Internet. ;-)
P.S. Karl do you know why people cannot get a free of charge additional IPv6 for running services at home to promote decentralization ....???
Do you have any thoughts on this? It would be due to the lack of community internet service provision, possibly?
The big boys prefer centralization, hence my suggestion to check out this book. Regards Stefan
I actually searched for your book, but it's hard to find! I think what you say about centralization is pretty well-known, if not well-cited, and this list might even be seen as a discussion of the topic. Any thoughts?
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 6:26 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I actually searched for your book, but it's hard to find!
ISBN 1-55558-033-5 picture attached.
I think what you say about centralization is pretty well-known, if not well-cited, and this list might even be seen as a discussion of the topic. Any thoughts?
Yes, we can discuss this (as old farts) so that the young generation has something to think about. But for me not today, maybe tomorrow. Regards Stefan
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 6:26 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I actually searched for your book, but it's hard to find!
ISBN 1-55558-033-5 picture attached.
It is so cool that you own this book physically. If you ever scan it, it would be really helpful if it were uploaded to https://libgen.is/ , which has most books, so that others can find it easily.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 7:15 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 6:26 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I actually searched for your book, but it's hard to find!
ISBN 1-55558-033-5 picture attached.
It is so cool that you own this book physically. If you ever scan it, it would be really helpful if it were uploaded to https://libgen.is/ , which has most books, so that others can find it easily.
Hi Karl, yes and it is cool for me that I did not throw it away etc. when I had a psychosis back in the '90s where I threw away my original MIT booklet from PGP, written by Mr. Zimmermann. When I was young I purchased or collected many books and US magazines regarding computer technology. When Zeynep recently posted that she purchased Bruce Schneier's book I found this also awesome, which shows me that Zeynep is on the right track being a Cypherpunk, because she has privacy when reading a real book and not surfing the Internet to read things about Crypto. To bad for the young smartphone generation, hanging on the virtual needle, will forget later or do not know how we old farts did certain things. Do you remember when we were young, had local computer clubs and shops, could exchange ideas privately or people wrote public domain software, without this OpenSource license crap? Regarding privacy, our former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl always used telephone booths, which were damaged or destroyed later, when he did important telephone calls. How comes that we no longer have telephone booths where we can put 20 cents in for a call ... ??? Regarding scanning, theoretically, I could do this, but then the book would be damaged, which I do not like to do, even if one would pay me for that and it would be an educational resource for the community. Sounds egoistically, I know, and I am sorry about that. Regards Stefan
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 7:15 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 6:26 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I actually searched for your book, but it's hard to find!
ISBN 1-55558-033-5 picture attached.
It is so cool that you own this book physically. If you ever scan it, it would be really helpful if it were uploaded to https://libgen.is/ , which has most books, so that others can find it easily.
Hi Karl, yes and it is cool for me that I did not throw it away etc. when I had a psychosis back in the '90s where I threw away my original MIT booklet from PGP, written by Mr. Zimmermann.
Man that's really crummy. I've done things like that a lot. I am happy to be your friend regardless of how we might disagree about network topology or whatnot, given you had this experience (for as long as I remember you had it). Psychoses are crazy. Note: I think my psychosis might have been a misdiagnosis for multiple dissociative disorders after finding https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7001344/ .
When I was young I purchased or collected many books and US magazines regarding computer technology. When Zeynep recently posted that she purchased Bruce Schneier's book I found this also awesome, which shows me that Zeynep is on the right track being a Cypherpunk, because she has privacy when reading a real book and not surfing the Internet to read things about Crypto. To bad for the young smartphone generation, hanging on the virtual needle, will forget later or do not know how we old farts did certain things.
The thing or someone like zeynep to do is to collaborate with your community to pay for a huge disk, and download all the books to the disk and share them offline with your friends. This way people without funds, or who are not yet targeted online, can read things. I don't remember the name for this but grarpamp would know.
Do you remember when we were young, had local computer clubs and shops, could exchange ideas privately or people
I remember when there were local computer clubs and shops. They are now more scarce.
wrote public domain software, without this OpenSource license crap?
Ehh I remember a lot of 'shareware', I must have missed the public domain stuff. I've written some public domain stuff but never gotten a lot of contributions back, so I like the GPL now. Maybe it is because of the online politics, the lack of public domain contributions. Interesting thought. I never thought of software licensing as bad before; I've never heard anyone criticise it for reasons that make sense. Often people complain that businesses can't use it, I don't really understand why that would be.
Regarding privacy, our former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl always used telephone booths, which were damaged or destroyed later, when he did important telephone calls. How comes that we no longer have telephone booths where we can put 20 cents in for a call ... ???
They are around in some areas :) I have used a public phone for a quarter (0.25 USD) a year or two ago in an offline area. But yeah cellphones are really making life very dangerous.
Regarding scanning, theoretically, I could do this, but then the book would be damaged, which I do not like to do, even if one would pay me for that and it would be an educational resource for the community. Sounds egoistically, I know, and I am sorry about that.
It's fine, if I really want the book I can post on the site and find a way to get it. I imagine we would agree that using the local library and their services for book-finding would be a good way to get it, too.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:07 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Man that's really crummy. I've done things like that a lot. I am happy to be your friend regardless of how we might disagree about network topology or whatnot, given you had this experience (for as long as I remember you had it). Psychoses are crazy. Note: I think my psychosis might have been a misdiagnosis for multiple dissociative disorders after finding https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7001344/ .
Indeed they are (unfortunately) crazy. When I had mine, I was completely knocked out, had to stay in psychiatry and lost all my friends from the real worl.
When I was young I purchased or collected many books and US magazines regarding computer technology. When Zeynep recently posted that she purchased Bruce Schneier's book I found this also awesome, which shows me that Zeynep is on the right track being a Cypherpunk, because she has privacy when reading a real book and not surfing the Internet to read things about Crypto. To bad for the young smartphone generation, hanging on the virtual needle, will forget later or do not know how we old farts did certain things.
The thing or someone like zeynep to do is to collaborate with your community to pay for a huge disk, and download all the books to the disk and share them offline with your friends. This way people without funds, or who are not yet targeted online, can read things. I don't remember the name for this but grarpamp would know.
Yes, and for example, regarding a programming language one can do the same, i.e. purchasing a book and code offline. When I was young you could buy programming languages with their manual (in book form). :-)
wrote public domain software, without this OpenSource license crap?
Ehh I remember a lot of 'shareware', I must have missed the public domain stuff. I've written some public domain stuff but never gotten a lot of contributions back, so I like the GPL now.
Maybe it is because of the online politics, the lack of public domain contributions. Interesting thought. I never thought of software licensing as bad before; I've never heard anyone criticise it for reasons that make sense. Often people complain that businesses can't use it, I don't really understand why that would be. etically, I could do this, but then the
My GitHub Golang[1] stuff has no licenses because my opinion is that users at home, can do what they want to do with it, which I cannot control and if companies would use it I do not give the slightest fuck if their IoT stuff breaks, not my problem. No one is forced to use my stuff. Should one come with a lawyer I would show them my middle finger, because I am not bound by German law or by GitHub requirements to provide one. If I had to provide one I would write my own. [1] What I like about Golang so much, I can cross-compile for 26 different platforms, so when I use a Linux version I can cross-compile for friends etc. a Windows .exe :-) BTW. Golang folks are highly sought-after people. Me as an old fart, not interested in making money with Golang, have already received 5 well paid job offers (permanent) in different countries, early this year. Regards Stefan
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:07 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Man that's really crummy. I've done things like that a lot. I am happy to be your friend regardless of how we might disagree about network topology or whatnot, given you had this experience (for as long as I remember you had it). Psychoses are crazy. Note: I think my psychosis might have been a misdiagnosis for multiple dissociative disorders after finding https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7001344/ .
Indeed they are (unfortunately) crazy. When I had mine, I was completely knocked out, had to stay in psychiatry and lost all my friends from the real worl.
Yeah :( sometimes I contact old friends and further alienate them with harmful expressions. It's sad. But psychotic behavior patterns are really interesting, I think they say so much about things that happen in our culture and the human condition. I think a lot of people have diverse opinions on this.
The thing or someone like zeynep to do is to collaborate with your community to pay for a huge disk, and download all the books to the disk and share them offline with your friends. This way people without funds, or who are not yet targeted online, can read things. I don't remember the name for this but grarpamp would know.
Yes, and for example, regarding a programming language one can do the same, i.e. purchasing a book and code offline.
When I was young you could buy programming languages with their manual (in book form). :-)
My early learning developed a lot with books from Waite Group with their CDs in the back. I think I'm younger than you.
My GitHub Golang[1] stuff has no licenses because my opinion is that users at home, can do what they want to do with it, which I cannot control and if companies would use it I do not give the slightest fuck if their IoT stuff breaks, not my problem. No one is forced to use my stuff. Should one come with a lawyer I would show them my middle finger, because I am not bound by German law or by GitHub requirements to provide one. If I had to provide one I would write my own.
Sounds like public domain doesn't protect you if others misuse your work.
[1] What I like about Golang so much, I can cross-compile for 26 different platforms, so when I use a Linux version I can cross-compile for friends etc. a Windows .exe :-)
I came down to this footnote to find your link to your github :) but I'm sure it's linked elsewhere on-list.
BTW. Golang folks are highly sought-after people. Me as an old fart, not interested in making money with Golang, have already received 5 well paid job offers (permanent) in different countries, early this year.
Other languages include rust and haskell. I focus on python since huggingface is trying to use it to take over the world more communally than other corps are. I'm forgetting C++, which used to be my favorite language, kinda weird, should maybe do so more systems-style coding a little or something.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:19 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah :( sometimes I contact old friends and further alienate them with harmful expressions. It's sad. But psychotic behavior patterns are really interesting, I think they say so much about things that happen in our culture and the human condition. I think a lot of people have diverse opinions on this.
Yes, and it happens more and more to people and regarding culture (in western countries) don't get me started on a whole new topic and my opinion about this. :-)
The thing or someone like zeynep to do is to collaborate with your community to pay for a huge disk, and download all the books to the disk and share them offline with your friends. This way people without funds, or who are not yet targeted online, can read things. I don't remember the name for this but grarpamp would know.
Yes, and for example, regarding a programming language one can do the same, i.e. purchasing a book and code offline.
When I was young you could buy programming languages with their manual (in book form). :-)
My early learning developed a lot with books from Waite Group with their CDs in the back. I think I'm younger than you.
Yes, I remember Waite Group. :-)
My GitHub Golang[1] stuff has no licenses because my opinion is that users at home, can do what they want to do with it, which I cannot control and if companies would use it I do not give the slightest fuck if their IoT stuff breaks, not my problem. No one is forced to use my stuff. Should one come with a lawyer I would show them my middle finger, because I am not bound by German law or by GitHub requirements to provide one. If I had to provide one I would write my own.
Sounds like public domain doesn't protect you if others misuse your work.
Well, simply said public domain and I do not have to worry. :-)
BTW. Golang folks are highly sought-after people. Me as an old fart, not interested in making money with Golang, have already received 5 well paid job offers (permanent) in different countries, early this year.
Other languages include rust and haskell.
I focus on python since huggingface is trying to use it to take over the world more communally than other corps are. I'm forgetting C++, which used to be my favorite language, kinda weird, should maybe do so more systems-style coding a little or something.
I like to add, I am not a programmer like you. When I started trying to learn programming it was when I purchased my Atari 800XL and a friend gave me an Assembly language cartridge to play with it. An older person back then taught it to us, but I found it boring and really time-consuming. Later came Basic and K&R C Language but also lost interest. My interest in Golang came from a well-known person in privacy circles who started many years ago with Golang, I found it interesting and later noodled around with it. So, when something interests me I do it in Golang. The advantage for me is that Golang, regarding crypto, has always many such libraries and I think the language is easy to learn. What I also like about Golang is that in my city the Golang club has over 2000 young members, which I think is really awesome. To add to this I also have no time to dive deep into programming. I do other things too, like Computer Graphics and 3D printing. Regards Stefan
Cool, Stefan. Ruby was another one of those languages that was really pleasant to code in compared to C or assembly. Just another language. I spent a lot of time programming computer graphics when I was younger. 3D printing is also cool. I've been to a few makerspaces and people never seem to really be making use of 3D printing. Some really incredible things could be made with this, like procedural objects with customisable fractal designs. It's been sad that I haven't found a hub for procedural object generation, people instead pass around specific-use model files rather than code to generate things. I hear the thing to learn is OpenSCAD, haven't tried it. I only gained access to 3D printing after my psychosis, so there is not much time for intentional, planned art anymore. Thanks for your emails. I notice there appear to no longer be programmers on this programmer list.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:14 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool, Stefan.
Thanks Karl.
Ruby was another one of those languages that was really pleasant to code in compared to C or assembly. Just another language.
I spent a lot of time programming computer graphics when I was younger. 3D printing is also cool.
Oh, very interesting and indeed 3D with 3D printing cool things can be done.
I've been to a few makerspaces and people never seem to really be making use of 3D printing. Some really incredible things could be made with this, like procedural objects with customisable fractal designs. It's been sad that I haven't found a hub for procedural object generation, people instead pass around specific-use model files rather than code to generate things. I hear the thing to learn is OpenSCAD, haven't tried it.
Well, I can tell you my friend Jotero (Torolf Sauermann from Hannover, Germany), is probably the worlds top ace if it comes to computer generated math art model, including fractals and procedural stuff. But unfortunately (he is a really nice person) he was many times ripped-off from big companies and others and he nowadays is only on Instagram, showing his artworks) He is AFAIK also well connected to other aces in this field, but it never helped him. Simply google for him and if you like to contact him (he understands English) I can give you his email address.
I only gained access to 3D printing after my psychosis, so there is not much time for intentional, planned art anymore.
Oh, but I understand.
Thanks for your emails. I notice there appear to no longer be programmers on this programmer list.
If you refer to this Cypherpunk list, I think so, which is sad. BTW. I have reserved the Google Groups cypherpunks ... a while ago, just in case. :-) Regards Stefan
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:14 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool, Stefan.
Thanks Karl.
Oh, very interesting and indeed 3D with 3D printing cool things can be done.
:)
Well, I can tell you my friend Jotero (Torolf Sauermann from Hannover, Germany), is probably the worlds top ace if it comes to computer generated math art model, including fractals and procedural stuff.
But unfortunately (he is a really nice person) he was many times ripped-off from big companies and others and he nowadays is only on Instagram, showing his artworks) He is AFAIK also well connected to other aces in this field, but it never helped him. Simply google for him and if you like to contact him (he understands English) I can give you his email address.
But where is the source code repository for people to combine their work together?
I only gained access to 3D printing after my psychosis, so there is not much time for intentional, planned art anymore.
Oh, but I understand.
Thanks for your emails. I notice there appear to no longer be programmers on this programmer list.
If you refer to this Cypherpunk list, I think so, which is sad.
I didn't really know; when did that happen? It is so strange to me, this is very much not what I expect, although I'm kind of confused :)
BTW. I have reserved the Google Groups cypherpunks ... a while ago, just in case. :-)
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:40 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:14 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool, Stefan.
Thanks Karl.
Oh, very interesting and indeed 3D with 3D printing cool things can be done.
:)
Well, I can tell you my friend Jotero (Torolf Sauermann from Hannover, Germany), is probably the worlds top ace if it comes to computer generated math art model, including fractals and procedural stuff.
But unfortunately (he is a really nice person) he was many times ripped-off from big companies and others and he nowadays is only on Instagram, showing his artworks) He is AFAIK also well connected to other aces in this field, but it never helped him. Simply google for him and if you like to contact him (he understands English) I can give you his email address.
But where is the source code repository for people to combine their work together?
Real Artist in this field have no repositories like GitHub, Gitlab etc. to my knowledge. University Professors in this field have sometimes free software on their webpage or upon request. In the case of my friend Jotero he uses a combination of licensed and nowadays mostly Open Source tools, where he combines techniques usually not found on the Internet to protect himself from copy cats etc. What he does also requires exploring and diving deep into math formulas etc. or parameter sets. and people like these professors were than often surprised at what he could do with their tools and his workflow. Decades ago he wrote also a path tracer, which yielded back at that time awesome results, but he gained also nothing from that, same goes for 3D printing.
I didn't really know; when did that happen? It is so strange to me, this is very much not what I expect, although I'm kind of confused :)
I can't tell you. I am not that long on this ML and when I meet the Cypherpunks way back in the early '90s it was on Usenet and via personal email. Regards Stefan
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:40 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:14 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool, Stefan.
Thanks Karl.
Oh, very interesting and indeed 3D with 3D printing cool things can be done.
:)
Well, I can tell you my friend Jotero (Torolf Sauermann from Hannover, Germany), is probably the worlds top ace if it comes to computer generated math art model, including fractals and procedural stuff.
But unfortunately (he is a really nice person) he was many times ripped-off from big companies and others and he nowadays is only on Instagram, showing his artworks) He is AFAIK also well connected to other aces in this field, but it never helped him. Simply google for him and if you like to contact him (he understands English) I can give you his email address.
But where is the source code repository for people to combine their work together?
Real Artist in this field have no repositories like GitHub, Gitlab etc. to my knowledge.
University Professors in this field have sometimes free software on their webpage or upon request.
This is crazy what you say, is the year 1999? How did this happen? Github presently has over 73 million developers and 4 million organizations, codeberg.org has 10k repositories, gitlab has over 100k organizations. Some of those developers must be 3d printing artists sharing code.
In the case of my friend Jotero he uses a combination of licensed and nowadays mostly Open Source tools, where he combines techniques usually not found on the Internet to protect himself from copy cats etc. What he does also requires exploring and diving deep into math formulas etc. or parameter sets. and people like these professors were than often surprised at what he could do with their tools and his workflow. Decades ago he wrote also a path tracer, which yielded back at that time awesome results, but he gained also nothing from that, same goes for 3D printing.
Are you saying people are leaving the maker philosophy of sharing crafting resources because they aren't haven success as entrepreuners? Those things your friend built sound lots of fun.
I didn't really know; when did that happen? It is so strange to me, this is very much not what I expect, although I'm kind of confused :)
I can't tell you. I am not that long on this ML and when I meet the Cypherpunks way back in the early '90s it was on Usenet and via personal email.
Mm, maybe this is not the the real list or something.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 11:22 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:40 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:14 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool, Stefan.
Thanks Karl.
Oh, very interesting and indeed 3D with 3D printing cool things can be done.
:)
Well, I can tell you my friend Jotero (Torolf Sauermann from Hannover, Germany), is probably the worlds top ace if it comes to computer generated math art model, including fractals and procedural stuff.
But unfortunately (he is a really nice person) he was many times ripped-off from big companies and others and he nowadays is only on Instagram, showing his artworks) He is AFAIK also well connected to other aces in this field, but it never helped him. Simply google for him and if you like to contact him (he understands English) I can give you his email address.
But where is the source code repository for people to combine their work together?
Real Artist in this field have no repositories like GitHub, Gitlab etc. to my knowledge.
University Professors in this field have sometimes free software on their webpage or upon request.
This is crazy what you say, is the year 1999? How did this happen?
I can tell you only what I observed over the years.
Github presently has over 73 million developers and 4 million organizations, codeberg.org has 10k repositories, gitlab has over 100k organizations. Some of those developers must be 3d printing artists sharing code.
Yes, sure and those developers doing 3D printing or computer graphics in one form or another have also repositories there.
In the case of my friend Jotero he uses a combination of licensed and nowadays mostly Open Source tools, where he combines techniques usually not found on the Internet to protect himself from copy cats etc. What he does also requires exploring and diving deep into math formulas etc. or parameter sets. and people like these professors were than often surprised at what he could do with their tools and his workflow. Decades ago he wrote also a path tracer, which yielded back at that time awesome results, but he gained also nothing from that, same goes for 3D printing.
Are you saying people are leaving the maker philosophy of sharing crafting resources because they aren't haven success as entrepreuners?
No I am not saying this. The maker scene as I understood it in the 3D printing field are doing cool projects, no doubt, but they are to my knowledge not self-trained and talented artists who produce artwork, if you accept the term artwork for digital stuff.
Those things your friend built sound lots of fun.
Indeed. Since you are a nice person I can give you a little tip, in case you are interested in. You can program and you know about computer graphics. If you would write an open source or commercial software (standalone app) which can either to 3D texture synthesis[1] or the creation of traditional [2]bas-reliefs, your life will probably change in a cool direction. [1] Texture Synthesis in 3D is an international Research field, where students or professors only release .pdf documents and some of them have patents ... 3D bas-reliefs are also, if you study this topic a very interesting market. I developed years ago a technique to do them, which gave excellent results, which commercial or open source software could never archive and only 3D Artist, capable of modeling 3D bas-relief had the same results. I had also a tutorial for that (for free) never made a dime with that and when I lost it (no back-up) I received internationally often requests how to do that. You can check the quality of them at my behance Gallery. https://behance.net/futagoza Regards Stefan
Real Artist in this field have no repositories like GitHub, Gitlab etc. to my knowledge.
University Professors in this field have sometimes free software on their webpage or upon request.
This is crazy what you say, is the year 1999? How did this happen?
I can tell you only what I observed over the years.
Github presently has over 73 million developers and 4 million organizations, codeberg.org has 10k repositories, gitlab has over 100k organizations. Some of those developers must be 3d printing artists sharing code.
Yes, sure and those developers doing 3D printing or computer graphics in one form or another have also repositories there.
Are you saying people are leaving the maker philosophy of sharing crafting resources because they aren't haven success as entrepreuners?
No I am not saying this. The maker scene as I understood it in the 3D printing field are doing cool projects, no doubt, but they are to my knowledge not self-trained and talented artists who produce artwork, if you accept the term artwork for digital stuff.
That is not my experience. I've rented space in a makerspace, and there was a dense population of self-trained and talented artists there. Things one would never find elsewhere, each rented area completely different from the last. No procedural fractal-styled objects though, nor working robots. Maybe different in other areas.
Those things your friend built sound lots of fun.
Indeed.
Since you are a nice person I can give you a little tip, in case you are interested in. You can program and you know about computer graphics. If you would write an open source or commercial software (standalone app) which can either to 3D texture synthesis[1] or the creation of traditional [2]bas-reliefs, your life will probably change in a cool direction.
[1] Texture Synthesis in 3D is an international Research field, where students or professors only release .pdf documents and some of them have patents ...
I found https://github.com/JorgeGtz/SolidTextureNets from paperswithcode . It's demo code containing a pretrained model from 2020, looks like they didn't remember to specify a license.
3D bas-reliefs are also, if you study this topic a very interesting market. I developed years ago a technique to do them, which gave excellent results, which commercial or open source software could never archive and only 3D Artist, capable of modeling 3D bas-relief had the same results. I had also a tutorial for that (for free) never made a dime with that and when I lost it (no back-up) I received internationally often requests how to do that. You can check the quality of them at my behance Gallery.
What do you mean by 3D bas-relief? I imagine a bas-relief as a surface with indentations that appear like a picture. Wouldn't this be a pretty simple task to generate?
I found your bas-relief work at https://www.behance.net/gallery/62753223/Bas-reliefs-from-3D-models and I infer that one ends up running into unexpected problems when trying a naive approach.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 12:26 AM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I found https://github.com/JorgeGtz/SolidTextureNets from paperswithcode . It's demo code containing a pretrained model from 2020, looks like they didn't remember to specify a license.
Cool, but ... This stuff is for researchers and programmers in this field and uses OpenGL for models, as understood. If you would be interest in writing such a program and would be then globally a hero you would have to do the following: People using 3D software for modeling and texturing almost all of them use the .obj mesh format and in case for 3D color prints the .wrl format, .obj should work as well and people can convert between them. The workflow would be then to load a mesh model (watertight) with probably UV coordinates for the texture map (.png file format for good quality) and then do the 3D texture synthesis with the .png file, so that later the new .png output file which could be saved then have all the information (according to UV coordinates) that represents texture tiles, which then when later applied to the 3D model is seamless, when reloaded (the model and the new 3D texture) in peoples favority 3D modelling app. If you could write that so that you have a binary executable standalone app, you are the king, for the global community. :-) Regards Stefan
What you ask here is not complicated at all, but it is hard for me to do. I refuse to be the king, but I am interested in helping.
Eh the code requires pytorch. My pytorch is broken atm because I have python 3.10 and pytorch binaries are only made for python 3.9, so I have to figure out how to build it from source successfully. Maybe I'll come back to this.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:03 AM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Eh the code requires pytorch. My pytorch is broken atm because I have python 3.10 and pytorch binaries are only made for python 3.9, so I have to figure out how to build it from source successfully. Maybe I'll come back to this.
Ok, no problem. Regards Stefan
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