thepiratebay.org behind cloudflare
...looks as if the whole 'internet' is already owned by cloudflare? It's mildly interesting because it shows that it's rather easy to route most of the world's traffic through a single system - contrary to all the bullshit about 'decentralization' 'complexity' and whatnot.
On 04/30/2017 03:04 PM, juan wrote:
...looks as if the whole 'internet' is already owned by cloudflare? It's mildly interesting because it shows that it's rather easy to route most of the world's traffic through a single system - contrary to all the bullshit about 'decentralization' 'complexity' and whatnot.
A few years ago *someone* took an axe or some such to a fiber optic bundle in the SF Bay area and killed the internet for all the bay area south to Salinas. This is exactly what is NOT supposed to happen. Right? I don't think there's been a decentralized Internet since AOL first appeared. But it works... For them. Now days Warner, part of AOL Time Warner, seems to sniff all torrent packets going through their portals for Warner content and notifies downstream admins. But about piratebay https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/561583278319501313 Reddit (warning; thread title links to piratebay): https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2uaxqz/after_being_down_for_51_... BTW, the .org site is easliy reachable this morning from my location. I had been using the .red mirror b/c the .org site was 'down' all the time. Rr
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I don't think there's been a decentralized Internet since AOL first appeared. But it works... For them. Now days Warner, part of AOL Time Warner, seems to sniff all torrent packets going through their portals for Warner content and notifies downstream admins.
A much more economical attack where seed boxes operated by hostile parties record IP addresses of connecting users was the dominant torrent surveillance model for a long time. Typically, a comically self-mutilating corporation (thou shalt not promote our product to a wide audience at no cost to us) would provide a contractor with a list of "intellectual property" items to monitor and report on. Either the contractor would blackmail the account holders at those IP addresses, or refer them to their ISPs for hostile action. I recall a study from maybe 10 years ago, indicating that then-availble blocklists of known and probable "troll" IPs were around 90% effective. Got pointers to any more current information, especially regarding inspection of data in transit? Inquiring minds wants to know... :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJZB1ZbAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqhgEH/0D16jxEQ89gMBiQbtD3ahR6 IMtyVa7dAvxmf8g2C0NT7/drER9NtbYlO4R1lYV2mB3thKH4FdlOwp7Sf8zlA1F5 /tu1QqSS6tCSSvUJvrtuy01jDGisEbKn3FijFkDO1cv6p4kM1VyhSSjF3w8HNJ1x hItcr5mX/XFaLlIt/k3gaMWcYyPBnU3UnwMnB2hRvC61ZAw+chPRmO5yxUk8TRD7 nb5sCf2A5iZax/JjHM7UHwZ+dlRczYzX/quuGmvOToLTBxF8AlB1D6AhogBHJGMY UGJ+VCYcXHhKDr00a9DBzVFs2PK1KhRxCtnDUEhKKXe04plrQz8h98vYUWClMJA= =CURf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 05/01/2017 08:38 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 05/01/2017 10:36 AM, Razer wrote:
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I don't think there's been a decentralized Internet since AOL first appeared. But it works... For them. Now days Warner, part of AOL Time Warner, seems to sniff all torrent packets going through their portals for Warner content and notifies downstream admins.
A much more economical attack where seed boxes operated by hostile parties record IP addresses of connecting users was the dominant torrent surveillance model for a long time. Typically, a comically self-mutilating corporation (thou shalt not promote our product to a wide audience at no cost to us) would provide a contractor with a list of "intellectual property" items to monitor and report on. Either the contractor would blackmail the account holders at those IP addresses, or refer them to their ISPs for hostile action.
I recall a study from maybe 10 years ago, indicating that then-availble blocklists of known and probable "troll" IPs were around 90% effective.
Got pointers to any more current information, especially regarding inspection of data in transit? Inquiring minds wants to know...
:o)
All I know is that the computer lab for seniors I was volunteering at, which utilizes a local ISP, was notified that SOMEONE using their services had torrented a Warner content file. I assume the upstream provider for the local ISP is AOL which would explain why the only time we were ever notified about a 'torrentviolator' was in regard to Warner content, a music video which could have just as easily been downloaded from YouTube direct using Jdownloader or similar. Rr
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I assume the upstream provider for the local ISP is AOL which would explain why the only time we were ever notified about a 'torrentviolator' was in regard to Warner content,
Warner in particular, are very keen on monitoring torrents, and pay various third parties to monitor swarms and extract IP addresses of anyone sharing their content. The third party contractors then look at who owns the relevant block, and sends a notification to that ISP (it's normally automated). It's less likely to be because AOL was upstream than it is simply a product of the fact that Warner are absolutely shit-hot on trying to keep on top of their content being shared (for all the good it does). They don't notice and catch everyone, but IME they've got a far better detection rate than other publishers. -- Ben Tasker https://www.bentasker.co.uk
On May 1, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Ben Tasker <ben@bentasker.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I assume the upstream provider for the local ISP is AOL which would explain why the only time we were ever notified about a 'torrentviolator' was in regard to Warner content,
Warner in particular, are very keen on monitoring torrents, and pay various third parties to monitor swarms and extract IP addresses of anyone sharing their content. The third party contractors then look at who owns the relevant block, and sends a notification to that ISP (it's normally automated).
It's less likely to be because AOL was upstream than it is simply a product of the fact that Warner are absolutely shit-hot on trying to keep on top of their content being shared (for all the good it does).
They don't notice and catch everyone, but IME they've got a far better detection rate than other publishers.
-- Ben Tasker https://www.bentasker.co.uk
There's a huge number of "free" streaming sites that don't involve torrents at all, for basically anything you can find a torrent on. I'm talking about all the stuff that Kodi + exodus (or other video plugin) taps into... and used within kodi, it is free, and quite convenient. I don't know what any of the providers are doing to try to knock that shit down, but it doesn't seem to be working ;) As far as torrents go, the one time I ever got a "scary letter" it was from HBO, after I'd accidentally left something seeding for like a week. And I wasn't using a block list in transmission at the time. I've never had any trouble since, always careful to use a block list.
https://thepiratebay.org/ http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/ https://pirates-forum.org/ http://suprbayoubiexnmp.onion/ So long as filesharers / torrenters continue to refuse to move all their operations entirely and exclusively onto the darknets, they will continue to face persistant risks of shutdown and prosecution. This refusal is rather stupid given the various encrypted anonymous overlay darknets provide suitable levels of protection for them against such risks. The future of filesharing is on the darknets. Build it today.
On 05/08/2017 01:57 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://thepiratebay.org/ http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/ https://pirates-forum.org/ http://suprbayoubiexnmp.onion/
So long as filesharers / torrenters continue to refuse to move all their operations entirely and exclusively onto the darknets, they will continue to face persistant risks of shutdown and prosecution. This refusal is rather stupid given the various encrypted anonymous overlay darknets provide suitable levels of protection for them against such risks. The future of filesharing is on the darknets. Build it today.
As the multitude of popunders, overs, etc on a visit to any torrent indexing site shows, they sell ad exposure as a business model. The market has to be there or your ability to find torrents on the darknet will be limited. You need the users... and let me tell ya, stuff like i2p isn't exactly user-friendly. Most computer users today are 'appliance operators' and it has to be stupid simple, intuitive, or people simply won't use it., and yes that's the argument torproject makes for improving their suite's ui, at the expense of security improvements. Rr
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
As the multitude of popunders, overs, etc on a visit to any torrent indexing site shows, they sell ad exposure as a business model. The market has to be there or your ability to find torrents on the darknet will be limited. You need the users... and let me tell ya, stuff like i2p isn't exactly user-friendly. Most computer users today are 'appliance operators' and it has to be stupid simple, intuitive, or people simply won't use it., and yes that's the argument torproject makes for improving their suite's ui, at the expense of security improvements.
Excuses. There can be no users without builders. This is not chickenegg. Build it today.
On Mon, 8 May 2017 19:02:29 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
...and yes that's the argument torproject makes for improving their suite's ui, at the expense of security improvements.
and the UI isn't being improved either. It's now actually worse, looking like a dumbed down 'smart' phone.
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On 05/09/2017 11:12 AM, juan wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 19:02:29 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
...and yes that's the argument torproject makes for improving their suite's ui, at the expense of security improvements. and the UI isn't being improved either. It's now actually worse, looking like a dumbed down 'smart' phone.
"Dumbed down"... That's what 'appliance operators' understand as 'improved'. :-) Rr
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On Tue, 9 May 2017 11:31:06 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 05/09/2017 11:12 AM, juan wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 19:02:29 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
...and yes that's the argument torproject makes for improving their suite's ui, at the expense of security improvements. and the UI isn't being improved either. It's now actually worse, looking like a dumbed down 'smart' phone.
"Dumbed down"... That's what 'appliance operators' understand as 'improved'. :-)
Yeah, I guess "appliance operators" sums it up. Good one.
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