[cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
If that's true, JYA was being either unimaginably stupid, or unimaginably weird. Still, there was no need to publish the logs just to make a point. Redacted excerpts and hashes of the files would have been enough, no?
True and documented, and as I said in my last email - I DID REDACT THEM. John *still* denied they were real and accused me of faking them. On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:25 PM, <cypherpunks-request@cpunks.org> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:28:42 -0700 From: coderman <coderman@gmail.com> To: Michael Best <themikebest@gmail.com> Cc: cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for over a year Message-ID: < CAJVRA1RoJBTn4OaOXYKcHtyS7LwxGThpqMr5Tud4KwHUEPvFdw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
On 10/9/15, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
... 0eb8551d977dde4f4193b3a16dedcd18f01e854e371e96623d33dd5b9519e413 USB-1.rar
see attached. then xref with Tor exit db :P
best regards,
On 10/09/2015 08:31 PM, Michael Best wrote:
If that's true, JYA was being either unimaginably stupid, or unimaginably weird. Still, there was no need to publish the logs just to make a point. Redacted excerpts and hashes of the files would have been enough, no?
True and documented, and as I said in my last email - I DID REDACT THEM. John *still* denied they were real and accused me of faking them.
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point. Even if other assholes have already put that stuff out there. Documenting JYA's fuckup was fine. Just as with any bug, vulnerability, etc. But as I've said a few times, publishing the data was unwarranted.
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:28:42 -0700 From: coderman <coderman@gmail.com> To: Michael Best <themikebest@gmail.com> Cc: cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for over a year Message-ID: < CAJVRA1RoJBTn4OaOXYKcHtyS7LwxGThpqMr5Tud4KwHUEPvFdw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
On 10/9/15, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
... 0eb8551d977dde4f4193b3a16dedcd18f01e854e371e96623d33dd5b9519e413 USB-1.rar
see attached. then xref with Tor exit db :P
best regards,
refused to acknowledge or fix the leak at that point ... that stubbornness was far more imprudent and damaging
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point. Even if other assholes have already put that stuff out there.
... some important truths in the business.
Still michael best you could have consulted the list here That someone calls you a liar therefor you act is an ego based mindset Answer why you decided to not consult this list that has profoundly smart beings on it You could have asked this list for help we are interested in helping with such matters i would say and you could have done so without revealing info ... did this never cross your mind ? If it never even crossed your mind to consult us i find there is something terribly wrong On Oct 10, 2015 8:28 AM, "grarpamp" <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
refused to acknowledge or fix the leak at that point ... that stubbornness was far more imprudent and damaging
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point. Even if other assholes have already put that stuff out there.
... some important truths in the business.
Thats fucking mirimir seconding grarpamp i fourth that shit so theres fucked up then theres fucked-fucked up Not ok - then you dont come to the list with an ask but say you did ? Everything leaks but dont be the one leaking it - the determinant leaker axiom On Oct 10, 2015 8:00 PM, "Razer" <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 10/09/2015 07:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point.
Seconding Grarpamp on this.
No no grarpamp seconding mirimir ... fucking right brain power over .... On Oct 10, 2015 11:24 PM, carimachet@gmail.com wrote:
Thats fucking mirimir seconding grarpamp i fourth that shit so theres fucked up then theres fucked-fucked up
Not ok - then you dont come to the list with an ask but say you did ?
Everything leaks but dont be the one leaking it - the determinant leaker axiom On Oct 10, 2015 8:00 PM, "Razer" <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 10/09/2015 07:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point.
Seconding Grarpamp on this.
Dnia sobota, 10 października 2015 09:58:44 Razer pisze:
On 10/09/2015 07:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point.
Seconding Grarpamp on this.
Are you saying John Young shouldn't have published the server logs in the first place? Can't agree more! -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 10/10/2015 01:40 PM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia sobota, 10 października 2015 09:58:44 Razer pisze:
On 10/09/2015 07:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point. Seconding Grarpamp on this. Are you saying John Young shouldn't have published the server logs in the first place? Can't agree more!
I'm saying neither of them should do so, yes. RR Ps. I still don't know what the motivation for JYA's giving/selling the logs, but I'm pretty sure of the other party's motivations.
Dnia sobota, 10 października 2015 14:06:32 Razer pisze:
On 10/10/2015 01:40 PM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia sobota, 10 października 2015 09:58:44 Razer pisze:
On 10/09/2015 07:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point.
Seconding Grarpamp on this.
Are you saying John Young shouldn't have published the server logs in the first place? Can't agree more!
I'm saying neither of them should do so, yes.
Well, what was Michael Best supposed to do, then? He provided redacted examples, and was accused of mangling/falsifying the data. I would love to hear your solution.
Ps. I still don't know what the motivation for JYA's giving/selling the logs,
I'm perfectly fine with "this got missed unintentionally"; but I am unclear whith why JYA was denying/slandering MB later on, instead of admitting shit happened, fixing it and moving on.
but I'm pretty sure of the other party's motivations.
And that is? -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 10/10/2015 02:40 PM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia sobota, 10 października 2015 09:58:44 Razer pisze:
On 10/09/2015 07:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point.
Seconding Grarpamp on this.
Are you saying John Young shouldn't have published the server logs in the first place? Can't agree more!
I'm saying that nobody should have published Cryptome weblogs. But for JYA, it was apparently carelessness. For Mike, it was apparently recklessness. Maybe the effect was the same. And both are avoidable. But they're not the same.
I second mirimir Plus no ask to the list but said asked the list and if the point of the reveal was to protect the community (fr john) then why was that act > protecting the community > avoided by mike On Oct 11, 2015 2:16 AM, "Mirimir" <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 10/10/2015 02:40 PM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia sobota, 10 października 2015 09:58:44 Razer pisze:
On 10/09/2015 07:56 PM, Mirimir wrote:
In my world, people don't publish stuff that puts their [friends, allies, fellow travelers, etc] at risk. Even to make a point.
Seconding Grarpamp on this.
Are you saying John Young shouldn't have published the server logs in the first place? Can't agree more!
I'm saying that nobody should have published Cryptome weblogs. But for JYA, it was apparently carelessness. For Mike, it was apparently recklessness. Maybe the effect was the same. And both are avoidable. But they're not the same.
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