Re: There's this really kewl mesh network that's being deployed world-wide...
On July 5, 2015 8:46:53 AM Seth <list@sysfu.com> wrote:
This is true. For those that don't have the time or desire or watch, some takeaways:
TY for the summary. I block all things goog but suspected this was the topic; agree with your comments. Yes, because they have neglected the basic infrastructure for decades & discourage the use of individual solar/etc., some otherwise sensible people are welcoming the idea of these spy boxes - because their bullshit propaganda is designed to appeal to those of us who are concerned about the environment. Oh sure, why would I mind if "the grid" reschedules my laundry to an "off-peak" time? It'll save me money (*always* the hook, if the environmental concern-troll act fails), and I'm not home anyway, right? Oh wait, they know when I'm not home... they also know: when I wake up, which appliances I use and when, whether I have had an overnight guest, when I leave and for how long I am gone, (which they can combine with transit pass records- which some employers have integrated with electronic, RFID-polluted work IDs so there is almost no avoiding it unless you take active measures to do so, which then invites further spook scrutiny), credit card purchases and surveillance cam info (interconnected by TrapWire [0] to know where I've been & what I've been doing all day, so even if you leave your universal tracking device at home, walk/bike everywhere and pay with cash/BTC, you are still tracked-as-fuck), when I get home, what I read or watch and listen to, when I go to sleep, and with whom ... If your municipality hasn't yet deployed these spy boxes, do what you can to slow their roll out! Is this what you want (in addition to the very real detrimental health effects already mentioned?) I live in one of the most liberal, progressive cities around and initially they'd treated us as some conspiracy theorists when a few of us raised concerns about the unnecessary collection of data, the security of the transmission of said data & who will have access to it and the health concerns. Now they've been scheduling dog & pony show community meetings to "address our concerns," and attending one probably puts you on the same list as going to a 2600 meeting... They are supposed to begin the deployment of these spy boxes here in 2016-17 and I'll be damned if they'll put one on my abode. For being such an inconvenient troublemaker, they'll charge $50 or more per billing cycle (final amount is as yet undecided.) This is total bullshit. They can upgrade "the grid" without making it a universal spying network, but why would they when sheeple don't complain and push back? [0] https://publicintelligence.net/unravelling-trapwire/ http://www.wired.com/2012/08/trapwire-strafor-biz/ -S
The biggest takeaway is that jig is up with the current business model of centralized power distribution. The growth of decentralized power production (home solar etc) is driving a stake into the heart of the beast.
The power company execs know this openly admit as much. So they are changing business models to one of CENTRALIZED DATA HARVESTING AND SURVEILLANCE.
'smart meters' are a massive and global offensive thrust of the 'Internet of Things' surveillance state and control grid directly into the home. They form a mesh network on the 900Mhz band. They are supposed to have 2.4Ghz radio (not yet widely activated) for extracting surveillance data and controlling 'smart' appliances in the home.
I use the term 'smart' in quotes because it is a goddamn propaganda term and needs to be replaced in the popular culture as soon as possible with something more apt and mocking, say 'evil-genius'. I will use the term 'evil-genius' meters from now on.
Anyways, these evil-genius meters douse your house with something on the order of 40,000 microwave pulses a day. The meters are built in China, and allegedly have not had any real safety testing done on them.
The AC-DC converters used to power the evil genius brain in these devices is supposedly a crap one and generates a significant power waste along with 'dirty electricity' (that is a choppy or rough sine wave instead of smooth clean one) which radiates throughout the home via the electrical wiring.
The legal principle of 'implied consent' being used to justify the stealth installation of the meters world wide is a very shaky one. The vast majority of people that are having these meters installed on their homes by the power company are complete unaware of what is going on. It's a classic trojan horse.
It's also a contractual violation. To have a valid contract there must be an offer, consideration, and acceptance. There is none of this with the evil-genius meter roll-outs. They simply are putting them in without asking the customer for permission.
Depending on the jurisdiction, you can refuse the evil-genius meter, but then you're hit with an extortionate monthly 'meter reading' fee, which was not charged before the evil-genius meter roll-out began.
Some people in the Los Angeles area that have refused evil-genius meter installation, have been locked into months long battle with the utility company and consequently LIVING WITHOUT ELECTRICITY for months on end. Now that is some crazy shit, now matter how you slice it.
WHY are the companies so adamant about having these devices installed to the point where they're willing to cut off a resister's power for months on end, and foregoing that revenue? Perhaps to make an example out of them?
I could go on and on.
If you anybody that sleeps in a room next to one of these devices, *especially* if they are pregnant women or young children, get them the fuck away from it as soon as possible, ideally by having the device removed and replaced with an analog one, or by changing rooms or living locations.
On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:38:14 -0700, Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org> wrote:
TY for the summary. I block all things goog but suspected this was the topic; agree with your comments.
Glad someone found it helpful. I've actually been meaning to post more viewing notes along with interesting videos that I think are worth sharing, with the aim of being more respectful of people's time. Still working on the discipline to take notes while viewing. It's a bit like disciplining yourself to take pictures when you're traveling. There's always a feeling of "oh man, this is a hassle and I just want to enjoy the moment without fussing with a camera." But you're always glad you took pictures later on. Regarding blocking of all things goog: Until I get my own MediaGoblin instance up and running I can try repost videos on a service that's a tad less an arm of the surveillance state. I was thinking of inserting the content into the new Alexandria project. If you have any other suggestions let me know.
Yes, because they have neglected the basic infrastructure for decades & discourage the use of individual solar/etc., some otherwise sensible people are welcoming the idea of these spy boxes - because their bullshit propaganda is designed to appeal to those of us who are concerned about the environment.
Oh sure, why would I mind if "the grid" reschedules my laundry to an "off-peak" time? It'll save me money (*always* the hook, if the environmental concern-troll act fails), and I'm not home anyway, right?
Electricity is a unique commodity in that it's not that efficient to store, so I can see the logit in trying to shift usage to off peak times. The engineer Rob States from the other follow-up vid I posted says that utilities could save 30% on power transmission by switching to superconductor high tension lines.
Oh wait, they know when I'm not home...
they also know: when I wake up, which appliances I use and when, whether I have had an overnight guest, when I leave and for how long I am gone, (which they can combine with transit pass records- which some employers have integrated with electronic, RFID-polluted work IDs so there is almost no avoiding it unless you take active measures to do so, which then invites further spook scrutiny), credit card purchases and surveillance cam info (interconnected by TrapWire [0] to know where I've been & what I've been doing all day, so even if you leave your universal tracking device at home, walk/bike everywhere and pay with cash/BTC, you are still tracked-as-fuck), when I get home, what I read or watch and listen to, when I go to sleep, and with whom ...
If your municipality hasn't yet deployed these spy boxes, do what you can to slow their roll out! Is this what you want (in addition to the very real detrimental health effects already mentioned?)
I live in one of the most liberal, progressive cities around and initially they'd treated us as some conspiracy theorists when a few of us raised concerns about the unnecessary collection of data, the security of the transmission of said data & who will have access to it and the health concerns. Now they've been scheduling dog & pony show community meetings to "address our concerns," and attending one probably puts you on the same list as going to a 2600 meeting...
Agree with all this. If you can grow a beard, start farming it! haha.
They are supposed to begin the deployment of these spy boxes here in 2016-17 and I'll be damned if they'll put one on my abode.
Time to start whipping up some suspicion and discontent with the peasants beforehand, I'd say. I would like to live in a culture of resistance where the prevalent mindset is always "Hmm, big mega corp 'X' or gov is trying to roll out such and such product/service/program/legislation. How are they trying to fuck us in the ass this time?"
For being such an inconvenient troublemaker, they'll charge $50 or more per billing cycle (final amount is as yet undecided.)
$50 a billing cycle is outrageous. Depending on the laws where you live, you might be best served by communication your refusal via registered mail or whatever the equivalent is in your area. Takebackyourpower.net has lots of resources for how to properly serve the electrical company with a refusal notice so that you will maintain the best legal position to dispute the extortion charges they try to punish you with.
This is total bullshit. They can upgrade "the grid" without making it a universal spying network, but why would they when sheeple don't complain and push back?
I think there's a lot of push-back happening, we're on the cusp and it's gaining momentum every day. three people on my street have already gone back to analogue a long time ago, and I'm approaching three more neighbors with the hopes of convincing them to do the same. I might even be going door to door and distributing copies of the 'Take Back your Power' documentary.
On 7/5/15, Seth <list@sysfu.com> wrote:
... Glad someone found it helpful. I've actually been meaning to post more viewing notes along with interesting videos that I think are worth sharing, with the aim of being more respectful of people's time.
abridged & annotated selections would be quite useful! perhaps a way to coordinate efforts (thinking of CCC dead trees, too) looking over just CCC and DEF CON archives, it is months to cull...
Electricity is a unique commodity in that it's not that efficient to store, so I can see the logit in trying to shift usage to off peak times.
private storage - excluding cost, pair of 8 x tesla home storage on each side of garage - even active household could just "top off" every other day on grid. power co sees transient peak loads conveying no information about household activity other than aggregate daily consumption. eventually you'll transition to all decentralized renewable generation? now if only we could steadily improve earth humans, like we improve technology :) best regards,
Depending on who owns the meter and the box it plugs into and what the contract says... don't remove it, build a faraday cage around it.
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Depending on who owns the meter and the box it plugs into and what the contract says... don't remove it, build a faraday cage around it.
Check the specs on the thing before trusting a cage - utility companies have been sending C&C signals over power lines forever. I had a PC sound system amp that could pick some of that up as occasional little zap-zap-zap-zap bursts of compressed TTY noise. The house had some kind of power management gear hooked up to the meter, putting a UPS on the line stopped the noise, QED. (More or less, didn't have an o-scope so I can't prove nothing.) :D -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVmuuYAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0LEBcP/0j9NLU9Kw/8+m1JdAOKs8YY V/eY28YOE/YS4jlz5KmJgxKjQZceUkiw6RsqIBbiNRDiCh/GsW5QOQcbpOPjtL/o sAZ2Dw5liWaDYxQzNRtS62IjezQbpkDvuF+HAWp3nZ+NW0OFEGliWhNH3DEvaZcG IMcKAN84rvNMsXrYwZpTQLKpzmVm/mnvzfgsKXr6e4c4MzlbO6K55iFlNLp3/Qoy zMnYLvTOqQ/brPURfC91mxYVz2qh9eKEBTV5EJrviU5Pm/1Ao3IWFQofN9gjZXQ7 O+GUFZUjHVhhJpnnvGDwmfDLcr3a0PUqz5PVW2SZZdUYsZvDskPKjg1EsW4qRAuV zqktEqR4UTZL/9oF3sZ7mF3T+NSKDEYd5vMZ5JycCKfqlXeSNn/1FoVKR8hXvjsf jAiYC7T00h5aUwJiTWkfkuobaQ92+TjNN/NJUcsmosf5V9Ztl859bAbYVyyLZRJg WwzG6chzgTBvBtsbNtC2vcvmQJdxRvSWfqnmRa7f10Y8KV+iWl7tU2nuOvrxoI9w 8yw6a3PRZ1mgYBqvsMVJWMvHGaWzgO5QnbwJhrZcD3L5hwXrIDMb9G1emc6i51/W zjraZR7z1qx+QNwVvWJYALOG4YlSQ/v5uGpTs6JkIiqWETndIIF3q+HzAfIPtnrH M3bD+nUK1J9spyPnUxi0 =gOte -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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