Cypherpunks: Jim Bell meets Sumitomo Electric
Jim Bell meets Sumitomo Electric at Seattle. I am driving to Seattle today to meet executives from Sumitomo Electric. https://global-sei.com/ They are one of the major manufacturers of optical waveguides. (fiber optics). https://global-sei.com/products/optical-fiber/ Sumitomo Electric has the distinction of having achieved the world record for optical waveguide loss, currently about 0.1419 dB/kilometer at 1560 nanometers. (This is apparently a laboratory result, not production.) https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=8267035 It beats one of its biggest competitors, Corning https://www.corning.com/worldwide/en/products/communication-networks/product... primarily because Sumitomo employs a pure-silica fiber core, with a fluorine-doped cladding, whereas Corning has long employed a pure-silica cladding, with the core doped with germanium. One of Sumitomo's fibers, Z+150 has a production loss of 0.152 dB/km One of Corning's fibers, has a specified loss of less than 0.17 dB/km at 1550 nanometers wavelength. (A production result, not laboratory.) Into this 30 year+ competition I come, like a veritable bull in the technical china-shop. I got the attention of Sumitomo by using LinkedIn to send about 100 of their employees on Monday (as well as a couple thousand others at Corning, YOFC, OFS, Prysmian, ZTT, Hengtong, Nokia, Fujikura, Furukawa, Futong, Fiberhome, Ciena, Huawei Marine, and SubCom) a statement: "Your company should be selling a silica single-mode optical waveguide with a loss of 0.001 dB/kilometer. You'll think that's impossible but I know how to do it.https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/optical-waveguide-0001-dbkm-loss-even-10x-les... (What I have not yet mentioned is my belief that rather than the usual silica-fiber transmission "sweet spot" being about 1500-1600 nanometers, useful transmission will likely occur from 600-2000+ nanometer wavelength. This will keep fiber transmitter and receiver manufacturers busy for years!) Well, THAT got Sumitomo's attention !!! What I proposed amounted to, in their industry, a leprechaun saddled on a unicorn, itself standing on the back of a winged-pig. Flying. Jim Bell
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:47 PM, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: ...
Into this 30 year+ competition I come, like a veritable bull in the technical china-shop. I got the attention of Sumitomo by using LinkedIn to send about 100 of their employees on Monday (as well as a couple thousand others at Corning, YOFC, OFS, Prysmian, ZTT, Hengtong, Nokia, Fujikura, Furukawa, Futong, Fiberhome, Ciena, Huawei Marine, and SubCom) a statement:
"Your company should be selling a silica single-mode optical waveguide with a loss of 0.001 dB/kilometer. You'll think that's impossible but I know how to do it. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/optical-waveguide-0001-dbkm-loss-even-10x-les...
(What I have not yet mentioned is my belief that rather than the usual silica-fiber transmission "sweet spot" being about 1500-1600 nanometers, useful transmission will likely occur from 600-2000+ nanometer wavelength. This will keep fiber transmitter and receiver manufacturers busy for years!)
Well, THAT got Sumitomo's attention !!! What I proposed amounted to, in their industry, a leprechaun saddled on a unicorn, itself standing on the back of a winged-pig. Flying.
good luck! report back :)
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 04:47:49PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
Jim Bell meets Sumitomo Electric at Seattle.
good luck! if the japanese (fucked fukushima) don't work, try spamming some chinese comrades, i hear they do cheap hardware. at worst you will find one more way that doesn't work.
On 9/12/19, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jim Bell meets Sumitomo Electric at Seattle.
In addition to protecting your interest... Be sure to negotiate... on behalf of the Worldwide Mesh and Guerrilla Network P2P Community... donations of all their off-spec reject spools of fiber that are otherwise unsaleable to prime buyers... as drop shipments throughout the world to all the lists of Maker and Hacker Spaces. Shipping it probably costs less than remanufacturing or disposing it, spaces with docks could help cover shipping, and it's for a good cause.
useful transmission will likely occur from 600-2000+ nanometer This will keep fiber transmitter and receiver manufacturers busy for years!)
Especially busy supplying the billion terminals needed for individual residents and landowners to link the world independantly with a new distributed P2P mesh free from corporate and government control.
What I proposed amounted to a leprechaun saddled on a unicorn, itself standing on the back of a winged-pig. Flying.
Yes my friends, pigs will indeed fly.
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 01:45:22 PM PDT, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote: On 9/12/19, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jim Bell meets Sumitomo Electric at Seattle.
What I proposed amounted to a leprechaun saddled on a unicorn, itself standing on the back of a winged-pig. Flying.
Yes my friends, pigs will indeed fly. Somebody just informed me... It looks like somebody else's fibers will "fly" even higher than a winged-pig. Apparently, somebody is planning to manufacture silica waveguides in space, at the ISS.https://madeinspace.us/capabilities-and-technology/fiber-optics/
https://www.wired.com/story/the-best-place-to-make-undersea-cables-might-be-... https://upward.issnationallab.org/the-race-to-manufacture-zblan/ https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/09/06/optical-fibre-ma... Copied from somewhere: " bandwith broadening "from near-IR to mid-IR" And a theoretical loss of less than 0.05 dB/kilometer.Wide transmission window (Near-IR to Mid-IR) Theoretical attenuation < .05dB/km @ 1550 µmOptimal light transmissionDramatic reduction in dispersion and absorption" [end of quote" A very interesting thing is that ALL these characteristics are very suspiciously similar to the improvements that my composition fiber should provide. While I don't doubt that making them in microgravity would be an improvement to the mechanical fiber, I really doubt that a ordinary-composition silica fiber would (if made at the ISS) result in "near-IR to Mid-IR" transmission window. At this point, I suspect that they are using my formulation, and making it in space. I wish they had informed me of this, to get me credit. But that raises yet another issue: If THAT'S what they are doing, they presumably did build MY fiber before, here on Earth. I'd sure like to see the results!! And somehow, I doubt that the extra improvement of making it in space will be worthwhile. Keep in mind that sending materials to and from the ISS is quite expensive. While fiber is light, the amount of fiber needed to supply the entire world will be hugely expensive. Jim Bell
Okay, I found this. It refers to a "fluoride-based" optical fiber. https://madeinspace.us/capabilities-and-technology/fiber-optics/ And, it includes: "Advantages Over Fibers Manufactured on Earth - Wide transmission window (Near-IR to Mid-IR) - Theoretical attenuation < .05dB/km @ 1550 µm - Optimal light transmission - Dramatic reduction in dispersion and absorption Fibers made of a heavily-fluoride composition have long been known to produce very low losses. But they are notoriously expensive, in part because they are hard to make. (Note: I am not referring to the fibers made by Sumitomo Electric, which use fluorine-doping in the cladding to reduce the index of refraction.) In this "horse race", I will win. My fiber should produce all of the benefits listed above, with no space-trip needed. Jim Bell On Friday, September 13, 2019, 12:40:06 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 01:45:22 PM PDT, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote: On 9/12/19, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jim Bell meets Sumitomo Electric at Seattle.
What I proposed amounted to a leprechaun saddled on a unicorn, itself standing on the back of a winged-pig. Flying.
Yes my friends, pigs will indeed fly. Somebody just informed me... It looks like somebody else's fibers will "fly" even higher than a winged-pig. Apparently, somebody is planning to manufacture silica waveguides in space, at the ISS.https://madeinspace.us/capabilities-and-technology/fiber-optics/
https://www.wired.com/story/the-best-place-to-make-undersea-cables-might-be-... https://upward.issnationallab.org/the-race-to-manufacture-zblan/ https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/09/06/optical-fibre-ma... Copied from somewhere: " bandwith broadening "from near-IR to mid-IR" And a theoretical loss of less than 0.05 dB/kilometer.Wide transmission window (Near-IR to Mid-IR) Theoretical attenuation < .05dB/km @ 1550 µmOptimal light transmissionDramatic reduction in dispersion and absorption" [end of quote" A very interesting thing is that ALL these characteristics are very suspiciously similar to the improvements that my composition fiber should provide. While I don't doubt that making them in microgravity would be an improvement to the mechanical fiber, I really doubt that a ordinary-composition silica fiber would (if made at the ISS) result in "near-IR to Mid-IR" transmission window. At this point, I suspect that they are using my formulation, and making it in space. I wish they had informed me of this, to get me credit. But that raises yet another issue: If THAT'S what they are doing, they presumably did build MY fiber before, here on Earth. I'd sure like to see the results!! And somehow, I doubt that the extra improvement of making it in space will be worthwhile. Keep in mind that sending materials to and from the ISS is quite expensive. While fiber is light, the amount of fiber needed to supply the entire world will be hugely expensive. Jim Bell
GREAT JOB Jim - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ -------- Original Message -------- On Sep 12, 2019, 9:47 AM, jim bell wrote:
Jim Bell meets Sumitomo Electric at Seattle.
I am driving to Seattle today to meet executives from Sumitomo Electric. https://global-sei.com/ They are one of the major manufacturers of optical waveguides. (fiber optics). https://global-sei.com/products/optical-fiber/
Sumitomo Electric has the distinction of having achieved the world record for optical waveguide loss, currently about 0.1419 dB/kilometer at 1560 nanometers. (This is apparently a laboratory result, not production.) https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=8267035
It beats one of its biggest competitors, Corning https://www.corning.com/worldwide/en/products/communication-networks/product... primarily because Sumitomo employs a pure-silica fiber core, with a fluorine-doped cladding, whereas Corning has long employed a pure-silica cladding, with the core doped with germanium. One of Sumitomo's fibers, Z+150 has a production loss of 0.152 dB/km
One of Corning's fibers, has a specified loss of less than 0.17 dB/km at 1550 nanometers wavelength. (A production result, not laboratory.)
Into this 30 year+ competition I come, like a veritable bull in the technical china-shop. I got the attention of Sumitomo by using LinkedIn to send about 100 of their employees on Monday (as well as a couple thousand others at Corning, YOFC, OFS, Prysmian, ZTT, Hengtong, Nokia, Fujikura, Furukawa, Futong, Fiberhome, Ciena, Huawei Marine, and SubCom) a statement:
"Your company should be selling a silica single-mode optical waveguide with a loss of 0.001 dB/kilometer. You'll think that's impossible but I know how to do it. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/optical-waveguide-0001-dbkm-loss-even-10x-les...
(What I have not yet mentioned is my belief that rather than the usual silica-fiber transmission "sweet spot" being about 1500-1600 nanometers, useful transmission will likely occur from 600-2000+ nanometer wavelength. This will keep fiber transmitter and receiver manufacturers busy for years!)
Well, THAT got Sumitomo's attention !!! What I proposed amounted to, in their industry, a leprechaun saddled on a unicorn, itself standing on the back of a winged-pig. Flying.
Jim Bell
Thanks for that. So far, I now have publicized this, my first isotopic invention, an amazing optical waveguide, but there is also my isotope-modified hafnium semiconductor dielectric, which will probably eventually be a bigger money-maker. The total revenue (profits) for the optical fiber industry seems to be about $60 billion/year. https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/top-suppliers/fiber-optics-manufacturers-... I think I will be entitled to at least 2% of that in the form of royalties, so I will be making at least $1.2 billion per year on that. The IC industry, at least the cutting edge of it which might use my hafnium dielectric, has profits of $200 billion per year. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/012216/worlds-top-10-semicondu... I hope, within 5 years, to make at least 1% of half of $200 billion, or about another $1 billion per year. So, maybe a total of $2.2 billion. If even one of these inventions "works", I will probably deserve a Nobel prize. Oddly, it should probably be in Physics, rather than Chemistry, seeing that my BS from MIT (1980) is in Chemistry. One of the reasons I say this, is in comparison with a 1988 discovery of the GMR (Giant Magnetoresistance Ratio) invention, that allowed the detection of small, fast magnetic field changes, using extremely thin layers of material. That invention relatively quickly was turned into a consumer product, specifically the read-heads present on hard-drives. In 2000, a typical hard drive stored 2-4 gigabytes. Because GMR read heads began to be used, by today hard drives of 4 TERAbytes are common, and the largest one is about 16 terabytes. Without this vital application, GMR would have merely been an obscure physics curiosity. My fiber optic invention may be very important, but few people will ever see or get close to it. But my isotope-modified hafnium-dielectric invention will work in everyone's computers, everyone's smartphones. The GMR invention was awarded its Nobel prize in 2007. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_magnetoresistance Very quickly, but because it was a very important invention, and its value had been dramatically demonstrated. However, I will probably never receive a Nobel. One reason is that if I did, I would probably be one of the least, if not the least, academically-qualified candidate ever to receive a Nobel. (I actually have never checked, but it's probably true.) But the second reason is that I have no intention of waiting for them to give me an award. If I'm right, soon enough I hope to be fantastically rich, and I want to re-finance the Nobel prizes, the science ones, and perhaps add my own version of them. Alfred Nobel was rich enough to finance his awards so as to give (only) one of each, in a small number of fields, each year. That may have been sufficient in, say, 1910, but the vast increase in science and engineering since then has made one award per year wildly inadequate. And there are so many new fields, that limiting it to the few that Nobel considered important in 1896 is terribly insufficient. I am very surprised that yet another "Immensely rich individual" has not done this, but I will do it, hopefully within 5-10 years. The really rich ones shouldn't wait until they die, and I won't, either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPLNhqca0Qc Probably one of the top three funniest commercials ever to be made. I call it: "VW Funeral" There have been controversies about the failure of worthy recipients to receive any Nobel, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies . This is presumably because, in large part, there are not ENOUGH of them awarded, since they are too limited. Even Einstein never received a Nobel for his Special or General Theories of Relativity. (His award was for the photoelectric effect. Important, but not on the scale of Relativity.). This was utterly foolish. Everyone in the science field recognized the truth, and importance, of Einsteins work by 1920, especially after the effect of gravity bending light was confirmed in 1919. And, of course, the Nobel Peace prize has been awarded to entirely unworthy candidates (Obama, for perhaps the most glaringly obvious example), or to people whose only contribution to "peace" was their stopping committing war. (Sadat). _I_ should probably receive a Nobel Peace prize for my invention of "Assassination Politics", but somehow for all the people protesting war and nuclear weapons, I think I'm the only person who has actually figured out how to force everyone to stop keeping them and preventing war. After I initiate my version, and re-finance the classic Nobels, it's likely that the Nobel prize committee would not want it to look like they are simply paying me back for my generosity. So, no Nobel for me. Jim Bell On Friday, September 13, 2019, 06:04:07 PM PDT, rooty <arpspoof@protonmail.com> wrote: GREAT JOB Jim - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ -------- Original Message -------- On Sep 12, 2019, 9:47 AM, jim bell < jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: Jim Bell meets Sumitomo Electric at Seattle. I am driving to Seattle today to meet executives from Sumitomo Electric. Sumitomo Electric Industries, Ltd. | Connect with Innovation | | | | Sumitomo Electric Industries, Ltd. | Connect with Innovation A global company that contributes to the development of social infrastructure through its innovative R&D activit... | | | They are one of the major manufacturers of optical waveguides. (fiber optics). Optical fibers and optical fiber cables | Products | Sumitomo Electric Industries, Ltd. | | | | Optical fibers and optical fiber cables | Products | Sumitomo Electric I... Introduces Sumitomo Electric's optical fibers and optical fiber cables. | | | Sumitomo Electric has the distinction of having achieved the world record for optical waveguide loss, currently about 0.1419 dB/kilometer at 1560 nanometers. (This is apparently a laboratory result, not production.) IEEE Xplore Full-Text PDF: | | | | IEEE Xplore Full-Text PDF: | | | It beats one of its biggest competitors, Corning https://www.corning.com/worldwide/en/products/communication-networks/product... primarily because Sumitomo employs a pure-silica fiber core, with a fluorine-doped cladding, whereas Corning has long employed a pure-silica cladding, with the core doped with germanium. One of Sumitomo's fibers, Z+150 has a production loss of 0.152 dB/km One of Corning's fibers, has a specified loss of less than 0.17 dB/km at 1550 nanometers wavelength. (A production result, not laboratory.) Into this 30 year+ competition I come, like a veritable bull in the technical china-shop. I got the attention of Sumitomo by using LinkedIn to send about 100 of their employees on Monday (as well as a couple thousand others at Corning, YOFC, OFS, Prysmian, ZTT, Hengtong, Nokia, Fujikura, Furukawa, Futong, Fiberhome, Ciena, Huawei Marine, and SubCom) a statement: "Your company should be selling a silica single-mode optical waveguide with a loss of 0.001 dB/kilometer. You'll think that's impossible but I know how to do it.Optical waveguide with 0.001 dB/km loss? Or even 10x less?Optical fiber - Daltonium Isotopics | | | | Optical fiber - Daltonium Isotopics DO YOU WANT SINGLE-MODE OPTICAL FIBER WITH A LOSS OF 0.001 DB/KILOMETER? DON’T BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP!!! For near... | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Optical waveguide with 0.001 dB/km loss? Or even 10x less? DO YOU WANT SINGLE-MODE OPTICAL FIBER WITH A LOSS OF 0.001 DB/KILOMETER? DON'T BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP!!! For near... | | | (What I have not yet mentioned is my belief that rather than the usual silica-fiber transmission "sweet spot" being about 1500-1600 nanometers, useful transmission will likely occur from 600-2000+ nanometer wavelength. This will keep fiber transmitter and receiver manufacturers busy for years!) Well, THAT got Sumitomo's attention !!! What I proposed amounted to, in their industry, a leprechaun saddled on a unicorn, itself standing on the back of a winged-pig. Flying. Jim Bell
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