-------- Original message --------From: juan Date: 4/20/18 1:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Juggalos Joining Libertarians, Mental Sovereignty vs   Programming,  Burning Miracles On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:51:11 -0700 Razer wrote:

Juggalos Joining Libertarians... Good. This WILL destroy the racist fascist US entity called "Libertarians".

Just a reminder that Ayn Rand was a nasty little cunt racist who died on welfare.

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the bit about welfare sounds bogus. Unless she spent all the copyright money on amphetamines? which seems kinda unlikely...

She left an inheritance and didn't die broke because she took SSI money (not retirement money... non-paycheck workers can, but typically don't, pay into the SS system... so yeah, welfare) and Medicare to pay for her medical bills, or she would have. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand Rr

On 04/22/2018 10:21 PM, Douglas Lucas wrote:

I hate Ayn Rand but this frequently cited fact -- that she took social security payments -- is often cited to allegedly prove her hypocrisy. But her argument was, the government stole from her

It doesn't appear that she ever actually paid into the retirement system as a wage earner or by voluntary contribution. SSI is paid to impoverished people who never worked a day in their lives once they turn 65 for instance, or to people who drug/alcohol damage themselves, can't work, and never got enough quarters of work in to qualify for retirement benefits. My meager retirement check will be supplemented with SSI when I turn 65. According to FACT she took the money at the insistence of close acquaintances to keep her from going broke due to her medical bills. That's SSDI, again, NOT money derived for an individual's payment into the system. She was a welfare slut more than any Teenage Immigrant Welfare Mother On Drugs, who never had a chance to have best-seller books that must have made her millions. She was a hypocritical luzer, just like all Libertarians. Deluded, hypocritical, lying to themselves and others, luzers. Rr

-------- Original message --------From: Douglas Lucas Date: 4/24/18 2:11 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Juggalos Joining Libertarians, Mental Sovereignty vs Programming,   Burning Miracles My understanding is that like all gall, Social Security payments are divided into three parts: SSI, SSDI, and retirement benefits. Sometimes people think of SSDI as retirement benefits for those forced, pressured, or opting to retire early by disability qualification/identification, and SSI is available to many more but the payments are low, not enough to live on autonomously without participation in covert economies or gray market economies. A full SSI payment today is $981, more than many folks, including my, retirement benefit check. At 65 my retirement benefits, about 1/2 of minimum wage at the time my paycheck employment ended, will be brought up to that amount by supplementing it from the SSI fund. That fund is also a slush fund for certain people who are 'damaged' but not eligible for SSDI, like drug and alcohol casualties, who USED TO get SSDI, but are no longer eligible (the ones already on disability were 'grandfathered'). The thing about SSI is it's mutability. It's derived from the SS trust but there's nothing requiring it by law... meaning it could vanish and the funds allocated to other uses. Rr As many probably know, under US taxes freelancers today pay into retirement benefits, which are only available to recoup if you've served the overt economy enough for 40 "work credits". These same 40 come up if a freelancer asks for a social security statement for purposes of, e.g., estimating SSDI payments. Some individuals qualified as disabled get both SSDI and SSI, some only get one or the other. Today. https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf I don't know exactly what this was like in Rand's day, nor how she got paid royalties or advances for Fountainhead, the Gary Cooper movie based on it, etc. Seems like she liked money enough to live in NYC for much of her life. But, Rand's husband wanted to paint and drank himself to death, is the prevailing story out of the Nathaniel Branden Institute faction etc. So there's that. I assume the Ayn Rand Institute guards Rand's business contracts etc. That funny story about Peikoff trying to get back the Fountainhead manuscript pages he donated to the gubment because of his choice of words, "stealing" some of the pages etc. Razer wrote:

She was a welfare slut more than any Teenage Immigrant Welfare Mother On Drugs, who never had a chance to have best-seller books that must have  made her millions. She was a hypocritical luzer, just like all Libertarians. Deluded, hypocritical, lying to themselves and others, luzers.

This is difficult for me to parse, sounds like misogyny, except I assume there's some sarcasm/irony embedded that may make sense to you if not others. Razer wrote:

SSI is paid to impoverished people who never worked a day in their lives once they turn 65 for instance, or to people who drug/alcohol damage themselves, can't work, and never got enough quarters of work in to qualify for retirement benefits.

For "never worked a day in their lives", define work. Is straightening up one's home and volunteering for Food Not Bombs 'work' according to Razer? Douglas On 04/23/18 12:57, Razer wrote:

On 04/22/2018 10:21 PM, Douglas Lucas wrote:

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I hate Ayn Rand but this frequently cited fact -- that she took social security payments -- is often cited to allegedly prove her hypocrisy. But her argument was, the government stole from her

It doesn't appear that she ever actually paid into the retirement system as a wage earner or by voluntary contribution.

SSI is paid to impoverished people who never worked a day in their lives once they turn 65 for instance, or to people who drug/alcohol damage themselves, can't work, and never got enough quarters of work in to qualify for retirement benefits. My meager retirement check will be supplemented with SSI when I turn 65.

According to FACT she took the money at the insistence of close acquaintances to keep her from going broke due to her medical bills. That's SSDI, again, NOT money derived for an individual's payment into the system.

She was a welfare slut more than any Teenage Immigrant Welfare Mother On Drugs, who never had a chance to have best-seller books that must have made her millions. She was a hypocritical luzer, just like all Libertarians. Deluded, hypocritical, lying to themselves and others, luzers.

Rr