Vermont: Year in prison for anyone under 21 in possession of cell phone - tentative legislation
OK, so this is genuine, legitimate anti terror legislation being discussed and "genuinely considered" at the USA state level - Vermont in particular. "How daft! Surely they'll never get -that- one through?!#?" Not so fast grasshopper. After a day of mulling over such stupidity, a lonely neurone finally fired and the dawning of "Oh, they're really targetting legislated encryption back doors/ front doors, not banning of mobile phones" crossed a lonely synapse. "Ahr sooo ooo oles!" I hear you cry. This new strategy may actually be quite effective folks: - begin with legislation at state level, not federal, thus minimizing the protester base; - have a "genuine" problem: “The Internet and social media, accessed primarily through cell phones, are used to radicalize and recruit terrorists, fascists, and other extremists… Cell phones have often been used by mass shooters of younger ages for research on previous shootings.” - handle the reaction of folks to the moronic version of the legislation ("We ARE banning all mobile phones for all under 21 year olds, with up to 1 YEAR jail time for violations!") with your sigh of relief "sane" legislation: "Oh! <laughing> Of COURSE! How silly were we - yes you may keep your mobile phones - we'll just put this one little legislated back door in every comms app, the OS, the baseband OS, the CPU, the SOC, the Ethernet chip, the network stack ... and possibly also in the app store." ("Kidding, kidding - nothing to worry about, we had most of those installed for a few years now anyway, so don't let it bother you none, OK little snowflake?") - target the "maximum likelihood, minimum kickback" state, in this case Vermont: "The bill concludes that since the Vermont government has seen fit to ban under 21 use of cigarettes, alcohol, and firearms, this is the logical next step." Soap, legislated comms backdoors/ front doors in all mobile phones, starting in the backwater which almost no one ever heard of, Vermont. Suck it up buttercup. Absurdity Alert: Vermont Considers Cell Phone Ban For Under-21s, Punishable By Prison https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tech-giant-doesnt-want-anyone-offende... https://legislature.vermont.gov/Documents/2020/Docs/BILLS/S-0212/S-0212%20As... Seriously, does anyone have any possible solutions to this kind o crazy which is on the way?
Apparently, you don't have or recently had school-age children. Parents today consider their kids to have mobiles for emergencies and to keep track of their whereabouts. I think there will be huge pushback on this. On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 9:09 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
OK, so this is genuine, legitimate anti terror legislation being discussed and "genuinely considered" at the USA state level - Vermont in particular.
"How daft! Surely they'll never get -that- one through?!#?"
Not so fast grasshopper.
After a day of mulling over such stupidity, a lonely neurone finally fired and the dawning of "Oh, they're really targetting legislated encryption back doors/ front doors, not banning of mobile phones" crossed a lonely synapse.
"Ahr sooo ooo oles!" I hear you cry.
This new strategy may actually be quite effective folks:
- begin with legislation at state level, not federal, thus minimizing the protester base;
- have a "genuine" problem:
“The Internet and social media, accessed primarily through cell phones, are used to radicalize and recruit terrorists, fascists, and other extremists… Cell phones have often been used by mass shooters of younger ages for research on previous shootings.”
- handle the reaction of folks to the moronic version of the legislation ("We ARE banning all mobile phones for all under 21 year olds, with up to 1 YEAR jail time for violations!") with your sigh of relief "sane" legislation:
"Oh! <laughing> Of COURSE! How silly were we - yes you may keep your mobile phones - we'll just put this one little legislated back door in every comms app, the OS, the baseband OS, the CPU, the SOC, the Ethernet chip, the network stack ... and possibly also in the app store."
("Kidding, kidding - nothing to worry about, we had most of those installed for a few years now anyway, so don't let it bother you none, OK little snowflake?")
- target the "maximum likelihood, minimum kickback" state, in this case Vermont:
"The bill concludes that since the Vermont government has seen fit to ban under 21 use of cigarettes, alcohol, and firearms, this is the logical next step."
Soap, legislated comms backdoors/ front doors in all mobile phones, starting in the backwater which almost no one ever heard of, Vermont.
Suck it up buttercup.
Absurdity Alert: Vermont Considers Cell Phone Ban For Under-21s, Punishable By Prison
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tech-giant-doesnt-want-anyone-offende...
https://legislature.vermont.gov/Documents/2020/Docs/BILLS/S-0212/S-0212%20As...
Seriously, does anyone have any possible solutions to this kind o crazy which is on the way?
Apologies for the unclear email. I agree that it's ridiculous on the face of it. As in, would never pass any parliament - but who knows, Idiocracy in action perhaps. Do you think it might just be a back door that they will water down to "oh, we'll just put in back doors to all your encrypted apps, and you can keep your phone then" sort of thing? On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 10:32:39AM +0000, Steven Schear wrote:
Apparently, you don't have or recently had school-age children. Parents today consider their kids to have mobiles for emergencies and to keep track of their whereabouts. I think there will be huge pushback on this.
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 9:09 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
OK, so this is genuine, legitimate anti terror legislation being discussed and "genuinely considered" at the USA state level - Vermont in particular.
"How daft! Surely they'll never get -that- one through?!#?"
Not so fast grasshopper.
After a day of mulling over such stupidity, a lonely neurone finally fired and the dawning of "Oh, they're really targetting legislated encryption back doors/ front doors, not banning of mobile phones" crossed a lonely synapse.
"Ahr sooo ooo oles!" I hear you cry.
This new strategy may actually be quite effective folks:
- begin with legislation at state level, not federal, thus minimizing the protester base;
- have a "genuine" problem:
“The Internet and social media, accessed primarily through cell phones, are used to radicalize and recruit terrorists, fascists, and other extremists… Cell phones have often been used by mass shooters of younger ages for research on previous shootings.”
- handle the reaction of folks to the moronic version of the legislation ("We ARE banning all mobile phones for all under 21 year olds, with up to 1 YEAR jail time for violations!") with your sigh of relief "sane" legislation:
"Oh! <laughing> Of COURSE! How silly were we - yes you may keep your mobile phones - we'll just put this one little legislated back door in every comms app, the OS, the baseband OS, the CPU, the SOC, the Ethernet chip, the network stack ... and possibly also in the app store."
("Kidding, kidding - nothing to worry about, we had most of those installed for a few years now anyway, so don't let it bother you none, OK little snowflake?")
- target the "maximum likelihood, minimum kickback" state, in this case Vermont:
"The bill concludes that since the Vermont government has seen fit to ban under 21 use of cigarettes, alcohol, and firearms, this is the logical next step."
Soap, legislated comms backdoors/ front doors in all mobile phones, starting in the backwater which almost no one ever heard of, Vermont.
Suck it up buttercup.
Absurdity Alert: Vermont Considers Cell Phone Ban For Under-21s, Punishable By Prison
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tech-giant-doesnt-want-anyone-offende...
https://legislature.vermont.gov/Documents/2020/Docs/BILLS/S-0212/S-0212%20As...
Seriously, does anyone have any possible solutions to this kind o crazy which is on the way?
On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 01:09:48 AM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
OK, so this is genuine, legitimate anti terror legislation being discussed and "genuinely considered" at the USA state level - Vermont in particular.
"How daft! Surely they'll never get -that- one through?!#?"
Not so fast grasshopper.
Somehow, this reminds me of the 1950's movie musical, redone recently, "The Music Man", where the main character turns the game of pool into "the devil's tool". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rroZXCYbqmc at: 10:30 Jim Bell
Not going to happen, Nazi. Only affluent white people live in Vermont except for a microscopic black community in Burlington and a few scattered remnants of revolutionary war black families in the rest of the state. The was ONE such family in the 3th largest city in the state, Bennington, in the early-mid 1970s when I lived there, but they may have moved over the NY and Mass state lines along with all the working class folks eventually. NO ONE tells affluent white xtian people what they can do. I CAN see banning them from school environments though. Why? Because even when I was driving school bus in Bennnington in the 70s those rich white kids were mental midgets like their parents. Affluent 'hayseeds' just as surely as affluent city kids mimic ghetto 'ganstas' "We got high-school kids running 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess who cannot pass a sixth-grade reading test but if you ask them, they can tell you the name of every crotch on mTV and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free. While we sit gloating in our greatness justice is sinking to the bottom of the sea Living in the wasteland of the free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqDpL0YCvI 75%+ of Americans can't locate Iran on a map and many thought Canada is Iran. Australia too. McClatchy: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/article239134333.html Rr Ps. You can all sing along: We got preachers dealing in politics and diamond mines and their speech is growing increasingly unkind They say they are Christ's disciples but they don't look like Jesus to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free We got politicians running races on corporate cash Now don't tell me they don't turn around and kiss them peoples' ass You may call me old-fashioned but that don't fit my picture of a true democracy and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free We got CEO's making two hundred times the workers' pay but they'll fight like hell against raising the minimum wage and If you don't like it, mister, they'll ship your job to some third-world country 'cross the sea and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free Related Living in the wasteland of the free where the poor have now become the enemy Let's blame our troubles on the weak ones Sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy Living in the wasteland of the free We got little kids with guns fighting inner city wars So what do we do, we put these little kids behind prison doors and we call ourselves the advanced civilization that sounds like crap to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free We got high-school kids running 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess who cannot pass a sixth-grade reading test but if you ask them, they can tell you the name of every crotch on mTV and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free We kill for oil, then we throw a party when we win Some guy refuses to fight, and we call that the sin but he's standing up for what he believes in and that seems pretty damned American to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free Living in the wasteland of the free where the poor have now become the enemy Let's blame our troubles on the weak ones Sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy Living in the wasteland of the free While we sit gloating in our greatness justice is sinking to the bottom of the sea Living in the wasteland of the free Living in the wasteland of the free Living in the wasteland of the free
Hi TaZeR - it's a new year so let's try and have a positive outlook and not think so much about all the shit posts on this list. Cognitive therapy really does work if given a chance - Your friend rooty -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 11, 2020, 8:01 AM, Razer wrote:
Not going to happen, Nazi. Only affluent white people live in Vermont except for a microscopic black community in Burlington and a few scattered remnants of revolutionary war black families in the rest of the state. The was ONE such family in the 3th largest city in the state, Bennington, in the early-mid 1970s when I lived there, but they may have moved over the NY and Mass state lines along with all the working class folks eventually. NO ONE tells affluent white xtian people what they can do. I CAN see banning them from school environments though. Why? Because even when I was driving school bus in Bennnington in the 70s those rich white kids were mental midgets like their parents. Affluent 'hayseeds' just as surely as affluent city kids mimic ghetto 'ganstas' "We got high-school kids running 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess who cannot pass a sixth-grade reading test but if you ask them, they can tell you the name of every crotch on mTV and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free. While we sit gloating in our greatness justice is sinking to the bottom of the sea Living in the wasteland of the free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqDpL0YCvI 75%+ of Americans can't locate Iran on a map and many thought Canada is Iran. Australia too. McClatchy: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/article239134333.html Rr Ps. You can all sing along: We got preachers dealing in politics and diamond mines and their speech is growing increasingly unkind They say they are Christ's disciples but they don't look like Jesus to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free We got politicians running races on corporate cash Now don't tell me they don't turn around and kiss them peoples' ass You may call me old-fashioned but that don't fit my picture of a true democracy and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free We got CEO's making two hundred times the workers' pay but they'll fight like hell against raising the minimum wage and If you don't like it, mister, they'll ship your job to some third-world country 'cross the sea and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free Related Living in the wasteland of the free where the poor have now become the enemy Let's blame our troubles on the weak ones Sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy Living in the wasteland of the free We got little kids with guns fighting inner city wars So what do we do, we put these little kids behind prison doors and we call ourselves the advanced civilization that sounds like crap to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free We got high-school kids running 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess who cannot pass a sixth-grade reading test but if you ask them, they can tell you the name of every crotch on mTV and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free We kill for oil, then we throw a party when we win Some guy refuses to fight, and we call that the sin but he's standing up for what he believes in and that seems pretty damned American to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free Living in the wasteland of the free where the poor have now become the enemy Let's blame our troubles on the weak ones Sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy Living in the wasteland of the free While we sit gloating in our greatness justice is sinking to the bottom of the sea Living in the wasteland of the free Living in the wasteland of the free Living in the wasteland of the free
On 1/11/20 12:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 08:01:41AM -0800, Razer wrote:
Not going to happen, The crypto back doors on all phones?
Schools have already been busted for doing that over the years Better the phones are required to be turned off on premises, if you ever expect the kids to be properly indoctrinated into Merican Fascist thinking. Ps. The first time I ever saw a calculator allowed in a classroom, no less a test area, I knew American children would be a global math fail. You need to learn the mechanics, just like you need to learn Text is spelled TEXT not TXT, first. Then you can fake it. Which is what I always told the class A drivers I trained. Learn to do it MY way first, THEN you can do it your way. Rr
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 04:44:05PM -0800, Razer wrote:
On 1/11/20 12:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 08:01:41AM -0800, Razer wrote:
Not going to happen, The crypto back doors on all phones?
Schools have already been busted for doing that over the years
So, we won't be seeing statute laws mandating crypto backdoors any time soon then?
Better the phones are required to be turned off on premises, if you ever expect the kids to be properly indoctrinated into Merican Fascist thinking.
Ps. The first time I ever saw a calculator allowed in a classroom, no less a test area, I knew American children would be a global math fail. You need to learn the mechanics, just like you need to learn Text is spelled TEXT not TXT, first. Then you can fake it. Which is what I always told the class A drivers I trained. Learn to do it MY way first, THEN you can do it your way.
On January 12, 2020 12:44:05 AM UTC, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 1/11/20 12:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 08:01:41AM -0800, Razer wrote:
Not going to happen, The crypto back doors on all phones?
Schools have already been busted for doing that over the years
Better the phones are required to be turned off on premises, if you ever expect the kids to be properly indoctrinated into Merican Fascist thinking.
Ps. The first time I ever saw a calculator allowed in a classroom, no less a test area, I knew American children would be a global math fail. You need to learn the mechanics, just like you need to learn Text is spelled TEXT not TXT, first. Then you can fake it. Which is what I always told the class A drivers I trained. Learn to do it MY way first, THEN you can do it your way.
Rr
I guess. I don't think I could've passed the AP Calculus curriculum without the trusty TI-84 graphing calculator. Although, those things were widely used not only for legit math but also to store notes for cheating on all sorts of shit. And to play games ;) I think kids still use those (relatively) ancient things at school.
On 1/11/20 18:44, Razer wrote:
Ps. The first time I ever saw a calculator allowed in a classroom, no less a test area, I knew American children would be a global math fail. You need to learn the mechanics, just like you need to learn Text is spelled TEXT not TXT, first. Then you can fake it. Which is what I always told the class A drivers I trained. Learn to do it MY way first, THEN you can do it your way.
It is important to know how to do basic math using only pencil and paper, but beyond addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and square roots (which can be done on paper, just nobody teaches them anymore), a lot of the calculations start to get really tedious when you have to work out each step by hand (trigonometry functions, logarithms, etc) and the chances for errors go way up. Yes, if you need a calculator to do 2+2, you deserve to fail math. But that's not why calculators are allowed on modern math tests. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 03:18:14AM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
On 1/11/20 18:44, Razer wrote:
Ps. The first time I ever saw a calculator allowed in a classroom, no less a test area, I knew American children would be a global math fail. You need to learn the mechanics, just like you need to learn Text is spelled TEXT not TXT, first. Then you can fake it. Which is what I always told the class A drivers I trained. Learn to do it MY way first, THEN you can do it your way.
It is important to know how to do basic math using only pencil and paper, but beyond addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and square roots (which can be done on paper, just nobody teaches them anymore), a lot of the calculations start to get really tedious when you have to work out each step by hand (trigonometry functions, logarithms, etc) and the chances for errors go way up.
Even then, if you learn to differentiate ("re-establish") sin(), cos() and tan() from "first principles", that's not only a good feeling, but a prima facie demonstration of understanding, which opens doors to nutha level nunderstandin', muh muffaluggerahs :) Differentiating cos and sin from First Principles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmBIyKQleWU Differentiating sin(x) and cos(x) from first principles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojNz3Yd-mnI Differentiation of trigonometric functions - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiation_of_trigonometric_functions Derivatives of Sine, Cosine and Tangent https://www.intmath.com/differentiation-transcendental/1-derivative-sine-cos... Sin cos and tan from first principles — browse images https://yandex.com/images/search?text=sin%20cos%20and%20tan%20from%20first%20principles&stype=image&lr=21265&parent-reqid=1578910610374653-977297112862716815500123-vla1-3507&source=wiz
Yes, if you need a calculator to do 2+2, you deserve to fail math. But that's not why calculators are allowed on modern math tests.
-- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On 1/11/20 11:01 AM, Razer wrote:
Not going to happen, Nazi. Only affluent white people live in Vermont except for a microscopic black community in Burlington and a few scattered remnants of revolutionary war black families in the rest of the state. The was ONE such family in the 3th largest city in the state, Bennington, in the early-mid 1970s when I lived there, but they may have moved over the NY and Mass state lines along with all the working class folks eventually.
NO ONE tells affluent white xtian people what they can do.
Razor - your ignorance about the state is showing. There are a lot of appalachia-like areas in Vermont - particularly in the Northeastern part of the state. I know quite a few people who live without water. Most of the state is not Stowe and even the picturesque towns with pristine town centers are often a facade in front of people who don't have enough money to eat. Here is an article about how awful the schools are. This is NOT an isolated incident. https://vtdigger.org/2020/01/05/for-drawing-a-picture-a-6-year-old-was-suspe... Some of the very old black families are still around if you know where to look, though the state is quite white. Some of the people listed as white might not be if you scratch a bit. People who could pass as white often did to avoid the eugenics campaigns leveled against the abenaki.
I CAN see banning them from school environments though.
Why? Because even when I was driving school bus in Bennnington in the 70s those rich white kids were mental midgets like their parents. Affluent 'hayseeds' just as surely as affluent city kids mimic ghetto 'ganstas'
"We got high-school kids running 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess who cannot pass a sixth-grade reading test but if you ask them, they can tell you the name of every crotch on mTV and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free.
While we sit gloating in our greatness justice is sinking to the bottom of the sea Living in the wasteland of the free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqDpL0YCvI
75%+ of Americans can't locate Iran on a map and many thought Canada is Iran.
Australia too.
McClatchy: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/article239134333.html
Rr
Ps. You can all sing along:
We got preachers dealing in politics and diamond mines and their speech is growing increasingly unkind They say they are Christ's disciples but they don't look like Jesus to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free
We got politicians running races on corporate cash Now don't tell me they don't turn around and kiss them peoples' ass You may call me old-fashioned but that don't fit my picture of a true democracy and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free
We got CEO's making two hundred times the workers' pay but they'll fight like hell against raising the minimum wage and If you don't like it, mister, they'll ship your job to some third-world country 'cross the sea and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free Related
Living in the wasteland of the free where the poor have now become the enemy Let's blame our troubles on the weak ones Sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy Living in the wasteland of the free
We got little kids with guns fighting inner city wars So what do we do, we put these little kids behind prison doors and we call ourselves the advanced civilization that sounds like crap to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free
We got high-school kids running 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess who cannot pass a sixth-grade reading test but if you ask them, they can tell you the name of every crotch on mTV and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free
We kill for oil, then we throw a party when we win Some guy refuses to fight, and we call that the sin but he's standing up for what he believes in and that seems pretty damned American to me and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free
Living in the wasteland of the free where the poor have now become the enemy Let's blame our troubles on the weak ones Sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy Living in the wasteland of the free
While we sit gloating in our greatness justice is sinking to the bottom of the sea Living in the wasteland of the free Living in the wasteland of the free Living in the wasteland of the free
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