What is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list?
What is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list? I would like to know what is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list. Looking for an answer from authoritative source, not a subscriber of doubtful quality. Appears to me wide variety of topics are discussed. Though the list is unmoderated, I suspect the dudes in charge of the list might take action against flooding with gross nonsense or commercial spam. Just trying to avoid being banned from unmoderated list ;), the way the heavily censored (in theory small moderated) Fyodor's full disclosure blocked me at SMTP level. Best of luck, -- georgi
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am not authoritative here but I can say how I consume this list. It's different from any other list I know. Consumption is more similar to IRC. There is no real structure and many write under pseudonyms. I don't think you can have a serious discussion of topics that hover around anonymity without accepting the cruft that comes with anonymous contributions. Some people use these "qualities" in this environment and simply masturbate intellectually with. On IRC one develops a way to find interesting comments in-between this noise. And over time one develops interesting mental reflexes and intuitions from these space. This might seem like a description for "how to survive the cypherpunk mailinglist" but these reflexes, once developed, then apply in very interesting ways in other areas of society. One example is the application of anonymous behavior and hierarchies to political science. That is, the role of non-branded ideology and action in politics. or to put simply in some ways the cypherpunks mailing list is 4chan via smtp. thus far I dont think you would find yourself getting banned. though some may just add a mute filter for you if you spam. On 07/01/2015 13:05, Georgi Guninski wrote:
What is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list?
I would like to know what is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list.
Looking for an answer from authoritative source, not a subscriber of doubtful quality.
Appears to me wide variety of topics are discussed.
Though the list is unmoderated, I suspect the dudes in charge of the list might take action against flooding with gross nonsense or commercial spam.
Just trying to avoid being banned from unmoderated list ;), the way the heavily censored (in theory small moderated) Fyodor's full disclosure blocked me at SMTP level.
Best of luck,
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Replying to top post with the same. As I clearly wrote, "not a subscriber of doubtful quality", so I consider yours borderline spam. Nothing personal against you (don't know you), but if this list is of enough importance, it likely has paid whore subscribers and me definitely doesn't want advice from them. Cheers, -- georgi On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 01:59:29PM +0100, Nathan Andrew Fain wrote:
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I am not authoritative here but I can say how I consume this list. It's different from any other list I know. Consumption is more similar to IRC. There is no real structure and many write under pseudonyms. I don't think you can have a serious discussion of topics that hover around anonymity without accepting the cruft that comes with anonymous contributions. Some people use these "qualities" in this environment and simply masturbate intellectually with. On IRC one develops a way to find interesting comments in-between this noise. And over time one develops interesting mental reflexes and intuitions from these space. This might seem like a description for "how to survive the cypherpunk mailinglist" but these reflexes, once developed, then apply in very interesting ways in other areas of society. One example is the application of anonymous behavior and hierarchies to political science. That is, the role of non-branded ideology and action in politics.
or to put simply in some ways the cypherpunks mailing list is 4chan via smtp.
thus far I dont think you would find yourself getting banned. though some may just add a mute filter for you if you spam.
On 07/01/2015 13:05, Georgi Guninski wrote:
What is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list?
I would like to know what is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list.
Looking for an answer from authoritative source, not a subscriber of doubtful quality.
Appears to me wide variety of topics are discussed.
Though the list is unmoderated, I suspect the dudes in charge of the list might take action against flooding with gross nonsense or commercial spam.
Just trying to avoid being banned from unmoderated list ;), the way the heavily censored (in theory small moderated) Fyodor's full disclosure blocked me at SMTP level.
Best of luck,
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Un Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> escrit Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:05:53:
I would like to know what is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list.
The current official charter on the homepage is: "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing cryptography and its effect on society."
Appears to me wide variety of topics are discussed.
That's probably because a wide variety of topics are applicable to charter. Understanding and merits of various licenses? Certainly applies to crypto licensing, society's use of crypto, and surrounding trappings. History of computing? Surely if you want to understand where crypto runs and came from. Traditional message formatting, plain text, English language? Yes if you want to communicate broadly and effectively, especially with people who were around well before you, to learn and carry on.
commercial spam.
Spam is filtered from lists everywhere. People selling and tagging every post with their own crypto related wares? They are often technically debunked, look dumb, and end up going home.
gross nonsense
The decades of cypherpunks list has plenty of moments and characters... radicals, pros and antis, corporates, govts, citizens, assholes, frauds, dreamers, tinhatters, philosophers, savants, ALT's, shills/SP's, notorious actors, and more. All part of its history and makes it what it is. A few people bitching or leaving is nothing out of the ordinary in that context, in fact, that's a compliment to the list. Unless you think Cypherpunk is all about happy homogenized pasteurized consensus and submission, particularly with and regarding the enemy... governments, oppressives, monitors, privacy invaders and whatever else. Ain't no punk in that. Oi! The magic of unmoderated lists, outside of literal spam, is that they're usually self moderating and come back around before long. Of further relevance to your query... Recent thread "The Muslim Problem". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk#Cypherpunk_mailing_list http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-92-98.zip
Just trying to avoid being banned from unmoderated list ;)
Doubt anyone here has anything to worry about in that regard.
the way the heavily censored (in theory small moderated) Fyodor's full disclosure blocked me at SMTP level.
Forking a similarly strict cypherpunks is not restricted by any "license" if people want that (maybe the same conformists and sheeple who complained about al-qaeda.net). Cypherpunk, Oi!
On 01/12/2015 11:12 AM, grarpamp wrote:
Un Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> escrit Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:05:53:
I would like to know what is offtopic and what should be avoided on this list.
The current official charter on the homepage is:
"The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing cryptography and its effect on society."
Appears to me wide variety of topics are discussed.
That's probably because a wide variety of topics are applicable to charter.
<SNIP>
gross nonsense
The decades of cypherpunks list has plenty of moments and characters... radicals, pros and antis, corporates, govts, citizens, assholes, frauds, dreamers, tinhatters, philosophers, savants, ALT's, shills/SP's, notorious actors, and more. All part of its history and makes it what it is. A few people bitching or leaving is nothing out of the ordinary in that context, in fact, that's a compliment to the list. Unless you think Cypherpunk is all about happy homogenized pasteurized consensus and submission, particularly with and regarding the enemy... governments, oppressives, monitors, privacy invaders and whatever else. Ain't no punk in that. Oi!
I recall toto, with great fondness :) <SNIP>
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
Replying to top post with the same.
Is no license to follow nor clear rebuke.
As I clearly wrote, "not a subscriber of doubtful quality", so I consider yours borderline spam.
Cyphunk is welcome here.
if this list is of enough importance, it likely has paid whore subscribers and me definitely doesn't want advice from them.
A high class whore occupies the subconscious and controls therein. Cheap whores just stand out on the corner. Rubber up.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 03:30:59AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
Replying to top post with the same.
Is no license to follow nor clear rebuke.
As I clearly wrote, "not a subscriber of doubtful quality", so I consider yours borderline spam.
Cyphunk is welcome here.
if this list is of enough importance, it likely has paid whore subscribers and me definitely doesn't want advice from them.
A high class whore occupies the subconscious and controls therein. Cheap whores just stand out on the corner. Rubber up.
Such flattery. Use the data force luke and put a rubber on your smtp if you are worried about catching something
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
Though the list is unmoderated, I suspect the dudes in charge of the list might take action against flooding with gross nonsense ...
Years ago, some people were warning that the NSA and other agencies were monitoring *every* electronic communication, were running half of the TOR nodes, had bribed crypto companies to insert weaknesses, and I don't know what else. Real tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense. Except it wasn't. Revelations from Snowden and others shows that not only were the "nonsense" claims correct, they didn't go far enough. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm going to be very cautious before calling anything nonsense. -- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209
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