Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"
Plants in the IETF? Sounds plausible. ----- Forwarded message from Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> ----- Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:33:58 -0400 From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com> Cc: "cryptography@metzdowd.com" <cryptography@metzdowd.com> Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN" On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger <perry@piermont.com> wrote:
I would like to open the floor to *informed speculation* about BULLRUN.
Informed speculation means intelligent, technical ideas about what has been done. It does not mean wild conspiracy theories and the like. I will be instructing the moderators (yes, I have help these days) to ruthlessly prune inappropriate material.
At the same time, I will repeat that reasonably informed technical speculation is appropriate, as is any solid information available.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-secur... • The NSA spends $250m a year on a program which, among other goals, works with technology companies to "covertly influence" their product designs. I believe this confirms my theory that the NSA has plants in the IETF to discourage moves to strong crypto. -- Website: http://hallambaker.com/ _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5
About time this "informed speculation" happened, long overdue. Hope it turns out to be that and more: For those not on the cryptography list by Perry Metzger, the thread so far: <http://t.co/sdC1xKLOLm>http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2013-September/thread.html Heavily moderated, no bullshit except of the highest quality of informed speculation. At 08:08 AM 9/6/2013, you wrote:
Plants in the IETF? Sounds plausible.
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:33:58 -0400 From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com> Cc: "cryptography@metzdowd.com" <cryptography@metzdowd.com> Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger <perry@piermont.com> wrote:
I would like to open the floor to *informed speculation* about BULLRUN.
Informed speculation means intelligent, technical ideas about what has been done. It does not mean wild conspiracy theories and the like. I will be instructing the moderators (yes, I have help these days) to ruthlessly prune inappropriate material.
At the same time, I will repeat that reasonably informed technical speculation is appropriate, as is any solid information available.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-secur... The NSA spends $250m a year on a program which, among other goals, works with technology companies to "covertly influence" their product designs.
I believe this confirms my theory that the NSA has plants in the IETF to discourage moves to strong crypto.
-- Website: http://hallambaker.com/
_______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
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Dnia piątek, 6 września 2013 14:08:39 Eugen Leitl pisze:
Plants in the IETF? Sounds plausible.
How about we say "fuck the IETF, we'll make a better one; with blackjack and hookers". And start working together to design and implement stronger crypto on-line. I mean, we can push the world in the right direction, right? -- Pozdr rysiek
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