Hackers can’t solve Surveillance
i think this is related and relevant to recent discussions. src: http://www.dmytri.info/hackers-cant-solve-surveillance/ quoted in full for your convenience:
Hackers can’t solve Surveillance
Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), also known as Doctors without Borders, is an organization that saves lives in war-torn and underdeveloped regions, providing health care and training in over 70 different countries. MSF saves lives. Yet, nobody thinks that doctors can “solve” healthcare. It’s widely understood that healthcare is a social issue, and universal health care can not be achieved by either the voluntary work of Doctors or by way of donations and charity alone.
Just as Doctors can’t solve healthcare, Hackers can’t solve surveillance. Doctors can’t make human frailty disappear with some sort of clever medical trick. They can help mitigate issues, fight emergencies, they can be selfless, heroic. but they can’t, on their own, solve healthcare.
One of the ways that Hackers can fight surveillance is to develop better cryptographic communications tools, and train people how to use them.. This is certainly critical work that hackers can contribute to, but we can’t, on our own, solve surveillance.
Nothing that Hackers can do on their own can eliminate surveillance. Just as universal healthcare is only something that can be achieved by social means, privacy respecting mass communications platforms can only be achieved by social means. Safe mass communications platforms can not be created by private interests, neither commercially, nor voluntarily.
As we well know, private medical provisioning provides unequal health care. The reason is obvious, health needs and the ability to pay are not usually corelated. Private provisioning means that those who can’t pay, wont be served by profit-driven institutions, and though this can be mitigated by voluntarism and charity, it can’t be fully overcome.
Likewise, mass communications that are built for the profit motive either need to charge a fee, and thereby be exclusive, or be advertising supported. Other options can exist for connected and technically savvy users, but these will be niche by necessity. For the masses, the main options available will always be well funded platforms with employees to do support, development, and marketing, without wich, it’s impossible to build-up a mass user base.
The lucrativeness of advertising-based platforms, makes it difficult even for fee-based systems to compete, since they don’t generally produce enough revenue to invest significantly in support, development and marketing, which makes them less attractive even to users who could or would pay, but the major issue that kills such platforms is that the fee means that some people will not be able to use it at all.
Thus, commercial mass platforms tend to be advertising driven. This means that the business of platforms operators is selling audience commodity. Commodities are sold by measure and grade. You can buy 10lbs of Fancy Grade Granny Smith Apples, or two dozen Grade A free range eggs. Or 2 million clicks from age 18-35 white males.
Audience commodity, the users of the platform, are sold to advertisers, by measure of clicks or conversion, and by grade. For advertisers, audience is graded by specifications that include age, sex, income level, family composition, location, ethnicity, home or automobile ownership, credit card status, etc. The Demographics, as they say.
Since an advertising funded platform must grade audience commodity, it must collect data on it’s users in order to grade them. This means that the one thing such a platform can not offer its users is privacy. At least not privacy from the platform operators and their advertisers.
And so long as the platform operators collect such data, there is no way that this data will not be made available to local and foreign intelligence agencies.
This hard reality has been hard to grapple with, especially for a hacker community who saw the Internet as a new realm, as John Perry Barlow wrote in the Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace: “We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.” His colleague, John Gilmore, famously claimed “The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.”
Those two quotations, born of the 90s hey-day of net.culture, contrast starkly with what Adam Curtis describes in his BBC documentary All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace:
“The original promise of the Californian Ideology, was that the computers would liberate us from all the old forms of political control, and we would become Randian heroes, in control of our own destiny. Instead, today, we feel the opposite, that we are helpless components in a global system, a system that is controlled by a rigid logic that we are powerless to challenge or to change”
Oddly, the film doesn’t credit Richard Barbrook and Andy Cameron who coined the term the “Californian Ideology” in there seminal 1995 text, which was among the first to identify the libertarian ideology endemic in Silicon Valley culture.
The visions of a free, uncensorable cyberspace envisioned by Barlow, Gilmore and others was incompatible with the needs of Capital, and thus the libertarian impulses that drives Silicon valley caused a change in tune. Cyberspace was no longer a new world, declared independent with its own unalienable rights, it was now an untamed frontier, a wild-west where spooks and cypherpunks do battle and your worth is measured by your crypto slinging skills and operational security. Rather than united denizens of a new terrain, we are now crypto individualists homesteading in hostile territory.
This, as Seda Gurses argues, leads to Responsibilization, “Information systems that mediate communications in a way that also collects massive amounts of personal information may be prone to externalizing some of the risks associated with these systems onto the users.”
Users themselves are responsible for their privacy and safety online. No more unalienable rights, no more censorship resistant mass networks, no more expressing beliefs without fear of being silenced. Hack or be hacked.
Since libertarian ideology is often at odds with social solutions, holding private enterprise as an ideal and viewing private provisioning as best, the solutions presented are often pushing more entrepreneurship and voluntarism and ever more responsibilization. We just need a new start-up, or some new code, or some magical new business model! This is what Evgeny Morozov calls Solutionism, the belief that all difficulties have benign solutions, often of a technocratic nature. Morozov provides an example “when a Silicon Valley company tries to solve the problem of obesity by building a smart fork that will tell you that you’re eating too quickly, this […] puts the onus for reform on the individual.”
Karl Marx makes a similar argument in Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte:
“The proletariate […] gives up the task of revolutionizing the old world with its own large collective weapons, and, on the contrary, seeks to bring about its emancipation, behind the back of society, in private ways, within the narrow bounds of its own class conditions, and, consequently, inevitably fails.”
Solutionism underestimates social costs and assumes that social issues can be solved by individuals and private interests, and some may be, but where universality, equality and fairness need to be provided regardless of skill or wealth this is not the case. These sorts of things can only be provided socially, as public goods.
Many Hackers have always known this. In a excellent Journal of Peer Production essay Maxigas quotes Simon Yiull:
“The first hacklabs developed in Europe, often coming out of the traditions of squatted social centres and community media labs. In Italy they have been connected with the autonomist social centres, and in Spain, Germany, and the Netherlands with anarchist squatting movements.”
Early hacklabs didn’t view their role as being limited to solutionism, though hackers have alway helped people understand how online communications works and how to use it securely, hackers where embedded within social movements, part of the struggle for a fairer society. Hacker saw themselves as part of affinity groups fighting against privatization, war, colonialism, austerity, inequality, patriarchy and capitalism, they understood that this was the way to a new society, working shoulder to shoulder with mass movements fighting for a new society, and that here their knowledge of networks and communications systems could be of service to these movements.
Yet, as Maxigas goes on to argue,, “hackerspaces are not embedded in and not consciously committed to an overtly political project or idea.”
Instead, hackerspaces often focus on technological empowerment, which is certainly beneficial and important, but like community health centers that teach health maintenance practices are beneficial, they can’t solve larger social issues, such each-one-teach-one projects can not, on their own, solve social issues like privacy or health.
Hackers need to understand that there is no business model for secure mass communications. In order to achieve a society where we can expect privacy we need more hackers and hackerspaces to embrace the broader political challenges of building a more equal society.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 01:03:22AM +0100, stef wrote:
i think this is related and relevant to recent discussions.
src: http://www.dmytri.info/hackers-cant-solve-surveillance/
quoted in full for your convenience:
Hackers can’t solve Surveillance
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communications. In order to achieve a society where we can expect privacy we need more hackers and
This appears utopia to me. We need more JUSTICE as well. There is a principle GIGO ~ Garbage In Garbage Out. Last time I tried to explain to a sheeple she is a sheeple she asked something like "You crazy anti-establishment? I have loans to the bank to pay".
hackerspaces to embrace the broader political challenges of building a more equal society.
I am a bit paranoid about HACKERSPACE, since likely the dear NSA might have infiltrated it.
On 02/13/2015 01:24 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
"I have loans to the bank to pay".
*** There is always a good reason not to act.
I am a bit paranoid about HACKERSPACE, since likely the dear NSA might have infiltrated it.
*** Then terrorists win. You're FUD cake. A bit paranoid is fine: you need it for survival. But if it prevents you from trying to stop the train you see on its way to crashing, or if you can, jump off it, then it's suicidal. The current train is going too fast for anyone to jump off, and there's no place to land safely anyway. But the wall is still approaching fast as well. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 02:25:34PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
I am a bit paranoid about HACKERSPACE, since likely the dear NSA might have infiltrated it.
*** Then terrorists win.
The paranoid in me is not sure what is considered "terrorist" nowadays. I am pretty sure some of the heroes I studied in high school are considered "terrorist"s nowadays.
On 02/13/2015 02:54 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 02:25:34PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
I am a bit paranoid about HACKERSPACE, since likely the dear NSA might have infiltrated it.
*** Then terrorists win.
The paranoid in me is not sure what is considered "terrorist" nowadays.
I am pretty sure some of the heroes I studied in high school are considered "terrorist"s nowadays.
*** Sure enough. For me the terrorists are those who impose terror. If you're afraid at a hackerspace because it is infiltrated by spooks, then you're a victim of mass terrorism. FUD is a common tactics of terrorism. Big media propaganda is a good channel for that as well. The TLAs use terrorism constantly. That's how they win: FUD, FUD, FUD, and then pick up. Remember that FBI tactics of finding a potential target and luring them into committing a crime in order to arrest them? That's also a form of terrorism, because it prevents anyone from having sane human relationships. "Maybe this cool stranger I've been opening up to is going to rat me out, or enter my home, or rob my mother". Terrorism is not just suicide bombers blowing up a bus or two guys walking into a building for a massacre. That's the handcrafted level of terrorism. That's the terrorism the industrial terrorists use as an excuse to impose their industrial terror and distill more control across society. FUD, FUD, FUD, and then pick up. In the voice of the terrorists, everyone against them is labeled a terrorist. The more vociferous ones are put on a kill list and droned out, along with all the people around them. If that's not "an evil act of terrorism", I am the Maadi. == hk P.S.: oh shit, I delurked. Hi! -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 05:49:04PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
*** Sure enough. For me the terrorists are those who impose terror. If you're afraid at a hackerspace because it is infiltrated by spooks, then you're a victim of mass terrorism. FUD is a common tactics of terrorism. Big media propaganda is a good channel for that as well.
To clarify I am not against hackerspaces. Not afraid to join them so far if I find good ones. Probably Occupy Wallstreet had more impact than just chatting on this list.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 06:24:35PM +0200, Georgi Guninski wrote:
communications. In order to achieve a society where we can expect privacy we need more hackers and
This appears utopia to me.
We need more JUSTICE as well.
accountability i like. there's so much talk about transparency, but none about accountability. i mean, transparency without accountability is like being raped, when you have accountability that's like you have a chance to kick the fucker in the balls. but transparency is like "enjoying" the "act" in the mirror....
There is a principle GIGO ~ Garbage In Garbage Out.
what does that principle tell us, and how is this relevant here?
Last time I tried to explain to a sheeple she is a sheeple she asked something like "You crazy anti-establishment? I have loans to the bank to pay".
ah, the stockholm syndrome. i really like some research on psychological effects on victims of blue collar crimes, and then published widely in msm (i know another utopia, but then i'm writing mails not code). i have no clue but if there is a research community around this topic, but it should be goldrush times for them now. ;/
hackerspaces to embrace the broader political challenges of building a more equal society.
I am a bit paranoid about HACKERSPACE, since likely the dear NSA might have infiltrated it.
well i believe this is a reference to maxigas' paper about the political and social differences between hacklabs, hackerspaces and other maker/fab/etc-labs. this is a bit in conflict with the opening argument (medicines sans frontiers not healing the world, but it being a societal responsibility) and here it the argumentation falls back to the "hackers have to save us all". i agree with maxigas, hackerspaces should take more responsibility though. -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:12:01PM +0100, stef wrote:
ah, the stockholm syndrome. i really like some research on psychological effects on victims of blue collar crimes, and then published widely in msm (i know another utopia, but then i'm writing mails not code). i have no clue but if there is a research community around this topic, but it should be goldrush times for them now. ;/
Why not write one? Say multiple choice test "Sheepleness score?" Or short paper "Sheeple for dummies". It ain't rocket science or writing reliable remote linux kernel TCP sploit ;) Doubt the majority of mainstream "researches" will risk their job on the sheeple topic. Darknets and http://vixra.org/ likely will "publish" it ;).
The fun began with the implication that healthcare for everyone is a must. Good healthcare means not dying in good health. Assuming mental health (too tricky to deal with for this argument) that leaves people that wish to die in a precarious position. And what do with so many people? That might seem a strange argument, but it is not at all. Healthcare is yet imperfect because it's damn hard and expensive. Less surveillance is easier, not harder. The problem is that the general public WANTS surveillance. They want to give away their liberties for the safety it may bring them. Marx had a huge audience. I do not believe the hackers do. "Solving" surveilance for me means aligning it with justice, dignity, freedom and most significantly, tirrany prevention. With the cost of surveilance only going down we must consider the endgame. The endgame is full and continuous surveillance. It is inevitable as long as more surveillance has any advantage. I am not yet sure how to deal with this properly, and think it a political question. As for claiming your own privacy: we're far behind in the game for reasons beyond me. Most likely some modern variant of imperialism, where money is stolen from the weak and thrown at surveillance (see also the American budget for the department of unconsitutionality). To compare these issues with healthcare is meaningless. Although the conclusion is correct. If there is not far more effort (=money) expanded on feature-and-convenience parity for privacy-protecting solutions; we're all royally fucked. And no violent revolution will beat back the drone armies that already in flight. The time that a revolution was feasible was already ending when the founding fathers decreed Americans must bear arms in militias. Without similar class weaponry there is no chance, regardless of combatant quantity. The assault rifle cannot match the helicopter, the APC, the drone, and is not readily available either. The people's organization (intelligence and command and control infrastructure) will never again match that of the army. There will be no more violent revolutions. That is over now. So, if everyone would be so kind as to think of what to do about a world steepled in dysfunctional markets ... Well that would probably solve the privacy thing as well. We'd know to buy safe. And we'd spend a lot more on healthcare, too, I'm sure. But perhaps before everyone lived indefinitelt, we should fix democracy, or adopt whatever *cracy does work. Although, who's first to shoot me when I suggest no person knows what's best even for himself, or should be left the freedom to make the wrong choice? Besides, isn't government merely a product on a less free market? P.S.: i take back everything i stated in this rant. It's the only way anyone could make a statement nowadays ;)
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