Robert De Niro and Autism – a Tragic Drama of Intimidation
Question - is it possible to have an open public discussion on the issue of vaccinations and their level of safety or otherwise? Apparently not, not even for a "public" figure such as American actor, Robert De Niro. Don your flameproof jackets... TRIGGER WARNING: This article may contain implications such as "there may be a link between modern vaccinations and autism" and "big pharma has a lot of lobbying money and US congress has only publicly heard one side". It may sound macabre, but I'm waiting for the 5 day gestation period contagious contaminated flu vaccine to hit - there's plenty of numbers and computer crunching of human pupulation activation thresholds for a would be Dr Save The World or his mini me. Forearmed is forewarned. And may the rest cower in submission to the "you're fucking up our herd mentality^B^B I mean herd immunity" intimidation. ---- http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/10/robert-de-niro-and-autism-a-tragic-drama-o... 10.04.2016 Author: F. William Engdahl Robert De Niro and Autism – a Tragic Drama of Intimidation Column: Society Region: USA in the World Robert De Niro is a magnificent actor, one who has won countless awards in his profession over decades. Recently he involved himself in a drama that is costing millions of tragic lives to be condemned to a special world of autism. What has developed from that involvement is tragic. Not alone because his own son is autistic ( http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/26/health/vaccines-autism-robert-de-niro-trib... ). On March 25 the New York Times printed an article with the title, “Robert De Niro Defends Screening of Anti-Vaccine Film at Tribeca Festival.” It was a decision deeply personal for De Niro and his wife. De Niro, co-founder of the Tribeca Film Festival, defended the festival’s controversial decision to screen an anti-vaccine documentary, Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe. De Niro explained, “Grace and I have a child with autism and we believe it is critical that all of the issues surrounding the causes of autism be openly discussed and examined. This is very personal to me and my family and I want there to be a discussion, which is why we will be screening Vaxxed. I am not personally endorsing the film, nor am I anti-vaccination; I am only providing the opportunity for a conversation around the issue ( http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/10/robert-de-niro-and-autism-a-tragic-drama-o... ) .” Background That was a clear statement and a courageous act. De Niro made the decision not only to premier the Vaxxed film at his film festivan bust also to introduce the Director, Andrew Wakefield and the film personally. Before deciding, De Niro contacted US Congressman Bill Posey, the same Congressman who has spoken directly and at length with the Center for Disease Control (CDC) Whistleblower William Thompson ( http://celebritories.com/2016/03/vaxxed-filmmakers-accuse-de-niro-tribeca-fi... ). In 2014 Thompson told Posey and others that the CDC, where he had been employed as a scientist, had documents that CDC officials deliberately suppressed tests that indicated links between the common MMR vaccine–Measles, Mumps and Rubella (whooping cough)– and child autism. After a one hour discussion with Posey on what he had been told by Thompson about the CDC autism coverup, De Niro made his personal decision to present the Wakefield film ( http://celebritories.com/2016/03/vaxxed-filmmakers-accuse-de-niro-tribeca-fi... ). Forty eight hours and a firestorm of mainstream media attack on De Niro’s decision led to his reversal of the screening. In 2015 CDC whistleblower William Thompson, in an apparent act of conscience, told US Congressman Posey that while a senior scientist at CDC, he and his colleagues, after making a study of the link between vaccines and incidence of autism in small black boys, “scheduled a meeting to destroy documents related to the study. The remaining four co-authors all met and brought a big garbage can into the meeting room, and reviewed and went through all the hardcopy documents that we had thought we should discard, and put them into a huge garbage can.” The…co-authors…brought a big garbage can into the meeting room… [and put the documents]…into a huge garbage can. –CDC Senior Scientist Dr. William Thompson ( http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/10/robert-de-niro-and-autism-a-tragic-drama-o... ). A cowered US Congress declined to even hold hearings on Thompson’s charges, charges that could have brought the global vaccine industry down if held honestly. The pharmaceutical industry makes enormous financial contributions to Congressional candidates in key committees. Autism Epidemic and Rise in Vaccinations Once De Niro announced he would premier the Vaxxed film at his film festival, a savage firestorm of attacks erupted from US mainstream media ranging from New York Times to forces to CNN. They all attacked Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the Director of Vaxxed, a British citizen, medical doctor and scientist who was literally crucified, stripped of his medical license in Britain and attacked as a scientific fraud for publishing a study in 1998 in the respected scientific journal, Lancet, on possible links between MMR vaccinations and an alarming rise in child autism. Only in 2010 after twelve years of relentless pressure and attacks on Wakefield and claims of faulty methodology did Lancet finally retract the article ( http://www.medicaldaily.com/history-autism-and-vaccines-how-one-man-unravele... ). I have personally met and talked at length with Andrew Wakefield and have respect for his refusal to be cowered by the pharmaceutical vaccine cartel. I have also met numerous children in clinics and rehabilitation centers who have been maimed, crippled or mentally turned into vegetables from vaccinations. Their stories are hushed up by the medical industry, a trillion dollar cartel that links countless medical professionals, scientists, pharmaceutical makers, the CDC and the WHO. What none of the mainstream, politically correct, media dares to report in the De Niro-Wakefield debate are the alarming facts of the epidemic rise in autism in the USA over the past two decades. Autism rates climbed nearly 30% between 2008 and 2010. Incidents of child autism have more than doubled since 2000 according to a new study from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The condition affects one of every 68 children who are 8-year-olds. That’s up from one in 88 just two years earlier. Thirty years ago autism in the USA was virtually unheard of ( http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/27/autism-rates-rise/69578... ). When it was first described in 1943 by Leo Kanner, it was believed to occur at a rate of 4–5 per 10,000 children. Today, 1 in 68 ( http://www.momsagainstmercury.autismoava.org/archivos/Theoretical-Aspects-of... )! The CDC claims not to know the cause. It is clearly not genetic change because such changes take many generations to manifest. Therefore it must be a significant change in the environment of the children. In 2011, Dr. Helen Ratajczak, herself a former senior scientist in the pharmaceutical industry published a groundbreaking article in the Journal of Immunotoxicology entitled “Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes–A review.” Ratajczak did what nobody else apparently has bothered to do: she reviewed the body of published science since autism was first described in 1943. Not just one theory suggested by research such as the role of MMR shots, or the mercury preservative thimerosal; but all of them. Ratajczak’s article states, in part, that “Documented causes of autism include genetic mutations and/or deletions, viral infections, and encephalitis [brain damage] following vaccination [emphasis added]. Therefore, autism is the result of genetic defects and/or inflammation of the brain.” The article goes on to discuss many potential vaccine-related culprits, including the increasing number of vaccines given in a short period of time. CBS award-winning journalist Sharyl Attkisson interviewed Ratajczak on her findings. “What I have published is highly concentrated on hypersensitivity, Ratajczak told Attkisson in an interview, “the body’s immune system being thrown out of balance.” No less a scientist than Dr. James R. Shannon, former Director, National Institute of Health, stated, “The only safe vaccine is one that is never used ( https://vactruth.com/2011/06/06/part-1-of-3-an-interview-about-vaccines-with... ).” Robert De Niro is a magnificent actor. He let go of an opportunity to give mankind far more. F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook ( http://journal-neo.org/ )”.
Why do you persist in posting this OT bullshit on a cypherpunks listserv? Go find a subreddit to pollute with your shitposts. ---------- On April 17, 2016 8:58:51 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Question - is it possible to have an open public discussion on the issue of vaccinations and their level of safety or otherwise?
Apparently not, not even for a "public" figure such as American actor, Robert De Niro.
Don your flameproof jackets...
TRIGGER WARNING: This article may contain implications such as "there may be a link between modern vaccinations and autism" and "big pharma has a lot of lobbying money and US congress has only publicly heard one side".
It may sound macabre, but I'm waiting for the 5 day gestation period contagious contaminated flu vaccine to hit - there's plenty of numbers and computer crunching of human pupulation activation thresholds for a would be Dr Save The World or his mini me.
Forearmed is forewarned. And may the rest cower in submission to the "you're fucking up our herd mentality^B^B I mean herd immunity" intimidation.
---- http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/10/robert-de-niro-and-autism-a-tragic-drama-o... 10.04.2016 Author: F. William Engdahl Robert De Niro and Autism – a Tragic Drama of Intimidation Column: Society Region: USA in the World
Robert De Niro is a magnificent actor, one who has won countless awards in his profession over decades. Recently he involved himself in a drama that is costing millions of tragic lives to be condemned to a special world of autism. What has developed from that involvement is tragic. Not alone because his own son is autistic ( http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/26/health/vaccines-autism-robert-de-niro-trib... ).
On March 25 the New York Times printed an article with the title, “Robert De Niro Defends Screening of Anti-Vaccine Film at Tribeca Festival.” It was a decision deeply personal for De Niro and his wife. De Niro, co-founder of the Tribeca Film Festival, defended the festival’s controversial decision to screen an anti-vaccine documentary, Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe. De Niro explained, “Grace and I have a child with autism and we believe it is critical that all of the issues surrounding the causes of autism be openly discussed and examined. This is very personal to me and my family and I want there to be a discussion, which is why we will be screening Vaxxed. I am not personally endorsing the film, nor am I anti-vaccination; I am only providing the opportunity for a conversation around the issue ( http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/10/robert-de-niro-and-autism-a-tragic-drama-o... ) .”
Background
That was a clear statement and a courageous act. De Niro made the decision not only to premier the Vaxxed film at his film festivan bust also to introduce the Director, Andrew Wakefield and the film personally. Before deciding, De Niro contacted US Congressman Bill Posey, the same Congressman who has spoken directly and at length with the Center for Disease Control (CDC) Whistleblower William Thompson ( http://celebritories.com/2016/03/vaxxed-filmmakers-accuse-de-niro-tribeca-fi... ).
In 2014 Thompson told Posey and others that the CDC, where he had been employed as a scientist, had documents that CDC officials deliberately suppressed tests that indicated links between the common MMR vaccine–Measles, Mumps and Rubella (whooping cough)– and child autism. After a one hour discussion with Posey on what he had been told by Thompson about the CDC autism coverup, De Niro made his personal decision to present the Wakefield film ( http://celebritories.com/2016/03/vaxxed-filmmakers-accuse-de-niro-tribeca-fi... ). Forty eight hours and a firestorm of mainstream media attack on De Niro’s decision led to his reversal of the screening.
In 2015 CDC whistleblower William Thompson, in an apparent act of conscience, told US Congressman Posey that while a senior scientist at CDC, he and his colleagues, after making a study of the link between vaccines and incidence of autism in small black boys, “scheduled a meeting to destroy documents related to the study. The remaining four co-authors all met and brought a big garbage can into the meeting room, and reviewed and went through all the hardcopy documents that we had thought we should discard, and put them into a huge garbage can.” The…co-authors…brought a big garbage can into the meeting room… [and put the documents]…into a huge garbage can. –CDC Senior Scientist Dr. William Thompson ( http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/10/robert-de-niro-and-autism-a-tragic-drama-o... ). A cowered US Congress declined to even hold hearings on Thompson’s charges, charges that could have brought the global vaccine industry down if held honestly. The pharmaceutical industry makes enormous financial contributions to Congressional candidates in key committees.
Autism Epidemic and Rise in Vaccinations
Once De Niro announced he would premier the Vaxxed film at his film festival, a savage firestorm of attacks erupted from US mainstream media ranging from New York Times to forces to CNN. They all attacked Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the Director of Vaxxed, a British citizen, medical doctor and scientist who was literally crucified, stripped of his medical license in Britain and attacked as a scientific fraud for publishing a study in 1998 in the respected scientific journal, Lancet, on possible links between MMR vaccinations and an alarming rise in child autism. Only in 2010 after twelve years of relentless pressure and attacks on Wakefield and claims of faulty methodology did Lancet finally retract the article ( http://www.medicaldaily.com/history-autism-and-vaccines-how-one-man-unravele... ).
I have personally met and talked at length with Andrew Wakefield and have respect for his refusal to be cowered by the pharmaceutical vaccine cartel. I have also met numerous children in clinics and rehabilitation centers who have been maimed, crippled or mentally turned into vegetables from vaccinations. Their stories are hushed up by the medical industry, a trillion dollar cartel that links countless medical professionals, scientists, pharmaceutical makers, the CDC and the WHO.
What none of the mainstream, politically correct, media dares to report in the De Niro-Wakefield debate are the alarming facts of the epidemic rise in autism in the USA over the past two decades. Autism rates climbed nearly 30% between 2008 and 2010. Incidents of child autism have more than doubled since 2000 according to a new study from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The condition affects one of every 68 children who are 8-year-olds. That’s up from one in 88 just two years earlier. Thirty years ago autism in the USA was virtually unheard of ( http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/27/autism-rates-rise/69578... ).
When it was first described in 1943 by Leo Kanner, it was believed to occur at a rate of 4–5 per 10,000 children. Today, 1 in 68 ( http://www.momsagainstmercury.autismoava.org/archivos/Theoretical-Aspects-of... )!
The CDC claims not to know the cause. It is clearly not genetic change because such changes take many generations to manifest. Therefore it must be a significant change in the environment of the children.
In 2011, Dr. Helen Ratajczak, herself a former senior scientist in the pharmaceutical industry published a groundbreaking article in the Journal of Immunotoxicology entitled “Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes–A review.” Ratajczak did what nobody else apparently has bothered to do: she reviewed the body of published science since autism was first described in 1943. Not just one theory suggested by research such as the role of MMR shots, or the mercury preservative thimerosal; but all of them.
Ratajczak’s article states, in part, that “Documented causes of autism include genetic mutations and/or deletions, viral infections, and encephalitis [brain damage] following vaccination [emphasis added]. Therefore, autism is the result of genetic defects and/or inflammation of the brain.”
The article goes on to discuss many potential vaccine-related culprits, including the increasing number of vaccines given in a short period of time. CBS award-winning journalist Sharyl Attkisson interviewed Ratajczak on her findings. “What I have published is highly concentrated on hypersensitivity, Ratajczak told Attkisson in an interview, “the body’s immune system being thrown out of balance.”
No less a scientist than Dr. James R. Shannon, former Director, National Institute of Health, stated, “The only safe vaccine is one that is never used ( https://vactruth.com/2011/06/06/part-1-of-3-an-interview-about-vaccines-with... ).” Robert De Niro is a magnificent actor. He let go of an opportunity to give mankind far more.
F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook ( http://journal-neo.org/ )”.
2016-04-17 19:33 GMT+03:00 Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org>:
Why do you persist in posting this OT bullshit on a cypherpunks
listserv? Go find a subreddit to pollute with your shitposts.
That's your own IMHO. You forgot to mention that. You've got thousands of people on this list. Not only you/a few more people who keep whining about "shitposts/ offtopic". By the way, i never read any of your own "great/ONtopic" posts (not talking about comments).
A post about vaccines and autism: exactly what does it have to do with encryption or any other topic even remotely connected to cypherpunks? Nothing. That's not an opinion - it is a fact. Whether I like the topic or think you're fucking nuts is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with crypto (etc.) There are more appropriate outlets for the types of things you two post. This isn't it. It's not a moderated list, and no one wants it to be. But we generally keep the discussion to some form of crypto/computers/privacy/security etc. This anti-vaxxer BS has nothing to do with the intended scope of the list. I generally ignore this list because of the nonsensical mess a few of you have made of it, which has driven off so many others as well. Back to ignore mode. -S ---------- On April 17, 2016 10:42:50 AM Александр <afalex169@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-04-17 19:33 GMT+03:00 Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org>:
Why do you persist in posting this OT bullshit on a cypherpunks
listserv? Go find a subreddit to pollute with your shitposts.
That's your own IMHO. You forgot to mention that. You've got thousands of people on this list. Not only you/a few more people who keep whining about "shitposts/ offtopic".
By the way, i never read any of your own "great/ONtopic" posts (not talking about comments).
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:24:39 -0700 Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org> wrote:
I generally ignore this list because of the nonsensical mess a few of you have made of it, which has driven off so many others as well.
It would be interesting to learn how many crypto-anarchists were driven off. On the other hand it's quite clear that some of the people who left were outright hostile to the fundamental and most basic tenet of cypherpunks : political anarchy. Also, the fact that some people sometimes post off topic stuff doesn't prevent other people from posting on topic stuff does it?
Back to ignore mode.
-S
---------- On April 17, 2016 10:42:50 AM Александр <afalex169@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-04-17 19:33 GMT+03:00 Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org>:
Why do you persist in posting this OT bullshit on a cypherpunks
listserv? Go find a subreddit to pollute with your shitposts.
That's your own IMHO. You forgot to mention that. You've got thousands of people on this list. Not only you/a few more people who keep whining about "shitposts/ offtopic".
By the way, i never read any of your own "great/ONtopic" posts (not talking about comments).
Someone with a little knowledge of R/similar could visualize the decay of cpunks much better than this, but here are some people who wrote code/built things/were real cypherpunks, versus fucking Mr. "Autism and Racial Strength" (first post 7/3/2014) over here with this thread and Juan "You're just an agent of the American Fascists" Garofalo (first post 9/09/2013) with the follow-through: * Cathal Garvey (last post 10/16/2015) * Eugen Leitl (last post 10/26/2015) * Peter Gutmann (seems to only troll now, but still posts) * James A. Donald (last post 01/24/2016) * John Young still posts, but substantially less And now we're left with the above two concern trolls and company who never even sent email to al-qaeda.net. It's an abject falsehood that raising the noise to totally drown out any signal and alienating the entire rest of the list is somehow not harmful to the list. Nobody who A.) has no concrete contribution to the community and/or B.) never posted to al-qaeda.net has any business posting more than, say, John Young. This isn't censorship, this is the continuity of the community. Just because you CAN spam cpunks with autism and racial strength doesn't mean it's necessarily cypherpunk to do so. Maybe submit to /r/DarkFuturology, guys? You'd probably get more engagement. On Sun, 2016-04-17 at 16:20 -0300, juan wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:24:39 -0700 Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org> wrote:
I generally ignore this list because of the nonsensical mess a few of you have made of it, which has driven off so many others as well.
It would be interesting to learn how many crypto-anarchists were driven off. On the other hand it's quite clear that some of the people who left were outright hostile to the fundamental and most basic tenet of cypherpunks : political anarchy.
Also, the fact that some people sometimes post off topic stuff doesn't prevent other people from posting on topic stuff does it?
Back to ignore mode.
-S
---------- On April 17, 2016 10:42:50 AM Александр <afalex169@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-04-17 19:33 GMT+03:00 Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org>:
Why do you persist in posting this OT bullshit on a cypherpunks
listserv? Go find a subreddit to pollute with your shitposts.
That's your own IMHO. You forgot to mention that. You've got thousands of people on this list. Not only you/a few more people who keep whining about "shitposts/ offtopic".
By the way, i never read any of your own "great/ONtopic" posts (not talking about comments).
-- Sent from Ubuntu
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:22:19 -0400 Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net> wrote:
and Juan "You're just an agent of the American Fascists" Garofalo
some of you are, others like garvey are left-wing fascist clowns hostile to libertarian politics and thus hostile to core 'cypherpunk' 'values' so fuck you. shitbag. I stated : "It would be interesting to learn how many crypto-anarchists were driven off" Now tell me stupid shitbag smith, who are the 'anarchists' that left this fine mailing list. I do agree that this list is pretty much a joke. And that is because of people like you and because of the fact that there isn't any real opposition to government to be found, anywhere. And arent' you just another one of those tor cunts on the pentagon's payroll, "Ted Smith"? (first post 9/09/2013) with the follow-through:
* Cathal Garvey (last post 10/16/2015) * Eugen Leitl (last post 10/26/2015) * Peter Gutmann (seems to only troll now, but still posts) * James A. Donald (last post 01/24/2016)
pretty much a 'libertarian' right winger - why does a lefty-pentagon-clown like you worry about him?
* John Young still posts, but substantially less
Oh JY is one of the few sane voices here. I doubt you ever read or understood any of his posts. If you did you'd know that he doesn't take any of this 'security' stuff seriously, and rightly so.
And now we're left with the above two concern trolls and company who never even sent email to al-qaeda.net.
Go ahead and link your posts to the any previous cpunk mailing list. I'll be waiting.
It's an abject falsehood that raising the noise to totally drown out any signal and alienating the entire rest of the list is somehow not harmful to the list.
Nobody who A.) has no concrete contribution to the community and/or B.) never posted to al-qaeda.net has any business posting more than, say, John Young. This isn't censorship, this is the continuity of the community. Just because you CAN spam cpunks with autism and racial strength doesn't mean it's necessarily cypherpunk to do so.
Maybe submit to /r/DarkFuturology, guys? You'd probably get more engagement.
On Sun, 2016-04-17 at 16:20 -0300, juan wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:24:39 -0700 Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org> wrote:
I generally ignore this list because of the nonsensical mess a few of you have made of it, which has driven off so many others as well.
It would be interesting to learn how many crypto-anarchists were driven off. On the other hand it's quite clear that some of the people who left were outright hostile to the fundamental and most basic tenet of cypherpunks : political anarchy.
Also, the fact that some people sometimes post off topic stuff doesn't prevent other people from posting on topic stuff does it?
Back to ignore mode.
-S
---------- On April 17, 2016 10:42:50 AM Александр <afalex169@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-04-17 19:33 GMT+03:00 Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org>:
Why do you persist in posting this OT bullshit on a cypherpunks
listserv? Go find a subreddit to pollute with your shitposts.
That's your own IMHO. You forgot to mention that. You've got thousands of people on this list. Not only you/a few more people who keep whining about "shitposts/ offtopic".
By the way, i never read any of your own "great/ONtopic" posts (not talking about comments).
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 06:22:19PM -0400, Ted Smith wrote:
* Peter Gutmann (seems to only troll now, but still posts)
This appears false. Peter expresses technical opinions: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-September/009048.html Sufficiently advanced trolling is indistinguishable from thought leadership ;)
By-the-way, the first problem with a discussion about vaccines and 'autism' is to take for granted that such a thing as 'autism' has any intellectual legitimacy, when in reality the concept of 'autism' is pseudo scientific garbage coming from the same scumbag 'scientists' who considered homosexuality a kind of 'mental illness' and who to this day 'cure' children who 'suffer' 'ADHD' by giving them amphetamine. A discussion about how 'medical' propaganda is used to manipulate people and how the state-enabled pharmaceutical mafia operates wouldn't be horribly off topic for a crypto-anarcho-punk list IMO...
By-the-way, the first problem with a discussion about vaccines and 'autism' is to take for granted that such a thing as 'autism' has any intellectual legitimacy, when in reality the concept of 'autism' is pseudo scientific garbage coming from the same scumbag 'scientists' who considered homosexuality a kind of 'mental illness' and who to this day 'cure' children who 'suffer' 'ADHD' by giving them amphetamine.
Are you sure you want to go here Juan? Because like it or not, and no matter how uncool or unmetro it is, cutting off your penis does not make you a woman. Yet the LBGQT crowd woudl debase women by calling such crippled men "women". Also, poop doesn't and cannot make love--you're body rejects the material coming out of your anus, why wouldn't be pathological? How about men who eat poop in the psych wards? Should the people who are evaluating them be considered "Pseudo-scientific garbage"? Feel free to take all the time you need to explain your position... \m
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:32:06 -0500 Xer0Dynamite <dreamingforward@gmail.com> wrote:
By-the-way, the first problem with a discussion about vaccines and 'autism' is to take for granted that such a thing as 'autism' has any intellectual legitimacy, when in reality the concept of 'autism' is pseudo scientific garbage coming from the same scumbag 'scientists' who considered homosexuality a kind of 'mental illness' and who to this day 'cure' children who 'suffer' 'ADHD' by giving them amphetamine.
Are you sure you want to go here Juan? Because like it or not, and no matter how uncool or unmetro it is, cutting off your penis does not make you a woman.
I've been looking at your message for a while and I'm still wondering how it is related to what I said. You don't seem to understand what the issue is, let alone be able to come up with a meaningful reply...
Yet the LBGQT crowd woudl debase women by calling such crippled men "women".
Maybe you should ask jesus and your government to pass a law against it.
Also, poop doesn't and cannot make love--you're body rejects the material coming out of your anus, why wouldn't be pathological? How about men who eat poop in the psych wards? Should the people who are evaluating them be considered "Pseudo-scientific garbage"?
Feel free to take all the time you need to explain your position...
\m
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2016-04-17 17:32, Xer0Dynamite wrote:
Are you sure you want to go here Juan? Because like it or not, and no matter how uncool or unmetro it is, cutting off your penis does not make you a woman. Yet the LBGQT crowd woudl debase women by calling
What the fuck do you care what someone wants to call themselves?
such crippled men "women". Also, poop doesn't and cannot make love--you're body rejects the material coming out of your anus, why
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/17/2016 11:48 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Question - is it possible to have an open public discussion on the issue of vaccinations and their level of safety or otherwise?
My take, just for the hell of it: 1) At least the best known early vaccines, and today's flu vaccines, are placebos. This is based on British public health statistics, consistently showing mortality attributed to contagious diseases in radical collapse before the introduction of vaccines against same, with no noticeable acceleration in that collapse after the introduction of the vaccines. Long story short: The entire impact of sanitary sewer systems, safer water supplies, public health policy, public health education and improved medical treatments for contagious illness have been attributed to vaccines. The studies most often cited in support of the effectiveness of flu vaccines share a methodological error which, when corrected, eliminates the appearance that flu vaccines have any effect, either way, on mortality stats. Long article, well worth reading: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/11/does-the-vaccine - -matter/307723/ or https://tinyurl.com/9mpzmt8 2) Vaccines probably do not "cause" autism. The illusion that they do would be present either way, as Autistim Spectrum disorders normally become apparent as developmental delays and atypical behaviors at about the same age children are given their first multiple doses of vaccines. I do think it is very likely that vaccination triggers earlier appearance of these symptoms due to the systemic stress of immune system overload, toxic preservatives, etc. produced by the vaccines. There are so many possible chemical drivers of subtle, complex, not-understood neurological disorders like autism that singling out one cause for an "epidemic" would require detailed studies of comparable populations who, for instance, do and do not eat manufactured foodlike product (anything not accurately labelled "organic"), do and do not live in households that use novel biochemicals daily (soaps and detergents with synthetic components, anything "scented", etc.), do and do not live in regions subject to major environmental toxicity, etc. Lots of luck getting that funded. In summary: Immunology is the science that tells us how vaccines should work. It is a very complex technical discipline, looking at massively complex organic processes. Any long term, motivated effort by immunologists to produce arguments for or against the effectiveness of vaccines should produce the desired "proofs." Funding is only available for studies that /assume/ vaccines work. Epidemiology is the science that can tell us whether or not vaccines work. It is a fairly simple and straightforward discipline, easily understandable by any literate person who makes the effort, and it tells us that vaccines do not work. A possible exception: Veterinary vaccines might actually work. If so, only because in the process of developing them, massively iterated "terminal experiments" are possible. Not so with humans, alas; all one has to go on there is "according to our PharmaChem funded research, this /should/ work," and "hey, at least it does not appear to kill people outright, so where's the harm?" Personally, I don't use them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXFR8MAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0LQ0sP/2x+W5ez3WS3pJsuiL8P7vxN K0UJx/fx7kN/J+xQ7h1GuUBWGkmkApvKLpUFNXqhr/dTLs5vBiKvD00X5LFP+qkz GUYw//HjKaLxpc+/RP/Q+aet5JegL3HiXtjJdU9CQB8kMvvkbNvtHw7mStvun6mw TulSUXsrZVUMitr1ddqNtInrTByI8KX6pINu7sKDrRKYabggsk/kLEPgbpSTXUxe 5tCg7LU+Q8AsqvzZxfnXKgYa0iTsm9cw17PN+398yoC3hL1J+xy/Q8ajsRkbEp91 UYclhrjwBws6Eyy6he+ZwiuZni0ojRjjEEKcLSqfkfinWJzdu3+g9xh+0Y3snois 5YK01meUELA6hfoBVCplgoSnQF2Lx4U8IT8bFpGn8p5UDN3Kx0ILnP96AC5bq5+t KnjahAUmipPCk2K868eoPS6g7c276q3dMGBur/gAOFtKan42FXQDzEbGF+riC+1w NdxeQVunh5s4oNotQk6iuXm2H3XzNhrR7APEV9XGdAyZVucRWZ6qOURkLJZXjeqq YbDNgqmJP871J3q4pm6rc8h1CvRUiOdCVAaxx/2irBV1XKXqk2MeZ3wFrOct3y1i Gene39Ffce8Z6jjnWnDjP2icgxSs+/Kj+p2Wriwp2ijj4RvuPuRp1yKMXJlCI3g3 sUGIE2IQpaTLUaf5WjPN =dUDo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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