Fwd: [liberationtech] XMPP object encryption at IETF about to die...
FYI: -------- Original Message -------- From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> Sent: November 11, 2014 7:18:49 PM EST To: liberationtech <liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu> Subject: [liberationtech] XMPP object encryption at IETF about to die... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I'm here at IETF 91 hanging with all the protocol nerds. I was talking to someone about OTR and they pointed out that the object-encryption standard for XMPP that has been put forward is about to die due to lack of interest and engagement: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e Has anyone seen this and thinks it could be a good thing to standardize? I realize it's a subset of what OTR provides but I'm wondering if this could be something we as a community might want to work with in this kind of standards body. Any e2e-has-a-posse folks have an interest here or is standardization not an interest or desire? best, Joe - -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist Center for Democracy & Technology 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 Washington DC 20006-4011 (p) 202-407-8825 (f) 202-637-0968 joe@cdt.org PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJUYqdpAAoJEF+GaYdAqahxuxsP/iABSEXS2U9ZexGDyKCVdCKD uiOI7lLzXBta+BDqh3UPIdb2vyQDJLUcnYuYL2ywBy3vaPDdm3NZMnYEEG4Rg96+ Yg1xyJtNZXGD/qs+bLb3po87dJzHINif7gg+IQs9NmfPt+oEu6WJIBH5ZBzwweTy FI7uxCvAxEkweCj8XP5O40EZX416EIVBi2gR+IUXK2clxbPLBCeu59xzLSvp9/on TQgDVq6SO4kCoZNktuXg1b6aOUEnk8ZoQLFGwq/CRaw4zc6/FUI74dQ6jGSaMOHR Edr99rUEXPKqxPXnDsi8Rw/4bgWogP2qYEmdVhh7Y9kzkQmiSih3wVxutsHJ3Fb7 DamUjZQ+rdGv4AMwy1dDaSPw1ij2V7csYJl2mb3OXFHmB2V0RZBBNgvXduju3ThX h3xNU7VE/5r6vBSiYLDtqMY/UPwrYKsvJ/N2ditIxVmOgtKVEdnQHh3OVZlKfMDE LsaZjjmQNOJoUO/TyTic5kOjhcHLnhgRfVEedwniSStFYBqrPYrGnovAQn5mns6j FXTq29A3UT6aF1iawd0Ut9WxK4AhxzlH83ZaaURKFsLVkm5ycHfSgBUb+nz5fiPW +QTyExfhZxYo2fEUzPPwwGKwYc0Ytvif+GlxOP80VekS8R5ajI1J8xzHPtxLJQFI qXMnJu4ilQlRgLVhlztN =6app -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at companys@stanford.edu.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Lack of interest and engagement???? Maybe I'm thinking of different things here, but OTR is part and parcel of how Adium works, and cypherpunks has an OTR plugin for Pidgin. And these tools are very widely used by those who utilize XMPP option through either Adium or Pidgin with OTR! There's no lack of interest in it. As an aside: You can use https://tox.im with Pidgin or Adium: 1) https://lilithlela.cyberguerrilla.org/?p=3060 2) https://wiki.tox.im/Tox_Pidgin_Protocol_Plugin 3) https://wiki.tox.im/Adium_Tox_Plugin So... getting to my question: Griffin, by lack of interest and engagement, do you mean that more people need to comment on tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e in order for it to move forward, or... something else? And if our comments in support of this object-encryption standard are needed, to who should they be best directed for greatest effect? Griffin Boyce:
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-------- Original Message -------- From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> Sent: November 11, 2014 7:18:49 PM EST To: liberationtech <liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu> Subject: [liberationtech] XMPP object encryption at IETF about to die...
I'm here at IETF 91 hanging with all the protocol nerds. I was talking to someone about OTR and they pointed out that the object-encryption standard for XMPP that has been put forward is about to die due to lack of interest and engagement:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e
Has anyone seen this and thinks it could be a good thing to standardize? I realize it's a subset of what OTR provides but I'm wondering if this could be something we as a community might want to work with in this kind of standards body.
Any e2e-has-a-posse folks have an interest here or is standardization not an interest or desire?
best, Joe
- -- http://abis.io ~ "a protocol concept to enable decentralization and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" https://keybase.io/odinn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUYr6lAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CDjoIAJAkjIEC5/YY1rduRev6uocI GDMhFHjufM4yq3QYFX8WZgg3eN5kYHiWmZOM6QOxH+uExa+fQxZ67fwcTPJnB5PO SVrgwV3TbkgYYB1c//YMmGkQ/U2nIKt039R/nShAok4NTsF9amNgEPuwnF7hQx41 A182e3RZG/q53f1BfS9FHQV3OYBCqEoD2xGydEUPzXAhfYq1CmToohtm7TcS0+cm Cjdj7yVb4iqbBjG7L5Wki3THIyItu+rgIeDmEYSXZ5tBsN3qs1pIEiw97lgdOiMt d/yAonvyh9W1QGaTgMSGIO3VJ/A0yqhwm2N6BgLCukuQZ9Tw+7qcsDE8ux6poj8= =eTXh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dnia środa, 12 listopada 2014 01:57:57 odinn pisze:
Lack of interest and engagement????
Maybe I'm thinking of different things here, but OTR is part and parcel of how Adium works, and cypherpunks has an OTR plugin for Pidgin.
And these tools are very widely used by those who utilize XMPP option through either Adium or Pidgin with OTR! There's no lack of interest in it.
As an aside:
You can use https://tox.im with Pidgin or Adium: 1) https://lilithlela.cyberguerrilla.org/?p=3060 2) https://wiki.tox.im/Tox_Pidgin_Protocol_Plugin 3) https://wiki.tox.im/Adium_Tox_Plugin
So... getting to my question:
Griffin, by lack of interest and engagement, do you mean that more people need to comment on tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e in order for it to move forward, or... something else?
And if our comments in support of this object-encryption standard are needed, to who should they be best directed for greatest effect?
As far as I understand, this draft is something different from OTR, and maybe that's the reason it dies a slow death -- OTR is "good enough". -- Pozdr rysiek
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