----- Forwarded message from The Doctor <drwho@virtadpt.net> ----- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:14:54 -0400 From: The Doctor <drwho@virtadpt.net> To: cryptography@randombit.net Subject: Re: [cryptography] The Compromised Internet Organization: Virtual Adept Networks, Unlimited User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130514 Thunderbird/17.0.6 Reply-To: drwho@virtadpt.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2013 09:35 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:

I don't see how a ham running a repeater backbone can prevent end to end encryption other than sniffing for traffic and actively disrupting it. I'm not sure tampering

If enough hams (or one sufficiently angry lone ham operator) decide that this is a problem they'll organize a turkey hunt to triangulate the operator(s) and politely ask them to stop before the feds get called in. The thinking behind this seems to be that the amateur community has been graciously granted a small portion of the RF spectrum to experiment with. People (licensed hams or otherwise) who do specifically prohibited things within the amateur bands (like transmitting encrypted traffic or undocumented digital protocols (which may be indistinguishable from encrypted traffic)) can get some or all of the amateur band taken away. A lot of time and effort are spent every year by ham operators who don't want this, that, or the other sliver of the amateur band reassigned away from amateur use, and someone doing something dodgy within those spectra could have disasterous consequences. When Project Byzantium was adding amateur radio support for ISC milestone #3, these regulations were noted and discussed at length during initial reasearch. We also spoke with the ARRL during development, which expressed similar sentiments about crypto in the amateur bands (and passing traffic from unlicensed network users over the amateur band, incidentally).

with transport is within ham ethics, though they definitely

That would probably fall under jamming, which is definitely against ham ethics.

don't understand the actual uses for encryption, at

The hams I've spoken to seem to, but they also seem to fall into the camp of "It's on the amateur bands, so if it's something I'd want to encrypt I'm not going to talk about it while chewing the rag anyway."

least the old hands (are there even new hands?).

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