On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:04 PM, jim bell wrote:

From: Ryan Carboni

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I have written down so notes on the movie.

Net result so far seems to be some conscious anti-spying adoption of crypto by the public, and even by corps (really just metoo offering into that demand lest they lose base / face to competition, yet not so much in a way that would diminish their ability to mine and sell you). A lot of prominent people, even the occaisional CEO, speaking out, and doing, on principle about things. A whole lot of journos profiteering and pulling Greenwalds, note the dozens of 'trust us to journo' securedrops now popping up for fools to feed raw data into their interpretive editorial bleaching machines. And a bunch of litigious rights orgs doing what they can up against... Effectively zero direct coordinated legislative effort by public to shut it down. That's the real problem. SOPA was black for a day. Snowden should have been black for a month, for infinity, but pretty much looked like crickets. And now that first chance moment has passed. Nothing really changed. And second chances rarely come. Sad.

One thing that would be useful is an app which showed the received signal strength for that cell phone, to a resolution much better than the usual 5-bar display.

Some old feature phones had detailed numeric diag screens for the radio side as part of their firmware you could access by entering "secret" keypad codes. New smartphones might have some api, or AT commands, never looked into it.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 03:32:41 -0500 Beaker Meeps wrote:

On 2/14/2017 2:04 PM, jim bell wrote:

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*From:* Ryan Carboni

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I have written down so notes on the movie. Also, my cell phone works fine in the microwave.

You might be very near a cell-phone tower.

if you want your phone to not receive calls you have to TURN ON the oven. This should be obvious...

Twas a hoot in Hong Kong when Snowden gulled the hapless reporters with ludicrous comsec stagecraft of pillows at door sill and refridged cellphones, while the landline phone, laptops and video remained bare-assed, not to overlook emanations grabbers galore now standard in hotels, conferences, transit, comms, restaurants, civil liberties lawyers and orgs. Unlikely any of the journos were uncontaminated before, during and after, nor the alleged aids to Ed's hideout and travel. It continues: Ed's persistent recommendations for comsec and privacy are as juvenile as the promotional campaign boy-in-the bubbling of him, the giant head videos, the robotic person to crowd display devices, the obviously ghost-written, lawyer and journo vetted statements, the prolonged dangling and dribbling docs crudely tampered with by redactions, partial releases, excessive hype, movies, documentaries, books, speeches, award -- all this represents a sophiticated publicity operation characteristic of a nation state being fronted by selected and highly-rewarded journalists and, who else but ACLU and the running companions amply funded by the usual conceited deep-pocketed bribers. No surprise WikiLeaks fell under the spell of bail-out saviors, jumped to leverage Snowden for its purposes and took the irresistable bait of institutional wealth in The Intercept/Freedom of the Press, et al, manner: wearing the magic cloak of government-protected journalism to cover ass and minimize risk while braying about security and public interest, and the era's favorite braggardy, claiming to have far more information than can be released, now and then offering up ever larger mysterious insurance files. Code word: holders of unreleased material know shit the public cannot ever have access to, the asymmetric mantra of spies and god's select since exploitive fear and ignorance was invented as gospel. Not that that is very different from the origin of cypherpunks: it has produced a slew of godspelling bastards like Assange, Snowden, moi and others still here who may out themselves. Snowdens are being invented persistently, which is probably a good thing to give Trump and his thugs no mercy, no privacy, no security, no peace of mind, no chance of doing what they dream of. At 07:49 AM 2/15/2017, you wrote:

On February 15, 2017 3:48:04 AM EST, juan wrote:

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On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 03:32:41 -0500 Beaker Meeps wrote:

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On 2/14/2017 2:04 PM, jim bell wrote:

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*From:* Ryan Carboni

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I have written down so notes on the movie. Also, my cell phone works fine in the microwave.

You might be very near a cell-phone tower.

if you want your phone to not receive calls you have to TURN ON the oven. This should be obvious...

Haha.

I think microwaves don't make the best faraday cages. Like an old schizophrenic friend of mine was wont to do, you can always stick to aluminum foil. Or better yet buy a cheap faraday bag and put the phone in that.

-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:53 PM, jim bell wrote:

large container of water ... microwave

Being in rooms that supply, or carrying around, both of these items is likely to be an uncommon situation, and difficult, impractical, and unreliable. So don't forget the obvious solution for the two most typical ops... 1) Don't carry a phone. or 2) If you have to carry, carry one with a removable [or switch modded] battery. Turn it off, remove the battery, data, SIM. 2a) Carry an anonymous phone whose bits are linked to nothing 2b) Encrypt and lock with passphrase 2c) Aluminum foil can be carried easily and seems effective insurance [1]. 2d) Note any supercaps and nearfield charging issues, along with audio muffling in those cases. Last, don't forget aftercare... hammer the fucker into bits and dispose accordingly. [1] None of the phones I've wrapped in a single layer of standard weight foil folded over once at the edge have been able to send or receive calls / sms / data (cellular or wifi). Carrying enough heavy weight foil to both wrap double and fold double is equally practical and won't tear up as soon. Throw a spectrum analyzer at it if you want to test for sure, which you should if you you're an operator, because I haven't and I'm not so don't trust me or anyone else. And if you're up against an adversary 1 or 2 above can't handle, let us know what your secret number 3 and grand operation was someday before you die, become a legend ;)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/15/2017 08:32 PM, Razer wrote:

On 02/15/2017 05:13 PM, grarpamp wrote:

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[1] None of the phones I've wrapped in a single layer of standard weight foil folded over once at the edge have been able to send or receive calls / sms / data (cellular or wifi).

I'd been waiting for someone to say this. The RF power output is pretty low to start with and almost any metal surrounding, especially if it's grounded, would mean the surveillance device would have to be with the phone... even if the cage leaked the signal strength would be almost nil.

But don't forget the "Aftercare"... It ALWAYS works.

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