Why a state of emergency "due to currency collapse" only benefits the elite

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Zenaan Harkness

24 Jan 2019 24 Jan '19

4:55 a.m.

The looming US Dollar collapse is something the Lame Stream Media and "the elite" want us to believe requires "a state of emergency" to be declared. This is simply not true - a new currency could immediately replace the old, within say 48 hours maximum. The problem with the simple option is that this simple option implies a wipe out of existing debts, and complete "debt forgiveness" for outstanding debtees - in particular, the USA government i.e. "nominally, the people". And the "problem" with that is that the (((elite bankers))) would lose their debt control over "the people", which of course they wish to perpetuate. The upcoming "state of emergency" is nothing other than a state of emergency for "the elites", and only because they're likely to spend a few months bickering about who gets the bigger slice "of initial debt" in their presumably proposed next round of people enslavement. In the next short while, "we the people" are very likely to be targetted. Doesn't sound particularly appealing to most of us... but, any solutions? … "The explanation is... media welcomes discussion of emergency rule, to prepare the forces of the state for coming conflicts with the working class. Their only disagreement with Trump is over which faction of the ruling elite... should direct the repression." https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-23/inside-fbis-police-state-operation... Inside The FBI's 'Police State' Operation Against Trump

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Punk

25 Jan 25 Jan

5:06 a.m.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:55:10 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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The looming US Dollar collapse is something the Lame Stream Media and "the elite" want us to believe requires "a state of emergency" to be declared.

This is simply not true - a new currency could immediately replace the old, within say 48 hours maximum.

what currency can do that?

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The problem with the simple option is that this simple option implies a wipe out of existing debts, and complete "debt forgiveness" for outstanding debtees - in particular, the USA government i.e. "nominally, the people".

that isn't exactly a problem - they will repudiate their debts. That's not a problem(for them) - that's their objective.

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And the "problem" with that is that the (((elite bankers))) would lose their debt control over "the people", which of course they wish to perpetuate.

what? Not at all. See above. by the way, is zerohedge a kremlin propaganda outlet?

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The upcoming "state of emergency" is nothing other than a state of emergency for "the elites", and only because they're likely to spend a few months bickering about who gets the bigger slice "of initial debt" in their presumably proposed next round of people enslavement.

In the next short while, "we the people" are very likely to be targetted.

Doesn't sound particularly appealing to most of us... but, any solutions?

… "The explanation is... media welcomes discussion of emergency rule, to prepare the forces of the state for coming conflicts with the working class. Their only disagreement with Trump is over which faction of the ruling elite... should direct the repression."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-23/inside-fbis-police-state-operation... Inside The FBI's 'Police State' Operation Against Trump

Zenaan Harkness

6:46 a.m.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 02:06:01AM -0300, Punk wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:55:10 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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The looming US Dollar collapse is something the Lame Stream Media and "the elite" want us to believe requires "a state of emergency" to be declared.

This is simply not true - a new currency could immediately replace the old, within say 48 hours maximum.

what currency can do that?

What currency would you accept? Gold and silver coin? Some digital coin? Everyone gets a million digits to start?

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The problem with the simple option is that this simple option implies a wipe out of existing debts, and complete "debt forgiveness" for outstanding debtees - in particular, the USA government i.e. "nominally, the people".

that isn't exactly a problem - they will repudiate their debts. That's not a problem(for them) - that's their objective.

The point is, control intends to maintain control, by the mechanisms in place and the shift soon to come. Another point is, can we shift in a way which is more useful, or makes more sense for more folks...

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And the "problem" with that is that the (((elite bankers))) would lose their debt control over "the people", which of course they wish to perpetuate.

what? Not at all. See above.

by the way, is zerohedge a kremlin propaganda outlet?

Most likely Russian propaganda. For sure :L)

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The upcoming "state of emergency" is nothing other than a state of emergency for "the elites", and only because they're likely to spend a few months bickering about who gets the bigger slice "of initial debt" in their presumably proposed next round of people enslavement.

In the next short while, "we the people" are very likely to be targetted.

Doesn't sound particularly appealing to most of us... but, any solutions?

… "The explanation is... media welcomes discussion of emergency rule, to prepare the forces of the state for coming conflicts with the working class. Their only disagreement with Trump is over which faction of the ruling elite... should direct the repression."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-23/inside-fbis-police-state-operation... Inside The FBI's 'Police State' Operation Against Trump

Punk

5:19 p.m.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:46:48 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 02:06:01AM -0300, Punk wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:55:10 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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The looming US Dollar collapse is something the Lame Stream Media and "the elite" want us to believe requires "a state of emergency" to be declared.

This is simply not true - a new currency could immediately replace the old, within say 48 hours maximum.

what currency can do that?

What currency would you accept?

Gold and silver coin?

Yeah, gold and silver are fine. I'm not sure they could be (re)adopted overnight, not because of any fault of their own but because the govt money system is obviously entrenched. On the other hand, it can happen gradually and probably in a gradual but fast way.

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Some digital coin? Everyone gets a million digits to start?

I don't think cryptocurrencies are mature enough. There's no scalable, decentralized, anonymous cryptocoin as far as I know. Gold and silver are pretty hard to beat =)

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The problem with the simple option is that this simple option implies a wipe out of existing debts, and complete "debt forgiveness" for outstanding debtees - in particular, the USA government i.e. "nominally, the people".

that isn't exactly a problem - they will repudiate their debts. That's not a problem(for them) - that's their objective.

The point is, control intends to maintain control, by the mechanisms in place and the shift soon to come.

Yes and debt repudiation either outright or through massive inflation is one way to maintain control.

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Another point is, can we shift in a way which is more useful, or makes more sense for more folks...

Seems unlikely for the time being given the current political 'culture' (or complete lack of culture rather)

Zenaan Harkness

9:03 p.m.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 02:19:58PM -0300, Punk wrote:

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:46:48 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 02:06:01AM -0300, Punk wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:55:10 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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The looming US Dollar collapse is something the Lame Stream Media and "the elite" want us to believe requires "a state of emergency" to be declared.

This is simply not true - a new currency could immediately replace the old, within say 48 hours maximum.

what currency can do that?

What currency would you accept?

Gold and silver coin?

Yeah, gold and silver are fine. I'm not sure they could be (re)adopted overnight, not because of any fault of their own but because the govt money system is obviously entrenched. On the other hand, it can happen gradually and probably in a gradual but fast way.

Yes, gold and silver would require some time, certainly. A replacement fiat is what could be done very quickly in comparison.

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Some digital coin? Everyone gets a million digits to start?

I don't think cryptocurrencies are mature enough. There's no scalable, decentralized, anonymous cryptocoin as far as I know. Gold and silver are pretty hard to beat =)

Indeed - instrinsic value, traditional money, reserves of all sane "reserve" banks, etc etc

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The problem with the simple option is that this simple option implies a wipe out of existing debts, and complete "debt forgiveness" for outstanding debtees - in particular, the USA government i.e. "nominally, the people".

that isn't exactly a problem - they will repudiate their debts. That's not a problem(for them) - that's their objective.

The point is, control intends to maintain control, by the mechanisms in place and the shift soon to come.

Yes and debt repudiation either outright or through massive inflation is one way to maintain control.

Ack. I can see my words were ambiguous. I do agree.

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Another point is, can we shift in a way which is more useful, or makes more sense for more folks...

Seems unlikely for the time being given the current political 'culture' (or complete lack of culture rather)

Zenaan Harkness

1 Feb 1 Feb

8:51 a.m.

New subject: martial law - same diff -- Re: Why a state of emergency "due to currency collapse" only benefits the elite

Martial law due to any "state of emergency" (due to currency collapse, immigration, extreme left|right political divide etc, is a tool of the (((banking elite))) to get control over the people for the short period of time requried to instute new foundation money printing (/debt issuance) contracts with any interim/ current/ new government: Martial Law Is Unacceptable Under Any President https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-31/martial-law-unacceptable-under-any... On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 08:03:08AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 02:19:58PM -0300, Punk wrote:

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:46:48 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 02:06:01AM -0300, Punk wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:55:10 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

...
The looming US Dollar collapse is something the Lame Stream Media and "the elite" want us to believe requires "a state of emergency" to be declared.

This is simply not true - a new currency could immediately replace the old, within say 48 hours maximum.

what currency can do that?

What currency would you accept?

Gold and silver coin?

Yeah, gold and silver are fine. I'm not sure they could be (re)adopted overnight, not because of any fault of their own but because the govt money system is obviously entrenched. On the other hand, it can happen gradually and probably in a gradual but fast way.

Yes, gold and silver would require some time, certainly. A replacement fiat is what could be done very quickly in comparison.

...
...
Some digital coin? Everyone gets a million digits to start?

I don't think cryptocurrencies are mature enough. There's no scalable, decentralized, anonymous cryptocoin as far as I know. Gold and silver are pretty hard to beat =)

Indeed - instrinsic value, traditional money, reserves of all sane "reserve" banks, etc etc

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The problem with the simple option is that this simple option implies a wipe out of existing debts, and complete "debt forgiveness" for outstanding debtees - in particular, the USA government i.e. "nominally, the people".

that isn't exactly a problem - they will repudiate their debts. That's not a problem(for them) - that's their objective.

The point is, control intends to maintain control, by the mechanisms in place and the shift soon to come.

Yes and debt repudiation either outright or through massive inflation is one way to maintain control.

Ack. I can see my words were ambiguous. I do agree.

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Another point is, can we shift in a way which is more useful, or makes more sense for more folks...

Seems unlikely for the time being given the current political 'culture' (or complete lack of culture rather)

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John Newman

25 Jan 25 Jan

2:59 p.m.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 02:06:01AM -0300, Punk wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:55:10 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

...
The looming US Dollar collapse is something the Lame Stream Media and "the elite" want us to believe requires "a state of emergency" to be declared.

This is simply not true - a new currency could immediately replace the old, within say 48 hours maximum.

what currency can do that?

...
The problem with the simple option is that this simple option implies a wipe out of existing debts, and complete "debt forgiveness" for outstanding debtees - in particular, the USA government i.e. "nominally, the people".

that isn't exactly a problem - they will repudiate their debts. That's not a problem(for them) - that's their objective.

...
And the "problem" with that is that the (((elite bankers))) would lose their debt control over "the people", which of course they wish to perpetuate.

what? Not at all. See above.

by the way, is zerohedge a kremlin propaganda outlet?

Fuckwit, sorry I mean Zenaan (sorry about that Zenster), is a gullible, credulous, easily-confused, and (nearly always, although I only see his shit when it gets responded to) _off-topic_ fucking idiot. Some info about zerohedge, take with appropriate pound of salt (and these are rationalwiki's opinions, not mine: I've never followed zerohedge, and Z's endorsement makes me unlikely to ever bother) - https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

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The upcoming "state of emergency" is nothing other than a state of emergency for "the elites", and only because they're likely to spend a few months bickering about who gets the bigger slice "of initial debt" in their presumably proposed next round of people enslavement.

In the next short while, "we the people" are very likely to be targetted.

Doesn't sound particularly appealing to most of us... but, any solutions?

… "The explanation is... media welcomes discussion of emergency rule, to prepare the forces of the state for coming conflicts with the working class. Their only disagreement with Trump is over which faction of the ruling elite... should direct the repression."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-23/inside-fbis-police-state-operation... Inside The FBI's 'Police State' Operation Against Trump

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