"Gentlemen, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap!!!" Dr Strangelove, movie, 1964. U.S. intelligence sounds the alarm on the quantum gap with China https://news.yahoo.com/u-s-intelligence-sounds-alarm-quantum-gap-china-10001...
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:58:24 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Gentlemen, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap!!!" Dr Strangelove, movie, 1964.
U.S. intelligence sounds the alarm on the quantum gap with China https://news.yahoo.com/u-s-intelligence-sounds-alarm-quantum-gap-china-10001...
I'm really curious Jim. Why do you post US military propaganda with no comentary of your own? Every time you post US military propaganda, I think the default position is to assume that you believe it?
On Monday, December 10, 2018, 10:06:11 AM PST, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:58:24 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Gentlemen, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap!!!" Dr Strangelove, movie, 1964.
U.S. intelligence sounds the alarm on the quantum gap with China https://news.yahoo.com/u-s-intelligence-sounds-alarm-quantum-gap-china-10001...
> I'm really curious Jim. Why do you post US military propaganda with no comentary of your own? > Every time you post US military propaganda, I think the default position is to assume that you believe it? Apparently you remain clueless. Even if it is propaganda (and I'm not denying that it is), that doesn't mean that we, the readers of the Cypherpunks mailing list, shouldn't become aware of it. Should we only post things that make us all feel nice and comfy?? While I wasn't reading the CP list in 1993 (I wasn't even aware of its existence) I'm sure that there was extensive discussion of the Clipper chip, that government-proposed encryption chip with its famous government-controlled backdoor. The ostensible need for such a thing was inherently government propaganda, yet it was discussed here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip × Secondly, I did in fact comment. See the reference above to the movie, Dr. Strangelove. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y&t=94s At 4:13. Maybe you (maybe even the large majority of you?) are just way too young to have seen this movie. While I didn't see it in the theater (I was 6 years old in 1964), common practice on TV in the 60's, 70's, and 80's was to show old movies, often late at night. ("The Late Show") I believe I saw this movie at least a few times by 1980, and probably later as well. The "mine-shaft-gap" comment was in fact a parody of the "missile-gap" warnings of the late 1950's and early 1960's. The USSR had famously orbited the Sputnik satellite well before America did, and there was some degree of paranoia over the question of whether the USSR was way ahead of America in the area of nuclear-tipped missiles. (It emerged in the news, decades later, that there was no "missile-gap", at least not in USSR's favor. The opposite was true.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap Sorry that you didn't get the joke. Jim Bell ×
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:45:36 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Secondly, I did in fact comment.
Yes, my bad and I apologize.
See the reference above to the movie, Dr. Strangelove. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y&t=94s At 4:13. Maybe you (maybe even the large majority of you?) are just way too young to have seen this movie.
haha I wish I was way too young - Anyway, I know the movie is a classic of sorts. I think it's an anti war movie to some degree. And i even tried watching it a while back but didn't find it interesting (but maybe I should try again)
Sorry that you didn't get the joke.
nah, I'm fully to blame =) So I guess bottom line is that current propaganda has already been ridiculed in fiction just like the current dystopian world was predicted by Huxley and Orwell.
Jim Bell ×
On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:23:34 AM PST, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:45:36 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Secondly, I did in fact comment.
> Yes, my bad and I apologize.
See the reference above to the movie, Dr. Strangelove. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y&t=94s At 4:13. Maybe you (maybe even the large majority of you?) are just way too young to have seen this movie.
> haha I wish I was way too young - Anyway, I know the movie is a classic of sorts. I think it's an anti war movie to some degree. And i even tried watching it a while back but didn't find it interesting (but maybe I should try again) I was instantly clued-in when I saw the use of the word, "gap". "mine-shaft gap" and "missile gap" came to mind. While I generally like the way society and technology is progressing, one seemingly minor exception involves the esoteric question, "How do people have access to old movies?" As I pointed out, TV stations used to play old (non-current-run) movies for free (although with commercials) extensively. How do we watch, today, movies like Dr. Strangelove? Is it available at the local used-DVD shop? (I haven't looked.) Okay, Youtube a few years ago shifted movies to a pay-model, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=her67M_clPc Problem is, notice that the price for this movie is $3.99. That's pretty much the same price as all the other old movies. Sounds artificial: While some relatively recent movies might be worth that price, I think one dollar (or less) should be the going rate for old movies from before, say, the year 2000. I have Netflix, but they are far from being a complete stock of all old movies. There are apparently other, similar services. But again, I doubt whether any of them are close to having "every old movie ever made". Jim Bell
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:43:51 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
While I generally like the way society and technology is progressing, one seemingly minor exception involves the esoteric question, "How do people have access to old movies?"
Haha. Well, society is progressing towards the extermination of the human race by means of 'technology' (and I don't think that's the outcome you're hoping for) Anyway, one of the very few positive developments of the las 30 years is so called 'online piracy' (which is of course 100% cypherpunk) so people who want to watch dr strangelove can simply download this torrent https://pirateproxy.gdn/torrent/8063710/Dr.Strangelove.1964.720p.BluRay.x264...
As I pointed out, TV stations used to play old (non-current-run) movies for free (although with commercials) extensively. How do we watch, today, movies like Dr. Strangelove? Is it available at the local used-DVD shop? (I haven't looked.) Okay, Youtube a few years ago shifted movies to a pay-model,
see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=her67M_clPc Problem is, notice that the price for this movie is $3.99. That's pretty much the same price as all the other old movies.
Oh yes. I noticed now the NSA is charging for movies =) - And yes the prices are ridiculous. Then again, so called 'intellectual property' is an anti libertarian toxic government monopoly so no surprises there =) However, that anti libertarian monopoly can be worked around to some degree thanks to 'piracy'. Sounds artificial: While some relatively recent movies might be worth that price, I think one dollar (or less) should be the going rate for old movies from before, say, the year 2000.
I have Netflix, but they are far from being a complete stock of all old movies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent and even better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella There are apparently other, similar services. But again, I doubt whether any of them are close to having "every old movie ever made".
Jim Bell
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 1:35:49 PM PST, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:43:51 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
While I generally like the way society and technology is progressing,
Do you mind elaborating on the direction/destination you think that 'society' is 'prgoressing'(moving?) to?
Generally, the way technology is being integrated and used by ordinary people. NOT that I'm saying that there have been no negatives or drawbacks. Jim Bell
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:23:55PM -0300, juan wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:45:36 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Secondly, I did in fact comment.
Yes, my bad and I apologize.
See the reference above to the movie, Dr. Strangelove. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y&t=94s At 4:13. Maybe you (maybe even the large majority of you?) are just way too young to have seen this movie.
haha I wish I was way too young - Anyway, I know the movie is a classic of sorts. I think it's an anti war movie to some degree. And i even tried watching it a while back but didn't find it interesting (but maybe I should try again)
It's pretty fucking funny. Peter Sellers is hilarious. Maybe the funniest thing about all of it is what Daniel Ellsberg and some of his colleagues at the RAND corporation said to each other when they came out of seeing it at a movie theater in 1964: "That was a documentary" Ellsberg did some nasty nuclear work with the RAND people long before the pentagon papers came out... he wrote a decent book about it (fairly) recently. https://www.wired.com/2018/03/geeks-guide-doctor-strangelove/ There's a link in the above to a (podcast) interview with Ellsberg that is pretty interesting.
Sorry that you didn't get the joke.
nah, I'm fully to blame =)
So I guess bottom line is that current propaganda has already been ridiculed in fiction just like the current dystopian world was predicted by Huxley and Orwell.
Jim Bell ×
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:58:24 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Gentlemen, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap!!!" Dr Strangelove, movie, 1964.
U.S. intelligence sounds the alarm on the quantum gap with China https://news.yahoo.com/u-s-intelligence-sounds-alarm-quantum-gap-china-10001...
I'm really curious Jim. Why do you post US military propaganda with no comentary of your own? Every time you post US military propaganda, I think the default position is to assume that you believe it? -------- Sorry, on second thoughts, maybe this particular message was critical given the (obscure) reference to that movie.
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