[wrong] Killing the PGP web of trust
It has been a long, weary battle to exterminate the PGP web of trust, but it has nearly concluded. The first step was to make it nearly impossible for people to use pgp. Many of our soldiers lost their lives in battles against user interface developers and alternative standardisations. Luckily, this phase of the war was won, and pop was only ever used by trackable nerds and professionals. The second phase of the war was to prison keysigning parties. Although we were extensively delayed by the deception of labeling a military conference a "party", after a few bombings we managed to make these parties seem boring and bland even to those actually interested in secret communication. The third phase was deployment of various forms of disruption of keyservers. We spread rumors that it was the use of servers that compromised people's privacy, rather than their personal choice of associating their legal name with their email address. We produced fake keys that sounded legit, and signed them with extensive fake signatures with fake timestamps, and then publicised these through spies to spread worry. We spammed keys with signatures and uploaded them to the servers en masse, to lay seige to the supply lines of this enemy. The fourth and final phase was coronavirus. By breaking all the signing parties up, we could mitm all their communications, and prevent them from forming plans to attack our borders. In the confusion we wrought by disrupting their communications, we were able to cut people off from the terrorrism of pgp altogether. Debian is shifting to use a tool from bsd, who trusted us from the start. The seeds we have planted will grow a beautiful nation of people who trust only us, and never their friends. The preceding paragraphs are shared in sarcasm. It is horrible to lose pgp, it means whoever is the best at hacking your isps controls the world, and nobody knows for sure who that is.
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It's pretty cool that debian found a way to upgrade the algorithms, of course, which is super important. I don't imagine adding something like a web of trust to the new system would be hard, but nobody seems to have done it yet in the time since that signify post from 2013.
I glanced through https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27586146 which has some dialog with a debian supporter of the new non-pgp system. The plan appears to be to store the new keys in files (e.g. installation media) that is still pgp-signed (not certain) at this point, since the change is only for apt and not media images. So things can still be verified fully using the web of trust, but the process for doing that is still an obscure and bloated one without tooling.
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 20:45:18 -0400 Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I glanced through https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27586146 which has some dialog with a debian supporter of the new non-pgp system.
they must have switched to a new, gender-equal, feminazi system that prevent 'human trafficking' no?
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 8:52 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 20:45:18 -0400 Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
I glanced through https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27586146 which has some dialog with a debian supporter of the new non-pgp system.
they must have switched to a new, gender-equal, feminazi system that prevent 'human trafficking' no?
I might be too confused this week to figure out how what you're saying relates to what I said. I understand we both made jokes, but I don't see any other relation yet. I understand that human trafficking is something I care about, and I am the person who made the post. I did regret making jokes more than usual due to different parts of my mind than usual not understanding what I was saying. Of course gender-equality very slightly reduces human trafficking for people who adopt it because they are less likely to work with sex slaves or ignore the ways sex slaves behave. It doesn't exactly seem like a solution to the problem. It seems to me pgp works a _lot_ better than that, but we will of course have to find our way through this whole "global surveillance state" thing to make any use of e2e encryption. An important situation. What do you think, punk-batsoup-stasi, of the "legal" human trafficking exerted by the governments of the world on their very own citizens?
It's also true, I found a corporate discussion portal for talking about debian rather than debian list running on debian servers. Possibly a big joke. It was much easier to find the corporate portal than a relevant debian list. I'm on a debian list but didn't hear about this. What if it's not even real 0,o . Seems unlikely.
On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 05:40:57 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course gender-equality very slightly reduces human trafficking for people who adopt it because they are less likely to work with sex slaves
thanks karl for showing again that you are a US govt agent. See your previous posts about denying that 'human trafficking' is feminazi anti-sex jargon.
What do you think, punk-batsoup-stasi, of the "legal" human trafficking exerted by the governments of the world on their very own citizens?
I don't know what you're talking about. You mean all the crimes your 'democratic' government commits? 'Human trafficking' doesn't enter the picture. 'Human trafficking' is just US govt feminazi jargon. As to all the crimes your 'democratic' government commits, you're a typical enabler of those crimes.
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 1:18 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 05:40:57 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course gender-equality very slightly reduces human trafficking for people who adopt it because they are less likely to work with sex slaves
thanks karl for showing again that you are a US govt agent. See your previous posts about denying that 'human trafficking' is feminazi anti-sex jargon.
It was you who said "human trafficking" here rather than "slavery" or "normal labor for people who don't live at the top of an empire" or somesuch. I don't really understand where you come from here.
What do you think, punk-batsoup-stasi, of the "legal" human trafficking
exerted by the governments of the world on their very own citizens?
I don't know what you're talking about. You mean all the crimes your 'democratic' government commits? 'Human trafficking' doesn't enter the picture. 'Human trafficking' is just US govt feminazi jargon.
As to all the crimes your 'democratic' government commits, you're a typical enabler of those crimes.
Splitting hairs, no?
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