They bombed him. This is the first incident in the US that I am aware of. "10:20 a.m. A robotics expert says Dallas police appear to be the first law enforcement agency to use a robot to kill. Peter W. Singer, of the New America Foundation, says the killing of a suspect in Thursday night's fatal shooting of five police officers is the first instance of which he's aware of a robot being used lethally by police. Dallas Police Chief David Brown told reporters that after hours of failed negotiations and in order to not put any officers in harm's way, his department used a robot to deliver a bomb that killed the suspect. Brown said they saw no other option. Singer said in an email Friday that when he was researching his 2009 book "Wired for War" a U.S. soldier told him troops in Iraq sometimes used MARCbot surveillance robots against insurgents." http://www.wrdw.com/content/news/The-Latest-Police-1-officer-killed-3-injure...
On 07/08/2016 10:46 AM, M373 wrote:
They bombed him. This is the first incident in the US that I am aware of.
"10:20 a.m.
A robotics expert says Dallas police appear to be the first law enforcement agency to use a robot to kill.
Peter W. Singer, of the New America Foundation, says the killing of a suspect in Thursday night's fatal shooting of five police officers is the first instance of which he's aware of a robot being used lethally by police.
Dallas Police Chief David Brown told reporters that after hours of failed negotiations and in order to not put any officers in harm's way, his department used a robot to deliver a bomb that killed the suspect. Brown said they saw no other option.
Singer said in an email Friday that when he was researching his 2009 book "Wired for War" a U.S. soldier told him troops in Iraq sometimes used MARCbot surveillance robots against insurgents."
http://www.wrdw.com/content/news/The-Latest-Police-1-officer-killed-3-injure...
Local PD used one to kill a guy who was already dead about 8/9 years ago. A cop saw a wanted fleeing felon in a van in a parking lot, approached the door, gunfire exchanged and he retreated. An hour or two later in the 'standoff' they sent out a robot to place a concussion grenade under the van and detonated it. They found out the perp had been mortally wounded in the initial exchange of gunfire and was dead when they blew him up. They've also used the robot to blow up a couple of Geotag gamer caches around town ROTF! Rr
Philadelphia PD used bombs, dropped from a helicopter, against members of the MOVE group. 10+ people died, and the fire, which firefighters were ordered to ignore, destroyed 60+ houses.
On 07/08/2016 03:45 PM, Jack Liddy wrote:
Philadelphia PD used bombs, dropped from a helicopter, against members of the MOVE group. 10+ people died, and the fire, which firefighters were ordered to ignore, destroyed 60+ houses.
MOVE! As I pointed out in my twitter discussions of what just happened in Dallas, referring to the 'back to africa' nature of the org's FB page being in conflict with armed revolutionary groups (b/c the New BPP and it's useful idiot clones like this are quite confused)., MOVE!'s destruction (along with the city block thanks to a fire caused by a satchel bomb PPD ILLEGALLY acquired from the FBI) was commanded because of an adamant refusal to comply with citations regarding an illegal compost pile and keeping livestock (chickens I believe) in city limits. "Some notes on the MOVE! organization & MOVE9 in Response to a comparison with the Symbionese Liberation Army": http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/85529775934 Wherein it's noted Cinque was a product of a MKUltra shrink @ Atascadero. He was an LASD public disorder unit operative before they 'regrooved' him... More. MOVE! generally: http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/85426158239 Also see this wayback machine cache of the Huey P. Newton Foundation's web page that discusses everything POLICE PROVOCATEUR about the New (so-called) Black Panther Party. which has (or had) a very active chapter in Dallas that's been in the news over the last few years for arms violations etc. http://web.archive.org/web/20140106051514/http://blackpanther.org/FAQs.html Rr "You'll never silence the voice of the voiceless"
On 7/8/16, Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/85529775934 MOVE! generally: http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/85426158239 http://web.archive.org/web/20140106051514/http://blackpanther.org/FAQs.html
There seems to be a fair blowback brewing over the MURDER of the Dallas guy by sending in a killbot while both sides were sortof just stalemated and chilling out for a while. Should have just pitched camp and waited for him to give up, try to become some more kind of an hero, or die of dehydration.
On 07/09/2016 02:54 AM, grarpamp wrote:
http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/85529775934 MOVE! generally: http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/85426158239 http://web.archive.org/web/20140106051514/http://blackpanther.org/FAQs.html There seems to be a fair blowback brewing over the MURDER of the Dallas guy by sending in a killbot while both sides were sortof just stalemated and chilling out for a while. Should have just pitched camp and waited for him to give up,
On 7/8/16, Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote: try to become some more kind of an hero, or die of dehydration.
You know... If they can't prove necessity you could ALMOST get a murder charge worked up which is normally impossible. You can't convict cops for murder because: "The law that authorizes federal criminal civil rights charges against police officers says that in a homicide case ... a police officer can be guilty only if he not only violated the victim’s Fourth Amendment right to be free from excessive force, ***but the officer also “willfully” violated that right***". “Law enforcement actions based on fear, panic, misperception or even poor judgment do not constitute willful conduct prosecutable under the statute." http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/104858503374 Blowing up a suspect instead of waiting them out COULD be construed to be a wilful act. Rr
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:45:56 +0000 Jack Liddy <jackeliddy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Philadelphia PD used bombs, dropped from a helicopter, against members of the MOVE group. 10+ people died, and the fire, which firefighters were ordered to ignore, destroyed 60+ houses.
That's the price you pay to live in a civilized, first-world community. If the good guys didn't do that, the terrorists would take over. Just ask Stephen Williams. He'll explain it.
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 11:00:03PM -0300, juan wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:45:56 +0000 Jack Liddy <jackeliddy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Philadelphia PD used bombs, dropped from a helicopter, against members of the MOVE group. 10+ people died, and the fire, which firefighters were ordered to ignore, destroyed 60+ houses.
That's the price you pay to live in a civilized, first-world community. If the good guys didn't do that, the terrorists would take over.
Just ask Stephen Williams. He'll explain it.
:) Or ask Poroshenko, Tony Blair, Clinton, most Australian politicians or...
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:39:38 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 11:00:03PM -0300, juan wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:45:56 +0000 Jack Liddy <jackeliddy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Philadelphia PD used bombs, dropped from a helicopter, against members of the MOVE group. 10+ people died, and the fire, which firefighters were ordered to ignore, destroyed 60+ houses.
That's the price you pay to live in a civilized, first-world community. If the good guys didn't do that, the terrorists would take over.
Just ask Stephen Williams. He'll explain it.
:)
Or ask Poroshenko, Tony Blair, Clinton, most Australian politicians or...
or putin or any other psycho from the russian government.
https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/08/messenger-adds-end-to-end-encryption/ Quote:"Facebook Messenger wants to be your primary messaging app. As people become more and more concerned about security, being the best messaging app means being the most secure. That’s why Facebook is finally adding an option for users to encrypt their chats in Messenger.Messenger will begin to offer an end-to-end encryption feature to a limited test group of users today. It’s a security option that’s been a long time coming for Facebook, which has considered making end-to-end encryption available for several months. The so-called “secret conversations” debuted today will be only visible to the sender and the reader, which means Facebook can’t enable some of the chatbot and payment features that are normally a part of the Messenger experience. However, end-to-end encryption boxes out law enforcement and even Facebook itself from reading users’ chats, ensuring that their conversations remain private.Messenger has also taken steps to make sure that chats remain secure, even if a user’s device gets lost or stolen. In secret conversations, Messenger will allow users to set an expiration date for a message so that it won’t be visible in the conversation forever. Once the time runs out, the message will vanish from the devices of all users in the conversation. Facebook released technical details about its implementation of secret conversations in a white paper (PDF).Secret conversation mode will only be available on iOS and Android, not in Messenger.com, Facebook chat, or the desktop Messenger app — at least for now. Facebook’s vice president of messaging products David Marcus told TechCrunch that the addition of end-to-end encryption is intended to help Messenger become everyone’s go-to app."[end of portion quoted] Jim Bell
2016-07-09 7:46 GMT+03:00 jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com>:
https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/08/messenger-adds-end-to-end-encryption/
Quote: "Facebook Messenger wants to be your primary messaging app. As people become more and more concerned about security, being the best messaging app means being the most secure. That’s why Facebook is finally adding an option for users to encrypt their chats in Messenger. Messenger will begin to offer an end-to-end encryption feature to a limited test group of users today. It’s a security option that’s been a long time coming for Facebook, which has considered making end-to-end encryption available for several months. The so-called “secret conversations” debuted today will be only visible to the sender and the reader, which means Facebook can’t enable some of the chatbot and payment features that are normally a part of the Messenger experience. However, end-to-end encryption boxes out law enforcement and even Facebook itself from reading users’ chats, ensuring that their conversations remain private. Messenger has also taken steps to make sure that chats remain secure, even if a user’s device gets lost or stolen. In secret conversations, Messenger will allow users to set an expiration date for a message so that it won’t be visible in the conversation forever. Once the time runs out, the message will vanish from the devices of all users in the conversation. Facebook released technical details about its implementation of secret conversations in a white paper (PDF <https://fbnewsroomus.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/secret_conversations_whitepaper.pdf> ). Secret conversation mode will only be available on iOS and Android, not in Messenger.com, Facebook chat, or the desktop Messenger app — at least for now. Facebook’s vice president of messaging products David Marcus told TechCrunch that the addition of end-to-end encryption is intended to help Messenger become everyone’s go-to app." [end of portion quoted] Jim Bell
Jim, everyone, is it just me, or.... but when i see/hear the word "facebook" i get vomiting reflex and can't force myself reading further?
I'm not talking about using/not using it (facebook/their new secUUUre app), but talking about trust. *A total lack of trust toward them.* No matter what they write, say or "invent". Reminds me a saying on Russian towards a well known enemy which states, "you can kill me, but i won't believe you". ___ * the same refers to google too, of course. I use it, for example, 'cause i *have to* from various of reasons, but do i trust them? NO WAY. Do i use it for sensitive stuff? NO WAY. And their "new encryption" or "goody goody statements" won't buy my trust after all the revelations! And i don't need "new" revelations to keep that in my mind. But.... am i the only one? Do we need a Snowden explosion every 3-5 years to keep in mind that we are being fucked up all the time by the googles-facebooks and alike? -> thus NOT to trust them, no matter how they "sing"? I hope that we don't. .
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https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/08/messenger-adds-end-to-end-encryption /
Quote: "Facebook Messenger wants to be your primary messaging app. As people become more and more concerned about security, being the best messaging app means being the most secure. That’s why Facebook is finally adding an option for users to encrypt their chats in Messenger.
So in brief, The Facebook wants to assure that that The Facebook, its DARPA investors, and whoever has broken into a given user's computer have /exclusive/ access to that user's "private" comms. - From a marketing perspective, as long as whatever they deploy is "good enough" that it can not be easily demonstrated useless, mission accomplished. Not that it matters much: Some people believe that The Facebook is an appropriate venue for business and "serious" personal communications, some know better, and as this is a question of basic competence it is unlikely that a cryptographic fig leaf will change the behavior of more than 1% of users' behavior for the worse. :o/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXgQyCAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqEXYH/3v1aATqGHkY5zKWqaGRse7O 7YjSC7lmqtq4HKVQ1JmyaF0LBys99QsRx9GPJ8k9GD48h2bph4piQHOHL0B+Yytu O03G3UcUyHa3Zg0nBg8hCvKOlUm+d6c+9vKWoVVjpgNw3RmLmf21I1msSVxU89Vm OxWjfIDsEpzeRvabqKKxqKjC1nFJVJVVGeKu9SbkToE/Cs9XbQWqdCUSD+6I+hhK xtC9Mzxeisvhl8jM1YdpN0txNeT3GYBVojn9PqugL06WiH9t07w1+NRCd2lxspYz Ylk7QMmZYYyjUqg00GG7Tmod9t4xoa6J9qVEYMSPUhffILeO4kcZ1S+lOcORzUs= =soZ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 07/08/2016 06:24 PM, jim bell wrote:
*From:* Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net>
"They've also used the robot to blow up a couple of Geotag gamer caches around town ROTF!"
I do hope they remembered to leave something of equal or greater value than the stuff they blew up! Jim Bell
No, and city park workers were left to fill in the holes...
Isn't it weird so many shooters are military guys? The Dallas shooter [1] "was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran". In 2009 [2] "Hasan was a United States Army Medical Corps psychiatrist who admitted to the shootings" IIRC the person who recently shot gays in a bar was a security guard in respected c0rp0ration. Some kind of "disposable hero" syndrome? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers&oldid=729053396 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nidal_Hasan&oldid=726572811
On 07/09/2016 09:53 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
Isn't it weird so many shooters are military guys?
The Dallas shooter [1] "was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran".
In 2009 [2] "Hasan was a United States Army Medical Corps psychiatrist who admitted to the shootings"
IIRC the person who recently shot gays in a bar was a security guard in respected c0rp0ration.
Some kind of "disposable hero" syndrome?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers&oldid=729053396 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nidal_Hasan&oldid=726572811
You understated G4s' role. They ARE a mercenary recruiter with quick reaction teams stationed in South Sudan and elsewhere. They also provide armed security, executive protection teams, etc. The military's already trained you to kill without compunction and never deprogram you. Whatever rage resides in you from that, or other experiences, is easily steerable. When people are confused or angry they DO NOT make correctly informed decision. Easy prey for government spooks. Just in... Local action just as I was reading The Hill's article: "America's anger boils over" <http://thehill.com/homenews/news/287093-american-anger-boils-over> which is quite hot. In the eleven minutes after I posted the following, it had *336* new comments: "Right now, outside this cafe' there are 3 police cars & 6 cops from 3 different agencies because of a car without a back plate belonging to a local disabled vet. They know who the car belongs to. He has coffee here every day. He's an amputee who gets meds. They think he's a drug dealer because he's kind to the homeless and outcasts andbuys them coffee, gives them spare change... and the missing plate gave the police, the semi-deputized 'rangers' (muni codes only) and a private patrol company that's totally un-deputized, a chance to harass him. I told one of the 'rangers' (A city councilmember's son) to be careful... There's people out there who like to kill cops. Normally I wouldn't say anything of the sort in my normal dealings with them but f*ck them. If the act like pigs MAYBE we SHOULD make bacon." Rr
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:53:57 +0300 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
Isn't it weird so many shooters are military guys?
Not really? The military are trained, murdering psychos...
The Dallas shooter [1] "was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran".
...although in this case the guy did a lot of good.
In 2009 [2] "Hasan was a United States Army Medical Corps psychiatrist who admitted to the shootings"
He finished off a few americunt soldiers? More good.
IIRC the person who recently shot gays in a bar was a security guard in respected c0rp0ration.
Some kind of "disposable hero" syndrome?
Sort of I guess. Though they were no heroes from the establishment point of view...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers&oldid=729053396 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nidal_Hasan&oldid=726572811
On 07/09/2016 12:49 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:53:57 +0300 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
Isn't it weird so many shooters are military guys? Not really? The military are trained, murdering psychos...
The Dallas shooter [1] "was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran".
...although in this case the guy did a lot of good.
In 2009 [2] "Hasan was a United States Army Medical Corps psychiatrist who admitted to the shootings"
He finished off a few americunt soldiers? More good.
IIRC the person who recently shot gays in a bar was a security guard in respected c0rp0ration.
Some kind of "disposable hero" syndrome?
Sort of I guess. Though they were no heroes from the establishment point of view...
It IS worthwhile noting the FBI has access to VERY elaborate psychological profiles the US military keeps on it's soldiers (from day one). It would be a lot easier for the FBI setup operators to work a US soldier, than on some prole muslim at a US mosque. I'd like to see an FOIA on ANY CONTACT AT ANY TIME the FBI had with the reservist in Dallas, but I suspect that request would only garner standard meetings, NOT meetings with provocateurs and other operators b/c "State Secret". Rr
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