On 02/14/2014 10:48 AM, Moritz wrote:

I guess all in all, with these sites, it is more about classic police work: follow the stream of money.

A concrete, may-or-may not be story: I run a site, it funds itself with Bitcoin. I use hosting providers that allow Bitcoin. Wow, the infrastructure pays for itself. Happyface. You follow the stream of money, identify the hoster. Hoster willingly cooperates, or you spoof mails to me. I will eventually hit one of the embedded web bugs, images, or click a link that opens in a non-Tor browser, or open your next "PDF invoice". Oops. --mo

decentralized everything.... with rugged systems of laws around data protection solution yes to a degree but nothing is a guarantee... they swim around laws they no likey we need all kinds of solutions in every sector to shift out of this mass capital eating everything societal mindset On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Martin Becze wrote:

Decentralized hosting/computing would be nice and solve these issues.

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Moritz wrote:

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On 02/14/2014 10:48 AM, Moritz wrote:

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I guess all in all, with these sites, it is more about classic police work: follow the stream of money.

A concrete, may-or-may not be story:

I run a site, it funds itself with Bitcoin. I use hosting providers that allow Bitcoin. Wow, the infrastructure pays for itself. Happyface.

You follow the stream of money, identify the hoster. Hoster willingly cooperates, or you spoof mails to me. I will eventually hit one of the embedded web bugs, images, or click a link that opens in a non-Tor browser, or open your next "PDF invoice". Oops.

--mo

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At 08:39 AM 2/14/2014, Robert Hettinga wrote:

On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Martin Becze wrote:

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Decentralized hosting/computing would be nice and solve these issues. Need bearer cash for that. :-)

Not really - Bitcoin's sort of close enough to bearer cash for paying for hosting, but the scenario we've been looking at was - Hosting accepts bitcoins (or bearer cache or whatever.) - Narcs harass hosting provider in lieu of actual operator - Hosting provider rolls over, lets narcs bug the system and/or hosting provider's billing system - Bugged system hands the operator a bugged PDF along with the bill, or some similar trap Even a hosting provider who accepts digital bearer cash and gets paid in advance is going to do billing. I'm a bit skeptical about how you do distributed hosting adequately here, though perhaps Tahoe with enough users would work. Obfuscating the location of the hosting is easier, but somewhat-distributed hosting is going to just mean that there are a bunch of hosting providers, each of which accepts some kind of bearer payment and has some level of willingness to narc on users. Maybe 90% of the providers won't narc on their users, but that means you need to be safe against the other 10%.

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That's the kind of thinking I like! Something like this? [ alpha.onion ] \ [ beta.onion ] ----- [ [ tahoe1] [ tahoe2 ] .. [ tahoeN ] ] [ charlie.onion ] / Not sure if the entry points should also host Tahoe instances or if they should just be gateways. Super redundant, though! I guess the Tahoe <-> Tahoe connections would also have to be Torified as well though, otherwise if one got compromised then the rest would be exposed as well. R On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Cathal Garvey

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Yes, apparently it's in use over i2p using a bunch of plugins but I've never bothered setting it up to explore. They call it the "deepnet", I think.

On 14/02/14 20:54, Kelly John Rose wrote:

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Would tahoefs work to enable that? Has anyone tried?

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