On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:

On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:

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Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.

I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!

MAYBE the TERM "WWW".

Rr

There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense. Most of us have read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared information, like Ted Nelson. http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/ sdw

VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf

After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.

TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version. We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution. "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. You're ideology is strange and not very useful. We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't value and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way. sdw On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:

This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down of the history of the internet.

On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:

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Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.

I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!

MAYBE the TERM "WWW".

Rr

There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense. Most of us have read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared information, like Ted Nelson.

http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/

sdw

On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:

On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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"Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless.

I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking obvious troll.

You said:

This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I interpreted that as: CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has. Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning. Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.

Rr

sdw

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VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf

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After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.

TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version. We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution.

"Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless.

You're ideology is strange and not very useful.

We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't value and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.

sdw

On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:

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This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down of the history of the internet.

On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:

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Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.

I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!

MAYBE the TERM "WWW".

Rr

There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense. Most of us have read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared information, like Ted Nelson.

http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/

sdw

Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse? I don't think you know what that word means. sdw On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:

Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".

On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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"Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless.

I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking obvious troll.

You said:

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This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I interpreted that as:

CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has. Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.

Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.

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Rr

sdw

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VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf

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After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.

TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version. We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution.

"Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless.

You're ideology is strange and not very useful.

We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't value and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.

sdw

On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:

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This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down of the history of the internet.

On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: > > >> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. > > I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can > imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF! > > MAYBE the TERM "WWW". > > Rr

There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense. Most of us have read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared information, like Ted Nelson.

http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/

sdw

On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:

On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse? I don't think you know what that word means.

sdw

Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...

Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.

No, it doesn't: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse

adjective

1. not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.

sdw

Rr

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On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:

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Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".

On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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"Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless.

I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking obvious troll.

You said:

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This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I interpreted that as:

CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has. Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.

Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.

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Rr

sdw

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VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf > After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted > research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.

TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version. We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution.

"Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless.

You're ideology is strange and not very useful.

We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't value and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.

sdw

On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote: > > This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a > ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. > > It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A > stupid-ing down of the history of the internet. > > > On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: >>> >>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: >>> >>> >>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. >>> >>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can >>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF! >>> >>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW". >>> >>> Rr >> >> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the >> Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense. Most of us have >> read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web >> pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't know of anyone else who is >> said to have "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared >> information, like Ted Nelson. >> >> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/ >> >> sdw >> >

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On 11/11/16 12:16 PM, Razer wrote:

On 11/11/2016 12:08 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse? I don't think you know what that word means.

sdw

Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...

Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.

No, it doesn't: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse

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adjective

1. not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.

sdw

Obtuse in a KIND OF ANGLE, STUPID.

Thanks for emphatically clarifying that you didn't know the relevant meaning. I would offer to use small words next time, but it is already a small word. Btw, even as a math term, it is used "adjectively". sdw

No wonder you don't make any sense most of the time an our eys all glaze over when you post. Your idiocy in using it adjectively, despite the fact that almost NO ONE uses it that way, to fend of criticism of your blather, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE of your Obtuseness, adjectively.

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On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:

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Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".

On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote: > > > > On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > >> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >> > > I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty > fucking obvious troll.

You said: > This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a > ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I interpreted that as:

CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.

I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has. Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.

Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.

> > Rr

sdw

> > > >> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving >> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent >> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf >>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted >>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn. >> >> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working >> Internet. It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version. We all know what we mean by >> "Vint Cerf invented the Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant >> solution. >> >> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >> >> You're ideology is strange and not very useful. >> >> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't >> value and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. We could be paying packet charges to >> national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic >> principle way. >> >> sdw >> >> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote: >>> >>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c >>> a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. >>> >>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A >>> stupid-ing down of the history of the internet. >>> >>> >>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. >>>>> >>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can >>>>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF! >>>>> >>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW". >>>>> >>>>> Rr >>>> >>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the >>>> Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense. Most of us have >>>> read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web >>>> pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't know of anyone else who is >>>> said to have "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared >>>> information, like Ted Nelson. >>>> >>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/ >>>> >>>> sdw >>>> >>> >> >

sdw

Last word on the subject putz. Obtuse means you approached a topic at some odd angle that others might not immediately comprehend. Saying it means 'somehow slow' does the full meaning an injustice. Obtuseness can be a good thing. "Thinking outside the box" can be 'obtuse' thinking. Illiterate schmuck. Stick to web definitions and stay illiterate. Rr On 11/11/2016 12:24 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

On 11/11/16 12:16 PM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/11/2016 12:08 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse? I don't think you know what that word means.

sdw

Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...

Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.

No, it doesn't: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse

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adjective

1. not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.

sdw

Obtuse in a KIND OF ANGLE, STUPID.

Thanks for emphatically clarifying that you didn't know the relevant meaning. I would offer to use small words next time, but it is already a small word. Btw, even as a math term, it is used "adjectively".

sdw

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No wonder you don't make any sense most of the time an our eys all glaze over when you post. Your idiocy in using it adjectively, despite the fact that almost NO ONE uses it that way, to fend of criticism of your blather, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE of your Obtuseness, adjectively.

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On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:

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Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".

On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> >>> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't >>> contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so >>> clueless. >>> >> >> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he >> took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty >> fucking obvious troll. > > You said: >> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP >> ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc >> b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a >> Torvalds'. > > I interpreted that as: > > CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a > ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. > > I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations > and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that > he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you > were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who > took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) > has. Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is > ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning. > > Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being > obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling. > >> >> Rr > > sdw > >> >> >> >>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said >>> co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving >>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were >>> flawed and we no longer use any of them. Similarly, every >>> patent depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is >>> recognized as being a significant leap forward. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf >>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant >>>> professor >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor >>>> at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted >>>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and >>>> co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn. >>> >>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol >>> problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. >>> It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first >>> released version. We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf >>> invented the Internet." We know there was more to it, but >>> what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution. >>> >>> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't >>> contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so >>> clueless. >>> >>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful. >>> >>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the >>> Internet and related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't >>> value and appreciate those who did. It could have been much >>> worse in many ways. We could be paying packet charges to >>> national telecoms with only centralized "security", for >>> instance. We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic >>> principle way. >>> >>> sdw >>> >>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote: >>>> >>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP >>>> ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc >>>> b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did >>>> a Torvalds'. >>>> >>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal >>>> computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A >>>> stupid-ing down of the history of the internet. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and >>>>>> you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can >>>>>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF! >>>>>> >>>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW". >>>>>> >>>>>> Rr >>>>> >>>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific >>>>> individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of >>>>> the Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World >>>>> Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense. Most of >>>>> us have read all about it and a few of us were experiencing >>>>> it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to >>>>> Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly >>>>> summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't know of >>>>> anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide >>>>> Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of >>>>> linked shared information, like Ted Nelson. >>>>> >>>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/ >>>>> >>>>> sdw >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

sdw

The most bizarre 'benefit' of CypherPunk list to foreign people like me is learning new bad words and adjetives almost all the weeks... :P Already knowed 'obtuse' because its writting and sound remembers a lot 'obtuso' in Portuguese. The word is used the same way here. It's a pity to learn that 'Schmuck' is a bad word. It's a cute word, sounds pretty good and it would be a great name to some food or my future pet. Meh! :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative)

On Nov 11, 2016 5:41 PM, "Stephen D. Williams" wrote:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative)

As with other words, it can be used endearingly to mostly flip the meaning: Have a beer, you poor schmuck.

Thanks Stephen! :) When I was a child, I wanted to pet a Schmoo and when Razer wrote 'Schmuck', I thought it would be cute to have a Schmoo named Schmuck, hihi! ;) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo 'Schmuck Sandwich' sounded pretty yummy until I discover the word's meaning, haha!! ;D I always wanted to walking around with a fox since I read "The Little Prince" too. Now it's possible! :D http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/fyi-domesticated-foxes I just need to wait for unicorns, dragons and nyan cats now, hihi! ;)

On Nov 11, 2016 5:58 PM, "Stephen D. Williams" wrote:

Just yesterday I read a note from someone who said that they assumed

narwhals weren't real for 28 years, just realizing that they were mistaken. Narwhals are pretty beautiful. Never saw one, but I love to see whales. They are wonderful and are always visiting my country in the Summer. Now it's Spring, but they are already here. Travel time for me! :)