On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 19:03:42 -0800 Kurt Buff <kurt.buff@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:04 PM jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:

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https://reason.com/r/1wOM When Apple's CEO Tim Cook says "the free market is not working," bad things are coming.

Anyone with half a brain and a thought to look has long ago figured out that Tim Cook is a technocrat who wouldn't know a free market if it jumped up and down on his bunions.

the leader of the crapple mafia (CAPPL), sir cook, understands pretty well what a free market is BECAUSE his business bodel is wholly based on subverting the free market and preventing it from ever existing. That's just as true regarding bezos, thiel and all the rest of sillicon valley mafiosi and NSA agents. As to the bag of shit gillespie, author of that little propaganda piece, he is even more anti free market than cook. The only 'funny' thing about the article is seeing how treason magazine is more corporatist than its corporatist masters. There are for instance articles from scumbag gillespie whining because facebook doesn't censor 'enough' people. Funnily enough the people who don't have the slightest clue about the nature of a real free market is the vast majority of self described 'libertarians'. And the complete cluelessness of these 'libertarians' is perfectly illustrasted by the ayn randroid slogan "America's Persecuted Minority: Big Business"

Kurt

So Kurt, what do you think about America's Big Business and Reason Magazine? Same question for Jim Bell.

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:37:07 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:

If you are asking whether America has a "free market", I think the answer is obvious:  "No".   Does it NEED a "free market".  My answer is, "Yes".  Will it get a "free market", at least by listening to Tim Cook?   My answer, "No.".

Agreed.

As for the comment, "Apple's CEO Tim Cook says "the free market is not working,"", my answer is:  The "free market isn't being tried", or "the free market isn't being allowed".  

That is true as well.

And, to the extent that Tim Cook is implying that "the free market" is failing, yes, he is clearly a biased fool. 

No, he's not a biased fool. He is a self-serving liar. And not an ordinary liar either but a very high ranking criminal in the US government-corporate hiearchy. I would describe him as anything but a fool.

I think it is most commonly true that when some market in America is claimed to fail (and possibly the world) that is because it ISN'T a "free market".  Generally, as markets become more free, they become more successful.  

you would have to define 'successful' - As a libertarian I of course don't care about markets being 'succesful' anyway. The only thing that matters is people being free.

But, generally, I like Reason magazine.  I don't know about your criticism of this specific author, however.  Can you cite an article with which you disagree?

Did you read my message? My previous message was about pointing out that gillespie and reason magazine are anti-free-market corporatist shills. If crapple and the rest of the silicon mafia isn't the result of the free market then gillespie has to admit either 1) that the obscene profits of crapple and co. are ilegitimate 2) or go the randroid nutcase route and describe them as "poor oppressed minorities" and further conclude than in a 'real' free market crapple would be an even bigger toxic monopoly. Of course gillespie would never admit 1) so... Do you want me to analyze gillespie's fascist propaganda paragraph by paragraph? I though that's something you would do since you linked the article in the first place =)

                    Jim Bell