On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:40 AM, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:

Speaking strictly to SETI, and the Fermi paradox, I stumbled across a solution that I quite like, seems to make a lot of sense. I’ll just post the link - it’s rather long, but good

https://www.nobeliefs.com/Fermi.htm

Someone here once linked out to a story where human intelligience evolved to become the singularity / god of the universe itself. Something like that. Anyone have that link? As for getting off the rock, it's abundantly clear that: - We must immediately adopt a fully cooperative net renewable resources model, thus giving us the time to develop the tech needed to survive elsewhere beyond the influence of this Sun. - We must develop urgency of discarding governing on belief in favor of science research pursuant to known odds that future destruction events will happen, in particular cosmological, up to and including extinction of this Sun, ie: ruin not of our own creation due to beliefs, impure / incorrect science, etc. AP would be very useful in convincing stubborn people, occupying their thus by definition counterproductive and false leadership positions based on belief, of the necessity of these two things right now. The only other rational path is to immediately suicide yourself and go meet your god. So far it seems most humans, evidently all 7+ billion of them, are unable to accept those odds. So if they're going to hedge bets like that, they might as well hedge harder, permanently skipping all the belief bullshit, and truly reach for the stars. All life depends on fusion, mobility to mitigate catastrophy, and ability to manage net energy such that it doesn't go below zero on timescales less than the universe itself [1]. If you don't have those and aren't willing to do what it takes to get them, you're dead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun [1] This is why fission is only a short term solution, you'll expend your energy budget trying to fuel it from scarce resources once you're beyond influence of Suns (free continuous solar input to balance the budget, do mining, etc).