----- Forwarded message from Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> ----- Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:36:47 -0500 From: Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> To: pfSense support and discussion <list@lists.pfsense.org> Subject: Re: [pfSense] naive suggestion: conform to US laws Message-Id: <9BD42070-7086-41C6-8E52-C5DB49C500ED@netgate.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1812) Reply-To: pfSense support and discussion <list@lists.pfsense.org> On Oct 12, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Chris L <cjl@viptalk.net> wrote:

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On 2013-10-12 01:40, Jim Thompson wrote:

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I'm not willing to endure this uninformed Alex Jonesian crapfest.

Nice position to take, except Alex Jones was right.

Sigh. As much as this doesn’t belong on the pfsense list… I actually know Alex, or did, 13 year ago. I got friendly enough with him back in the mid-late 90s that we had each other’s cell phone numbers. Back then Jamie and I were involved with Fringeware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FringeWare_Review http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol16/issue26/screens.fringeware.html Fringeware became an advertiser on Alex Jones' radio show (on KLBJ, before he got booted). On the front-end, I was a respected advertiser. Meanwhile, others associated with Fringeware were culture-jamming him on the back-end. the result: #discordia Oh, the memories this brings back. (As you’ll see, the FBI showed up to demand something, didn’t have a warrant, and was shown the sidewalk.) http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/jarhead.html http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2000-07-14/77932/ Clayton, btw is a dear friend. Easily one of the most brilliant people I’ve ever known. I hope he speaks at my funeral. Other fun was had at Fringeware. We supported the Yes Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men) We actually hosted their website, as well as that of RTmark for a period in the late 90s on the same machine used for smallworks.com (which was originally the corporation behind the firewall named “Netgate”), fringeware.com, etc. One of their pranks was that they setup a website named www.gwbush.com. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men#George_W._Bush http://theyesmen.org/hijinks/gwbush http://www.rtmark.com/bush.html) which resulted in Bush’s famous "There ought to be limits to freedom,” quote. http://www.rtmark.com/bushpr2.html The great untold story on this is that all these websites were hosted in a shitty office building on Shoal Creek Blvd, one floor up from the then offices of "Karl Rove & Associates” even as they fought to shutdown gwbush.com. The #irony was delicious, and they never succeeded. :-) Anyway, you might want to study up on STRATFOR, or Mary Maroney, who was the editor and chief of Infowars magazine until earlier this year. Maroney formerly worked for Stratfor and Parker Media here in Austin. If you don’t know who they are, then I suggest more research on your part. Have fun, but be careful when you enter the rabbit hole. Snowden and Manning are both late-comers to the party: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPag... http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519661/nsas-own-hardware-backdoors-may-... http://cryptome.org/nsa-ssl-email.htm http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20017671-281.html http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2013/09/15-shumow.pdf (see also: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/?p=85661) http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/01/secret-backdoors-found-in-firewall-v... http://dl.packetstormsecurity.net/papers/general/my_research1.pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.154.825 / http://www.cs.ucf.edu/~czou/research/Chipset%20Backdoor-AsiaCCS09.pdf (now consider all the cheerleading for Intel Ethernet chips on the various pfSense lists…) Jim _______________________________________________ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org http://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5