On 6/22/16, konstant@mail2tor.com <konstant@mail2tor.com> wrote:

I want to be clear about a couple of things. I am not looking to defy the wishes of Tor developers and relay contributors. I hope to get their views on the matter. Should they explicitly refuse, I will look at I2P.

When I ran, donated, managed relays... only wanted all of what I paid for to be consumed. "Wished" it would be in alignment with certain ideals, but realized that's not reality. For more and different opinions from relays, you might want to post to tor-relays@ referencing the archive url to this thread.

Second, my idea does not touch Exit bandwidth at all. We will only deploy hidden services.

Yeah, it's freenet over tor. Makes for an interesting definition of hidden service. Don't forget to add around 1000+ ms latency.

Wasting resources is abusive. However, comparing bittorrent traffic to Freenet doesn't do it justice. Freenet is used by dissidents for freedom of speech and publishing small static files like blogs, not to share gigs of media files.

Anonymous uncensorable overlay networks, are "used" by whoever, for whatever, limited only by the techinical and practical capabilities of each network. There are many "gigs of media files" being shared over freenet and other nets by many happy and even wasteful users. This fact understandably burns the britches of those who intend their network to be used only for some other purposes. It happens. There seems to be ongoing and growing interest around the world in overlay nets and parallel wire[less] 'guerilla' nets, and lots of room for improved and new code and models. No worries here.

[arma] the main rule is that if you're going to add traffic to tor, run some relays to match [arma] for hidden services, that's 1MB/s of traffic onto 6 places, so 6MB/s

This has always been my position. Each user of these "free" community powered networks has an impact. For some nets this has readily calculable minimums, like tor and its 6x minimum for exclusively non-exit (HS) use. Other nets or usage models may be roughly estimated. Therefore each user of such networks should know / learn the impact for their respective network. And should realize that they are in a way obligated to return the resources they consume, as otherwise their network will not have headroom and their own experience will go downhill fast.

Freenet has 10KiB/s minimum bandwidth requirement.

Note that the correct form for engineering, and apps interfacing at the level of, network traffic rates... is bits (b), not bytes (B), and decimal prefixes, not binary prefixes.