-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/2016 01:38 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

On Sep 7, 2016 9:51 AM, "Cypher Piggie" mailto:oinker9003@mail2tor.com> wrote:

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For starters, there's the question of his citizenship.

Juan is a citizen of the Unites States of America.

Guy, I don't know what is your problem with Juan, but he is _not_ a citizen of the USA. For him, this allegation is very offensive. Please, don't tell lies about my friend.

On Sep 7, 2016 9:51 AM, "Cypher Piggie" mailto:oinker9003@mail2tor.com> wrote:

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Because Juan is obviously *very**important* [from his perspective],

and that which is important really needs to be talked about.

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So let's talk about Juan... ;-)

The other day upon the stair I saw a man who wasn't there. Three more of them weren't there today I think they're from the CIA.

No, he is very hard-headed, but doesn't have crazy 'ego trips'. He is very incisive and, sometimes, too sarcastic, but he is not a troll or thinks he is the most important subject of the world.

Juan hurt my feelings by only just barely, almost grudgingly, calling me a Statist Pig the other day. I had to practically drag it out of him. I have been damned with faint praise before, but never praised with faint damnation. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJX0HlGAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqI0kIAMb/9fFaMz1z1tC6FaGSg0Qx K3O8bjpLEKD23lzyrRJniu9k23tdIFszNgjKc7Q2e388GfASqhkUVov4Trs4P+d7 gDKx418xHQIBnwYZR9ou7rh3Yufcfq8XxY7+2g6zuzaqroiCJUvlUGBjx8dWr8XZ SffzCmdNK79HXO4U1VW0G2+s1VPlMHz2zXhVUIgXktQ20I4+jzcGvRcwQ6ZDZDJA tZgFRGkwi7Ax2/RLcna8tNdizkLwiQFNYIragWXv8+Kvl5xIg7T3pDPIlbKzO/oX hHoFkBQRI3qaUUbf2zns+vB0Amfo5V16HvgzLUidiNCpIAtowhqUHe67dARISMk= =xx52 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Juan hurt my feelings

Juan tries to hurt everyone. Every fucking reply to anyone he diggin into them. Beyond that will full intent... lets See this now... Lil Juanie is a lil rager boy. rage rage rage rage rage aint not point to it just rage reage reage goes lil juanie.

a Statist Pig

Ever wonder why he knows statism better than any knowledge he ever try to make talk about anarchia here... cuz he love his USA, like every usa person... its all he know.

@Juan, Please, don't feed the trolls. I am a troll too, but some trolls deserve starving until the death. Less drama, less noise, less politics. More Code, more Anarchism, more Justice. @Piggie, If you want to play the game, follow the rules. Please, don't tell lies. It's pretty coward to send a lot of anonymous 'ad hominem' attacks instead arguing. Stop being so childish, please. Juan is _not_ an USA citizen and doesn't work to any three letters North-American institution. He is really a good person. I didn't understand why Zenaan also mentioned Rayzer, but I really love and respect Rayzer a lot. Please, don't tell lies about him too. Remember: - I am not a IT Security expert, but some of my friends are. Take care or you will become fried bacon. -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

No pearls for you.

juan dodges pearl necklace. juan is usa citizen.

If i may ask. Why are you so angry?

juan is epitome of angry playbook, ask him about himself, nigga.

inclined to respond to each and every message with the same content

juan responds to much much messages with angry troll operation juan is a US citizen and he dont deny it.

Uffff, luckily sometimes there's still a gem hidden in all these useless

so juan is a turd

circle-jerkers spamming the list with their personal flamewars or

fuck juan he's a flamer

@Juan,

Please, don't feed the trolls.

juan dont feed them, he IS a troll. troll number one.

I am a troll too

tee hee haha haha loll lollo lol, go get buen cogido. take that perra puellaV with you too.

but some trolls deserve starving until the death.

juan deserve le garrot, muy despacio, en la plaza publico.

Less drama, less noise, less politics. more Anarchism

failure

more Justice.

vengeance

If you want to play the game, follow the rules.

what rules. fuck that and fuck this. and fuck juan. with putins prick.

Please, don't tell lies.

juans a liar.

It's pretty coward to send a lot of anonymous 'ad hominem' attacks instead arguing.

that sound just like juan.

Juan is _not_ an USA citizen and doesn't work to any three letters North-American institution.

u really should see his dox... the real ones...

He is really a good person.

hes a bitch troll and trashes and abuses people on lists and forums.

I didn't understand why Zenaan also mentioned Rayzer, but I really love

zen's a follower troll. pretty soon he'll be touting people he hate just because he see they got ballz.

Take care or you will become fried bacon.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm fryin bacon on my cpus, nigga. nom fucking nom.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 01:34:54 -0000 "Cypher Piggie" wrote:

Ever wonder why he knows statism better than any knowledge he ever try to make talk about anarchia here.

I'd bet a couple of cents that's the same asshole with the protonmail account... I'd also bet a bet a cent his brain is a shitty as his english, but, he may just be pretending to be illiterate... That said, I'm not going to waste any time with the dumb cunt, and I suggest that Cecilia ignore 'it' as well. I really don't need people to defend me, and I certainly don't need to be defedend from an anonymous, retarded, piece-of-shit like oinker9003 @ protonmail =)

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 14:38:46 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

On Sep 7, 2016 9:51 AM, "Cypher Piggie" wrote:

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For starters, there's the question of his citizenship.

Juan is a citizen of the Unites States of America.

Guy, I don't know what is your problem with Juan, but he is _not_ a citizen of the USA. For him, this allegation is very offensive. Please, don't tell lies about my friend.

Haha, Thanks for the loyal defense Cecilia =P If Ms. Piggie wants to believe that I'm a subject of the US government, all the better.

On Sep 7, 2016 9:51 AM, "Cypher Piggie" wrote:

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Because Juan is obviously *very**important* [from his perspective], and

that which is important really needs to be talked about.

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So let's talk about Juan... ;-)

No, he is very hard-headed, but doesn't have crazy 'ego trips'. He is very incisive and, sometimes, too sarcastic, but he is not a troll or thinks he is the most important subject of the world.

Do you want to talk about Juan? OK, let's talk about him. I love Juan. He is a great friend, very loyal and fun. My hobbie is annoy and provoke him and we have horrible, very brutal discussions about politicians, anarchism and several themes in this list and in private, but I learned to respect him and I love him a lot.

Please, stop your little coward game. Don't disturb the list with bullsh¡t, please.

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 01:39:25AM -0000, Cypher Piggie wrote:

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Haha, Thanks for the loyal defense Cecilia =P

Troll playin helpless for amplify backsuport to come to him. TROLLLLL.

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I'm a subject of the US government the better.

I said you're a US Citizen you cumdodger.

Keep it comin, boy! Your bitch slap is our entertainment. Boy.

dumb tor cunt doesn't understand nuance

talk about yourself, troll.

sure, I'm a subject of the US government.

why you running from the bukakke juan...???? you are a citizen of the usa.

so I'm US subject who calls US subjects americunts

another your troll operations.

he's a corrupt fuck on the pentagon's payroll

hero, did more good talkin in public not even mentioning tor, than your feeble ass on any topic.

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razer's the shit and seen more action

da shizznit

US gov't employee - that's what the rayzer believes eh?

dodging

yet another corrup tor fanboy

see how juan put tor in everything, another operation to dodge and twist away.

enyoy your trolling and spamming

look at yourself bitch nigger.

On Sep 7, 2016 7:30 PM, "Juan" wrote:

< OK, let's talk about him. I love Juan. He is a great friend, very

loyal and fun. I learned to respect him and I love him a lot.>

Thank you sea sea.

I don't know who created this protonmail account using Juan's name, but thank you, I loved being called "sea sea". It was pretty beautiful and unexpected. I love the sea more than my life and never thought about this combination of sounds. "Sea Sea" sounds much better than "Cecilia". I almost can feel the smell of the sea and see your intense deep blue... Thank you with all my heart for this really beautiful gift! <3

-------- Original Message -------- On Sep 7, 2016, 6:45 PM, Cypher Piggie wrote: > I don't know who created this protonmail account using Juan's name some other douchebag like juan Oink oink oink oink - you fag! hi hi sea sea

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 01:52:40AM -0000, Cypher Piggie wrote:

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I just don't understand why so many are AFRAID of FBI CIA NSA.

youd laugh if you know who juan work for.

Dude, you gave your game away when you made it personal :D :D Boy!

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 01:27:38AM -0000, Cypher Piggie wrote:

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Guy, I don't know what is your problem with Juan

Oh we'll be getting to the the problem with Juan.

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but he is _not_ a citizen of the USA.

Yes he is. You don't see him refuting it do you? That's right, no you don't. In fact, he cumdodged it and tried to twist it back. Just like he tries to do when anyone puts anything to him. Well now we're goin to slap "him" like the ho "he" is.

"Containment" failed, so personal targetting is now de jure. All in the nature of TPTB, from CIA to SWD . .

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For him, this allegation is very offensive.

No it isn't, it's real, but his fake self will feign offense.

Matters not. Your bullying will stand out above all else. The CIA refuse to acknowledge your bullying - instead feigning "oh please, please highlight the wrong things some folks did, and hell, we might in punish them in a court of law". Arrogant pricks all of you. Just because you have and wield enormous power, including the power to destroy lives (Jacob Applebaum), murder humans at the drop of a management meeting and generally wreak havoc, chaos and atrocities the world over, does not make it right .

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Please, don't tell lies about my friend.

Juan talk shit out his ass about people and smack to them on this list all day long. Now we gonna talk real about him.

Awwww, butthurt CIA got their public profiles named.. how sad diddly ad dad saaaaaad. Now y'all gonna be bullies and beat up on principled folk with flowery language who hold their ground no matter what. 'Cause y'all evil bullies - you know, we know, hell, the whole dang world knows it. But THAT's all you got. You got no heart! You got no principles other than power and dominance, control and murder. And you are so weak, you attack principled men. You see someone with heart like Razer, but with some weak points, and you bully and try to be the Big Man, cowardly attacking those you know you've pinged their weak points. And you think we don't see it all? You think we don't see the true cowards you are? Never truly standing for any principle -we- hold as valuable, righteous, worthy of upholding ?!!! You think we don't see you?

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No, he is very hard-headed, but doesn't have crazy 'ego trips'.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAH, lol. Look at him talk all dam day, number one clue... EGO TRIPPIN.

Sure, you pick one or two weak points, highbrow Rayzer, accuse Juan of his big ego, pick out and attack my emotional weak points, but you ain't got nothing but bully tactics me boy!

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He is very incisive and, sometimes, too sarcastic, but he is not a troll

ROFL

Because, you know, bullying folks who --actually stand for principles and things more worthy than power and control-- is not trolling?

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or thinks he is the most important subject of the world.

ROFL

Well as some of us round these parts know, one man -can- indeed, change the world :) We have seen many examples, from Gandhi to Rosa Parks. Unfortunately, many of them have been shot.

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My hobbie is annoy and provoke him

Yes, please do. Lil fucko Juan needs taste of own medicines.

Oooh! Such sophisticated words. That is of course why you use your real name - so you can let loose. Tapped him in your XKeyscore db by the sounds of it, got permission in your last management meeting at your hovelling little anger imperialist power bully set meeting evidently... and whooo-yaaaah, you gonna let loose on Juan! You gonna take! him! down! So much butt hurt..

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about politicians, anarchism

He don't know nothin bout this shit. Just blows out FUCKALL about ERRYTHING ALL THE TIME. Constant straem of same 11th grade shit erry day.

That's a measured, comprehensive, comprehendable statement.

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respect

He needs bitchslapped.

Some one got butt hurt. Someone got butthurt. We all so scary scared. So scary. Scary bully gonna butt hurt the whoooole list!!! Set another Appelbaum example. Oh yeah folks! We gonna see it! We gonna see how auntie imperial bitch slaps her ankle biters!!!

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Don't disturb the list with bullsh¡t, please.

Juan been disturbin the list ever since the day one he sign up. Lil troll.

"We had it all nicely ordered and such. Then lil punk come an fucked it all up. Kept talkin about practical anarchy, calling the statists and us CIA piggies to account yo! Then fookin jim bell got outta jail and fuck 'im, started again with his counter-empire shit! And that little bitch Juan just eggs everyone on with practical anarchism yo! Did I mention yo?! Cause FUCKING YO! YO GONNA ALL GET BITCH!! SLAPPED!!! And when I say bitch slapped, what I really mean is SET A GOD DAMN FUCKEN EXAMPLE OF AND FUCKIN BITCH SLAPPED!" Little punk Juan gonna get his bitch slap slapped yo!" "And, PS, if y'all don't calm the FUCK DOWN, and stop with this GOVERNMENT OVERTHROW SHIT, we might bring out the "suicide" squad! So, y'all just QUITEN the FUCK down!" "Cause THIS is WHO WE ARE! WE are the EXCEPTIONAL nation!!!" "So FUCK you all and your anti-elitist SHIT. We don't gotta change for NOBODY!!!!!" "YO!" We gotcha fellas. Loud. And. Clear. Y' gonna bitch slap us all now.

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 02:59:13AM -0000, Cypher Piggie wrote:

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power, including the power to destroy lives (Jacob Applebaum), murder

you're an apologist for juan.

CIA COINTEL SOP is construct and build communication tools to use to target by discrediting, whilst avoiding and indeed railroading debate on salient points. In the past we've seen the demonisation of targets as e.g.: - conspiracy theorists - wacky "alternative media" nuts - communists New tools shall be developed over time, and this one is relatively recent: - "you're an apologist for X" - rape apologist - "target" apologist - "evil" apologist This only works when there is a strong possibility of emotional response in your target, and the target responds in this way. Your example usage of "you're a rape apoligist" is just the latest in the many decades of such operations. For those who may be don't quite see it: - when under pressure, deflect the heat by making an accusation ("you're...") - an ideal COINTEL COUNTEROP accusation is one which has a good chance of an emotional response - the accusation must absolutely avoid the actual issue causing the heat - in your words, talk with simple brevity as though you're speaking a fact - ideally, your accusation is actually factual, or has a good basis in fact, and so is much more effective at deflecting the heat/ substance of what you're trying to avoid Counter tactics: - as always, -name- the technique used - ignore the attack otherwise - especially if you experience an emotional response - if you have time, energy, and can step back from any emotional response you might feel, then unpack the tactic in as simple terms as you can, to assist others in witnessing the troll - at all costs, do not leap into self defence (well done Juan :) - immediately get back to the hot point which on which the technique is being used to try to avoid

(With apologies to Salt-N-Pepa)

lame.