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Zenaan Harkness

8 Sep 2016 8 Sep '16

1:01 a.m.

Being a fan of accurate naming of those things within our present shared common delusion, perhaps we ought consider a new term besides "MSM"? ** 'Mainstream' Is a Misnomer, What You're Reading Is Regime Media http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what-youre-reading-regime-m... ------------------------------------------------------------ by Marko Marjanović on Wed, Sep 7, 2016 Here's a mental exercise for you. First think of any issue of grave importance for the Washington establishment. Then ask yourself if US mainstream media was state-run would its coverage of it be any different from what it is now?Think about it, on the domestic front the big hitters continue to say that the economy is doing fine and the post-2008 recovery was great even as real people flock to protest candidates Trump and Sanders in record numbers.On the foreign policy side the media is more or less sweeping the Saudi war in Yemen under the rug by offering only very occassional and subdued critique -- which happens to mimick the reservations White House holds about this greatest humanitarian disaster of the present in private. http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what-youre-reading-regime-m...

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Александр

8 Sep 8 Sep

4:16 a.m.

Agreed! *REGIME MEDIA* - much more ACCURATE name to this shit propaganda machine. 2016-09-08 4:01 GMT+03:00 Zenaan Harkness :

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Being a fan of accurate naming of those things within our present shared common delusion, perhaps we ought consider a new term besides "MSM"?

** 'Mainstream' Is a Misnomer, What You're Reading Is Regime Media http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what- youre-reading-regime-media/ri16304

Cypher Piggie

12:45 p.m.

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much more ACCURATE name to this shit propaganda machine.

more accurate juan is usa citizen and his shitmachine is to troll and abuse ppl and call them names like his own usa NAZI self

Jason McVetta

5:50 a.m.

I find "capitalist propaganda organs" a pretty good alternative term. Most people seem to understand it without explanation. When speaking to some audiences it can be useful to clarify by substituting "financialist" for "capitalist". On Sep 8, 2016 8:01 AM, "Zenaan Harkness" wrote:

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Being a fan of accurate naming of those things within our present shared common delusion, perhaps we ought consider a new term besides "MSM"?

** 'Mainstream' Is a Misnomer, What You're Reading Is Regime Media http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what- youre-reading-regime-media/ri16304 ------------------------------------------------------------ by Marko Marjanović on Wed, Sep 7, 2016 Here's a mental exercise for you. First think of any issue of grave importance for the Washington establishment. Then ask yourself if US mainstream media was state-run would its coverage of it be any different from what it is now?Think about it, on the domestic front the big hitters continue to say that the economy is doing fine and the post-2008 recovery was great even as real people flock to protest candidates Trump and Sanders in record numbers.On the foreign policy side the media is more or less sweeping the Saudi war in Yemen under the rug by offering only very occassional and subdued critique -- which happens to mimick the reservations White House holds about this greatest humanitarian disaster of the present in private. http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what- youre-reading-regime-media/ri16304

Zenaan Harkness

6:26 a.m.

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 12:50:55PM +0700, Jason McVetta wrote:

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I find "capitalist propaganda organs" a pretty good alternative term. Most people seem to understand it without explanation. When speaking to some audiences it can be useful to clarify by substituting "financialist" for "capitalist".

Nice - CFOs :) Not so searchable though - due to the ambiguity with chief financial occifer :/

John Newman

7:39 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How about we just call it "bullshit" ? Obviously MSM is total fucking garbage.... While we're at it, whats up with the constant russia-insider.com links? This shit is pure propaganda, every bit as bad as any MSM.... http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150620-ri_footprint.html http://www.stopfake.org/en/is-russia-insider-sponsored-by-a-russian-oligarch... http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/bausman-and-fraud-at-russia-insider.html http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/11/reading-between-lines-great-war-of.html https://nobsrussia.com/tag/russia-insider/ "Long time readers and Russia watchers know that one of the most odious pro-Kremlin sites in existence is Russia Insider. Rather than create original content, most of their articles consist of material reprinted from other sources, typically Kremlin media outlets but also including sites featuring ideological racism and Holocaust denial. What better sources for a site that still uses the “Kiev Nazi junta” trope?" John On 2016-09-07 21:01, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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Being a fan of accurate naming of those things within our present shared common delusion, perhaps we ought consider a new term besides "MSM"?

** 'Mainstream' Is a Misnomer, What You're Reading Is Regime Media http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what-youre-reading-regime-m... ------------------------------------------------------------ by Marko Marjanović on Wed, Sep 7, 2016 Here's a mental exercise for you. First think of any issue of grave importance for the Washington establishment. Then ask yourself if US mainstream media was state-run would its coverage of it be any different from what it is now?Think about it, on the domestic front the big hitters continue to say that the economy is doing fine and the post-2008 recovery was great even as real people flock to protest candidates Trump and Sanders in record numbers.On the foreign policy side the media is more or less sweeping the Saudi war in Yemen under the rug by offering only very occassional and subdued critique -- which happens to mimick the reservations White House holds about this greatest humanitarian disaster of the present in private. http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what-youre-reading-regime-m...

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Sean Lynch

8 p.m.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM, John Newman wrote:

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How about we just call it "bullshit" ? Obviously MSM is total fucking garbage....

While we're at it, whats up with the constant russia-insider.com links? This shit is pure propaganda, every bit as bad as any MSM....

http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150620-ri_footprint.html

http://www.stopfake.org/en/is-russia-insider-sponsored-by-a- russian-oligarch-with-the-ties-to-the-european-far-right/

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/bausman-and-fraud-at-russia-insider.html

http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/11/reading-between-lines-great-war-of.html

https://nobsrussia.com/tag/russia-insider/

"Long time readers and Russia watchers know that one of the most odious pro-Kremlin sites in existence is Russia Insider. Rather than create original content, most of their articles consist of material reprinted from other sources, typically Kremlin media outlets but also including sites featuring ideological racism and Holocaust denial. What better sources for a site that still uses the “Kiev Nazi junta” trope?"

Interesting that RI is associated with holocaust deniers, as I just realized yesterday that Zen is himself a holocaust denier when he posted a bunch of holocaust denial links.

Cecilia Tanaka

8:26 p.m.

On Sep 8, 2016 5:01 PM, "Sean Lynch" wrote:

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Interesting that RI is associated with holocaust deniers, as I just

realized yesterday that Zen is himself a holocaust denier when he posted a bunch of holocaust denial links. Deny the Holocaust, the genocide, the awful massacre of innocent people, is very coherent with a guy able of seeing "artistic beauty" in the destruction of Hiroshima using a nuclear bomb, another horrible and disgusting massacre... He apologized for his declaration, but I never will forget how it hurted me, my family's memories... Putin and Trump certainly approve this kind of conduct. Trump is a racist, homophobic, prejudiced, psycho nazi, supported for his dear friend Putin.

Zenaan Harkness

10:53 p.m.

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 01:00:15PM -0700, Sean Lynch wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM, John Newman wrote:

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How about we just call it "bullshit" ? Obviously MSM is total fucking garbage....

While we're at it, whats up with the constant russia-insider.com links? This shit is pure propaganda, every bit as bad as any MSM....

Do you recall this question being asked twice before? And do you recall my answer both times? (reminder hint - it's also in the subject of some of the threads; also notice threading, and the ability to filter both subject lines and threads)

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http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150620-ri_footprint.html

http://www.stopfake.org/en/is-russia-insider-sponsored-by-a- russian-oligarch-with-the-ties-to-the-european-far-right/

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/bausman-and-fraud-at-russia-insider.html

http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/11/reading-between-lines-great-war-of.html

https://nobsrussia.com/tag/russia-insider/

"Long time readers and Russia watchers know that one of the most odious pro-Kremlin sites in existence is Russia Insider. Rather than create original content, most of their articles consist of material reprinted from other sources, typically Kremlin media outlets but also including sites featuring ideological racism and Holocaust denial. What better sources for a site that still uses the “Kiev Nazi junta” trope?"

Interesting that RI is associated with holocaust deniers, as I just realized yesterday that Zen is himself a holocaust denier when he posted a bunch of holocaust denial links.

Is holding that there is poor evidence for 6 million, and reasonable evidence for ~2.X million, and that the USA concentration camps were no better in some cases worse, the gulag another equally "fun" place to be, and the propaganda around "the Jewish Holocaust" which began well before WW2, and that "it's humans dude, we gotta fix us, all of us", is somehow a "bad" thing? And is all that, and plenty more, and nuance and subtlety, all bundled into "holocaust denier" a suitable way to engage in constructive conversation? "Conspiracy theorists" ... that's "original" :/

John Newman

9 Sep 9 Sep

12:31 a.m.

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On Sep 8, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 01:00:15PM -0700, Sean Lynch wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM, John Newman wrote:

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How about we just call it "bullshit" ? Obviously MSM is total fucking garbage....

While we're at it, whats up with the constant russia-insider.com links? This shit is pure propaganda, every bit as bad as any MSM....

Do you recall this question being asked twice before?

And do you recall my answer both times?

(reminder hint - it's also in the subject of some of the threads; also notice threading, and the ability to filter both subject lines and threads)

I don’t see “[RUS]” in the subject of this thread. And even if it was, it doesn’t mean someone can’t ask what the fuck you are thinking. Much of what you say makes sense, but the whole well is poisoned by this constant Russian apologetic bullshit. Why do you lick Putin's balls? Who REALLY thinks that Putin and Russia have better intentions than the USA or any other nation in the world? Reminds me of those poor “communist” dupes who spied for the USSR throughout its history, but they didn’t want money, they did it all for Papa Joe, and a “true workers state!” Except, we are talking Papa Vlad, and a “true mafia state.” I’m done pointing out your apologies for and obsession with Russia and its dictator. (who was never convicted of a bribe, and might not have had anything to do with Litvinenko, and makes good speeches!... =). John

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http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150620-ri_footprint.html

http://www.stopfake.org/en/is-russia-insider-sponsored-by-a- russian-oligarch-with-the-ties-to-the-european-far-right/

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/bausman-and-fraud-at-russia-insider.html

http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/11/reading-between-lines-great-war-of.html

https://nobsrussia.com/tag/russia-insider/

"Long time readers and Russia watchers know that one of the most odious pro-Kremlin sites in existence is Russia Insider. Rather than create original content, most of their articles consist of material reprinted from other sources, typically Kremlin media outlets but also including sites featuring ideological racism and Holocaust denial. What better sources for a site that still uses the “Kiev Nazi junta” trope?"

Interesting that RI is associated with holocaust deniers, as I just realized yesterday that Zen is himself a holocaust denier when he posted a bunch of holocaust denial links.

Is holding that there is poor evidence for 6 million, and reasonable evidence for ~2.X million, and that the USA concentration camps were no better in some cases worse, the gulag another equally "fun" place to be, and the propaganda around "the Jewish Holocaust" which began well before WW2, and that "it's humans dude, we gotta fix us, all of us", is somehow a "bad" thing?

And is all that, and plenty more, and nuance and subtlety, all bundled into "holocaust denier" a suitable way to engage in constructive conversation?

"Conspiracy theorists" ... that's "original" :/

John Newman

12:59 a.m.

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Is holding that there is poor evidence for 6 million, and reasonable evidence for ~2.X million, and that the USA concentration camps were no better in some cases worse, the gulag another equally "fun" place to be,

I didn’t even notice this bit earlier. You are wrong. Things were UGLY everywhere during ww2, but there is AMPLE evidence for a number close to 6 million. My god, why would you even wade into this fucking toxic subject? (why am i??) If you could pick Auschwitz or one of the internment camps in the US, where would you go? Yes, fuck the US for its shameless behavior during ww2… but double-fuck Germany. Talking about this makes my stomach turn. John

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and the propaganda around "the Jewish Holocaust" which began well before WW2, and that "it's humans dude, we gotta fix us, all of us", is somehow a "bad" thing?

And is all that, and plenty more, and nuance and subtlety, all bundled into "holocaust denier" a suitable way to engage in constructive conversation?

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"Conspiracy theorists" ... that's "original" :/

Mirimir

1:51 a.m.

On 09/08/2016 06:59 PM, John Newman wrote:

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Is holding that there is poor evidence for 6 million, and reasonable evidence for ~2.X million, and that the USA concentration camps were no better in some cases worse, the gulag another equally "fun" place to be,

I didn’t even notice this bit earlier.

You are wrong. Things were UGLY everywhere during ww2, but there is AMPLE evidence for a number close to 6 million. My god, why would you even wade into this fucking toxic subject? (why am i??)

If you could pick Auschwitz or one of the internment camps in the US, where would you go? Yes, fuck the US for its shameless behavior during ww2… but double-fuck Germany.

Talking about this makes my stomach turn.

John

Well, I do defend the right to discuss it. Not here, because it's off-topic. Unless we want to talk about IBM's role, supplying technology for tracking Jews and other "undesirables". And how suitable crypto could have permitted the collection of aggregate data (say, for estimating how many synagogues were needed in refugee camps) without putting individuals at risk.

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and the propaganda around "the Jewish Holocaust" which began well before WW2, and that "it's humans dude, we gotta fix us, all of us", is somehow a "bad" thing?

And is all that, and plenty more, and nuance and subtlety, all bundled into "holocaust denier" a suitable way to engage in constructive conversation?

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"Conspiracy theorists" ... that's "original" :/

Razer

2:11 a.m.

On 09/08/2016 03:53 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 01:00:15PM -0700, Sean Lynch wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM, John Newman wrote:

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How about we just call it "bullshit" ? Obviously MSM is total fucking garbage....

While we're at it, whats up with the constant russia-insider.com links? This shit is pure propaganda, every bit as bad as any MSM....

Do you recall this question being asked twice before?

And do you recall my answer both times?

(reminder hint - it's also in the subject of some of the threads; also notice threading, and the ability to filter both subject lines and threads)

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http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150620-ri_footprint.html

http://www.stopfake.org/en/is-russia-insider-sponsored-by-a- russian-oligarch-with-the-ties-to-the-european-far-right/

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/bausman-and-fraud-at-russia-insider.html

http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/11/reading-between-lines-great-war-of.html

https://nobsrussia.com/tag/russia-insider/

"Long time readers and Russia watchers know that one of the most odious pro-Kremlin sites in existence is Russia Insider. Rather than create original content, most of their articles consist of material reprinted from other sources, typically Kremlin media outlets but also including sites featuring ideological racism and Holocaust denial. What better sources for a site that still uses the “Kiev Nazi junta” trope?"

Interesting that RI is associated with holocaust deniers, as I just realized yesterday that Zen is himself a holocaust denier when he posted a bunch of holocaust denial links.

Is holding that there is poor evidence for 6 million, and reasonable evidence for ~2.X million, and that the USA concentration camps were no better in some cases worse, the gulag another equally "fun" place to be, and the propaganda around "the Jewish Holocaust" which began well before WW2, and that "it's humans dude, we gotta fix us, all of us", is somehow a "bad" thing?

And is all that, and plenty more, and nuance and subtlety, all bundled into "holocaust denier" a suitable way to engage in constructive conversation?

"Conspiracy theorists" ... that's "original" :/

Regarding the number of Jews killed. Every official authority including Russian sources estimate the number of dead between 4-8 million. There's a lot of variance because of HOW it's decided whether the deaths were related to Nazi government action or not. It will NEVER be totally settled, so most just uses the 6 million number. As a more recent example there's dispute over the number of Iraqis killed by the US for similar reasons. International law holds that the invader is responsible for securing the invaded space and is responsible for all deaths including civilian on civilian murder etc. The US, ofc, doesn't buy that, or that they're responsible for the mass fratricide they cause arming ethnic groups against each other for it's own purposes. So the numbers will vary. As a Jew, what I don't want to see are Jews denying there were/are holocausts happening just as tragic every moment we're alive and for some reason the Nazi holocaust was somehow worse than, lets say, what the US did, is doing, to the indigenous people. Many Jews think like that. Ours is the only Holocaust. As my Bessarabian grandpa, chased across the region by the Bishkek pogroms of the late 1800s(?) would have said "Ishkabibble". Yiddish slang for nonsense, and the people pushing that POV on Jews HAVE an agenda, and funding for it from Zionists who hope the international community will let them have their way with Palestinians 'b/c holocaust'. Rr

Cypher Piggie

2:20 a.m.

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were related to Nazi government action or not.

juan is related to this same thing he claims to despise. really well before last april due JUAN the TROLL paid his taxes to his US Government. really when his w2 from his cover job in walmart came in the mail, he was aglow with the happiness of a thousand litle girls, as his heart he set on doing them (both the taxes and the girls) that night and sending his money to Uncle SAM the very next day. he did this perfectly as planned and was not a penny off but abuses happened. proud little juan he was very of himself.

Cypher Piggie

2:11 a.m.

worthless thread bout some worthless 'cristian' wife beater ahd fuckin worthless religion get lost

Cypher Piggie

2:42 a.m.

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This shit is pure propaganda, every bit as bad as any MSM....

we independent research and juan is us citizen

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