Re: from Zenaan - was Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
hey Zenaan! got some copy-pasta stuck in the dest; probably not censored :)
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
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^- >> cypherpunks@cpunks.org On 2/26/16, Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, new threads by me are definitely getting rejected, and instantaneously too...
Due to a separate rejection, I take it that cross-posting has also been banned for my email address.
I will not do any run around of creating (or using) an alternate email address especially for cp@. That's just an arms race and as I've always said: - it has been and remains my intention to respect the intentions of the founders/ creators of this mailing list
So whoever is running/ administrating this list has decided they want to clip my wings. In principle that's fair enough, BUT:
- no one ever emailed me offlist or onlist saying that they are an administrator of the list and that they wanted me to post less, or to meet some other conditions - such behaviour is cowardly, like a stab in the back - such behaviour provides no opportunity for me to respect the administrator(s) of the list - since they never owned up to being an administrator, and never admitted to me their requirements about posting less or in some other way, they are being cowardly and providing no opportunity to me, to meet their requirements - I do not accept cowardly behaviour from list administrators - I thought cp@ was not a list of cowards, or for cowards
I am not interested in participating in half a mailing list (one where I can only receive emails and reply to other people, but not post new threads and not cross-post).
I am not interested in participating in a mailing list where temporary (or permanent) restrictions are put in place without notice to the person being restricted. I will not accept such cowardly behaviour.
SO, short of the cypherpunks list administrator(s) apologising to me for their cowardliness, and reinstating my posting privileges for my primary email address, and stating clearly their requirements for posting to the list, and doing this publicly on the list so other people know the requirements for posting to the list, then I shall remove myself from this so-called "community" and find some other place where who I am is respected, and where cowards are told to grow the fuck up! Some place where children are not pretending they're adults with their cowardly behaviour.
Alex, Juan, Jim, coderman and Steve, in one way or another you have eached gained my respect. Thank you each for being who you are. If any of you have a suggestion for an alternate mailing list, I would certainly consider joining. I am still not in a stable enough living environment nor with any ADSL internet access, so I am still not in a position to set up an email server myself - but I am confident that this situation will change within about 1 year.
Best regards, Zen
PS, if anyone wants to post this email publicly, I certainly consent to you doing so.
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I've had an offlist comment that the following is a great start, so I'll try sending it again. Good luck little email...
On 2/25/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
So Eben is going to run for president.
Let's make his job easy - write a first draft of his platform.
There is the detailed version, for the geeks 'round these parts, and the simple version, for the footy tribe.
0. Constitutional basis - executive orders affirming each and every (??) clause of the Constitution of the United States of America.
1. Eliminate all non-court ordered (by a human judge, and with no order covering more than two target individuals at a time) monitoring (monitoring of all forms).
2. Eliminate the CIA. Eliminate Machiavellian military "exploration" and all state-sponsored and any other coups and regime changes.
3. ???
Zenaan Harkness: OK, new threads by me are definitely getting rejected, and instantaneously too... Due to a separate rejection, I take it that cross-posting has also been banned for my email address.
I will not do any run around of creating (or using) an alternate email address especially for cp@. That's just an arms race and as I've always said: - * it has been and remains my intention to respect the intentions ofthe founders/ creators of this mailing list*
Whaaaat???
Who told you the "creators" of this mailing list did that to you? Dont you forget our friends from the NSA. And second question is... have they got this kind of right to ban someone from the list? *It contradicts the whole concept of the cypherpunk idea/ls.* If any of you have a suggestion for an alternate mailing list, I would
certainly consider joining.
Me too. PS, if anyone wants to post this email publicly, I certainly consent
to you doing so.
i post this reply with your letter to cypherpunk list right now. On 2/26/16, Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, new threads by me are definitely getting rejected, and instantaneously too...
Due to a separate rejection, I take it that cross-posting has also been banned for my email address.
I will not do any run around of creating (or using) an alternate email address especially for cp@. That's just an arms race and as I've always said: - it has been and remains my intention to respect the intentions of the founders/ creators of this mailing list
So whoever is running/ administrating this list has decided they want to clip my wings. In principle that's fair enough, BUT:
- no one ever emailed me offlist or onlist saying that they are an administrator of the list and that they wanted me to post less, or to meet some other conditions - such behaviour is cowardly, like a stab in the back - such behaviour provides no opportunity for me to respect the administrator(s) of the list - since they never owned up to being an administrator, and never admitted to me their requirements about posting less or in some other way, they are being cowardly and providing no opportunity to me, to meet their requirements - I do not accept cowardly behaviour from list administrators - I thought cp@ was not a list of cowards, or for cowards
I am not interested in participating in half a mailing list (one where I can only receive emails and reply to other people, but not post new threads and not cross-post).
I am not interested in participating in a mailing list where temporary (or permanent) restrictions are put in place without notice to the person being restricted. I will not accept such cowardly behaviour.
SO, short of the cypherpunks list administrator(s) apologising to me for their cowardliness, and reinstating my posting privileges for my primary email address, and stating clearly their requirements for posting to the list, and doing this publicly on the list so other people know the requirements for posting to the list, then I shall remove myself from this so-called "community" and find some other place where who I am is respected, and where cowards are told to grow the fuck up! Some place where children are not pretending they're adults with their cowardly behaviour.
Alex, Juan, Jim, coderman and Steve, in one way or another you have eached gained my respect. Thank you each for being who you are. If any of you have a suggestion for an alternate mailing list, I would certainly consider joining. I am still not in a stable enough living environment nor with any ADSL internet access, so I am still not in a position to set up an email server myself - but I am confident that this situation will change within about 1 year.
Best regards, Zen
PS, if anyone wants to post this email publicly, I certainly consent to you doing so.
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Is this self-parodying performance art? -Travis On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Александр <afalex169@gmail.com> wrote:
Zenaan Harkness:
OK, new threads by me are definitely getting rejected, and instantaneously too... Due to a separate rejection, I take it that cross-posting has also been banned for my email address.
I will not do any run around of creating (or using) an alternate email address especially for cp@. That's just an arms race and as I've always said: - * it has been and remains my intention to respect the intentions ofthe founders/ creators of this mailing list*
Whaaaat??? Who told you the "creators" of this mailing list did that to you? Dont you forget our friends from the NSA. And second question is... have they got this kind of right to ban someone from the list? *It contradicts the whole concept of the cypherpunk idea/ls.*
If any of you have a suggestion for an alternate mailing list, I would
certainly consider joining.
Me too.
PS, if anyone wants to post this email publicly, I certainly consent
to you doing so.
i post this reply with your letter to cypherpunk list right now.
On 2/26/16, Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, new threads by me are definitely getting rejected, and instantaneously too...
Due to a separate rejection, I take it that cross-posting has also been banned for my email address.
I will not do any run around of creating (or using) an alternate email address especially for cp@. That's just an arms race and as I've always said: - it has been and remains my intention to respect the intentions of the founders/ creators of this mailing list
So whoever is running/ administrating this list has decided they want to clip my wings. In principle that's fair enough, BUT:
- no one ever emailed me offlist or onlist saying that they are an administrator of the list and that they wanted me to post less, or to meet some other conditions - such behaviour is cowardly, like a stab in the back - such behaviour provides no opportunity for me to respect the administrator(s) of the list - since they never owned up to being an administrator, and never admitted to me their requirements about posting less or in some other way, they are being cowardly and providing no opportunity to me, to meet their requirements - I do not accept cowardly behaviour from list administrators - I thought cp@ was not a list of cowards, or for cowards
I am not interested in participating in half a mailing list (one where I can only receive emails and reply to other people, but not post new threads and not cross-post).
I am not interested in participating in a mailing list where temporary (or permanent) restrictions are put in place without notice to the person being restricted. I will not accept such cowardly behaviour.
SO, short of the cypherpunks list administrator(s) apologising to me for their cowardliness, and reinstating my posting privileges for my primary email address, and stating clearly their requirements for posting to the list, and doing this publicly on the list so other people know the requirements for posting to the list, then I shall remove myself from this so-called "community" and find some other place where who I am is respected, and where cowards are told to grow the fuck up! Some place where children are not pretending they're adults with their cowardly behaviour.
Alex, Juan, Jim, coderman and Steve, in one way or another you have eached gained my respect. Thank you each for being who you are. If any of you have a suggestion for an alternate mailing list, I would certainly consider joining. I am still not in a stable enough living environment nor with any ADSL internet access, so I am still not in a position to set up an email server myself - but I am confident that this situation will change within about 1 year.
Best regards, Zen
PS, if anyone wants to post this email publicly, I certainly consent to you doing so.
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@Travis: I am always on the lookout for self-parodying performance art! But, alas, this is what started it all:
The error that the other server returned was: 550 5.1.1 <cyphercypherpunks@cpunks.org <mailto:cyphercypherpunks@cpunks.org>>... User unknown
Is there supposed to be an alias for cyphercypherpunks@cpunks.org to point to cypherpunks@cpunks.org ? I suspect that the address was mistyped once, and now address auto-complete keeps choosing it. I constantly use Thunberbird autocomplete, but I've had problems sending messages to the wrong people with the same first name... I should add better contextual scoping to that mechanism. @Zenaan: @Александр: But do carry on with your hair trigger freakout. You have a ways to go to challenge the masters of that. sdw On 2/26/16 8:08 AM, Travis Biehn wrote:
Is this self-parodying performance art?
-Travis
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Александр <afalex169@gmail.com <mailto:afalex169@gmail.com>> wrote:
Zenaan Harkness: OK, new threads by me are definitely getting rejected, and instantaneously too... Due to a separate rejection, I take it that cross-posting has also been banned for my email address.
I will not do any run around of creating (or using) an alternate email address especially for cp@. That's just an arms race and as I've always said: -*it has been and remains my intention to respect the intentions of the founders/ creators of this mailing list*
Whaaaat??? Who told you the "creators" of this mailing list did that to you? Dont you forget our friends from the NSA. And second question is... have they got this kind of right to ban someone from the list? *It contradicts the whole concept of the cypherpunk idea/ls.*
If any of you have a suggestion for an alternate mailing list, I would certainly consider joining.
Me too.
PS, if anyone wants to post this email publicly, I certainly consent to you doing so.
i post this reply with your letter to cypherpunk list right now.
On 2/26/16, Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@gmail.com <mailto:zenaan@gmail.com>> wrote: > OK, new threads by me are definitely getting rejected, and > instantaneously too... > > Due to a separate rejection, I take it that cross-posting has also > been banned for my email address. > > I will not do any run around of creating (or using) an alternate email > address especially for cp@. > That's just an arms race and as I've always said: > - it has been and remains my intention to respect the intentions of > the founders/ creators of this mailing list > > So whoever is running/ administrating this list has decided they want > to clip my wings. In principle that's fair enough, BUT: > > - no one ever emailed me offlist or onlist saying that they are an > administrator of the list and that they wanted me to post less, or to > meet some other conditions > - such behaviour is cowardly, like a stab in the back > - such behaviour provides no opportunity for me to respect the > administrator(s) of the list - since they never owned up to being an > administrator, and never admitted to me their requirements about > posting less or in some other way, they are being cowardly and > providing no opportunity to me, to meet their requirements > - I do not accept cowardly behaviour from list administrators > - I thought cp@ was not a list of cowards, or for cowards > > I am not interested in participating in half a mailing list (one where > I can only receive emails and reply to other people, but not post new > threads and not cross-post). > > I am not interested in participating in a mailing list where temporary > (or permanent) restrictions are put in place without notice to the > person being restricted. I will not accept such cowardly behaviour. > > SO, short of the cypherpunks list administrator(s) apologising to me > for their cowardliness, and reinstating my posting privileges for my > primary email address, and stating clearly their requirements for > posting to the list, and doing this publicly on the list so other > people know the requirements for posting to the list, then I shall > remove myself from this so-called "community" and find some other > place where who I am is respected, and where cowards are told to grow > the fuck up! Some place where children are not pretending they're > adults with their cowardly behaviour. > > Alex, Juan, Jim, coderman and Steve, in one way or another you have > eached gained my respect. Thank you each for being who you are. If any > of you have a suggestion for an alternate mailing list, I would > certainly consider joining. I am still not in a stable enough living > environment nor with any ADSL internet access, so I am still not in a > position to set up an email server myself - but I am confident that > this situation will change within about 1 year. > > Best regards, > Zen > > PS, if anyone wants to post this email publicly, I certainly consent > to you doing so. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@googlemail.com <mailto:mailer-daemon@googlemail.com>> > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 22:38:22 +0000 > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) > To: zenaan@gmail.com <mailto:zenaan@gmail.com> > > Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: > > cyphercypherpunks@cpunks.org <mailto:cyphercypherpunks@cpunks.org> > > Technical details of permanent failure: > Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the > server for the recipient domain cpunks.org <http://cpunks.org> by mail.jfet.org <http://mail.jfet.org>. > [209.141.47.85]. > > The error that the other server returned was: > 550 5.1.1 <cyphercypherpunks@cpunks.org <mailto:cyphercypherpunks@cpunks.org>>... 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