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Razer

30 Aug 2016 30 Aug '16

5:16 p.m.

On 08/29/2016 03:54 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 08/29/2016 06:30 PM, grarpamp wrote:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-says-foreign-hackers-penetrated-0000001 75.html

https://s.yimg.com/dh/ap/politics/images/boe_flash_aug_2016_final.pdf

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The FBI has uncovered evidence that foreign hackers penetrated two state election databases...

This is an outrage! That information is supposed to cost money, dammit. It's public record and anyone can buy it, so the Russians had no business breaking in to copy it. Cheap bastards.

:o(

There NOTHING here to indicate a hack no less a RUSSIAN hack except the FBI's "Suspected" say-so. "Matt Roberts, a spokesman for the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office, said state authorities were notified last month by the FBI of the ***SUSPECTED*** hack, when it was discovered the username and password of a county election official were being circulated online." "...authorities ***BELIEVE*** the source of the attempted intrusion was a Russian hacker." This could have been a simple cybersecurity fuckup on the part of [username] http://www.azcentral.com/story/tech/news/2016/08/29/hackers-hit-arizona-illi...

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Sean Lynch

30 Aug 30 Aug

5:35 p.m.

New subject: FBI says foreign hackers have penetrated US state election databases.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Razer wrote:

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On 08/29/2016 03:54 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 08/29/2016 06:30 PM, grarpamp wrote:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-says-foreign-hackers-penetrated-0000001 75.html

https://s.yimg.com/dh/ap/politics/images/boe_flash_aug_2016_final.pdf

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The FBI has uncovered evidence that foreign hackers penetrated two state election databases...

This is an outrage! That information is supposed to cost money, dammit. It's public record and anyone can buy it, so the Russians had no business breaking in to copy it. Cheap bastards.

:o(

There NOTHING here to indicate a hack no less a RUSSIAN hack except the FBI's "Suspected" say-so.

"Matt Roberts, a spokesman for the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office, said state authorities were notified last month by the FBI of the ***SUSPECTED*** hack, when it was discovered the username and password of a county election official were being circulated online."

"...authorities ***BELIEVE*** the source of the attempted intrusion was a Russian hacker."

This could have been a simple cybersecurity fuckup on the part of [username]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/tech/news/2016/08/29/ hackers-hit-arizona-illinois-voter-databases/89547326/

And even if it were a Russian hacker, it's a long trip from there to its being a hacker working under orders from the Russian government for the purpose of swaying the US election. Arizona kinda makes sense since it looks like the vote will be close there and it's winner-take all. But why Illinois? There's no way to swing Illinois toward Trump and not get caught. Of course, that assumes that the supposed hack was targeted only at those states, when it's more likely every state was targeted and either only those states had vulnerabilities the hackers could find, or only those states had enough auditing in place to even know they'd been hit. Given the general state of computer security in government, especially state government, databases, my money's on the last one. And the most likely motives are money, embarrassing the government, and lulz. Probably all three. Maybe they were Russian, maybe they were Ukranians pretending to be coming from Russia, or maybe the NSA is pulling a fast one on the FBI. It's also possible the FBI is simply lying, but then we're back to the problem of why Illinois? If you were going to make up a Russian hack for the purpose of swaying the election, wouldn't you pick likely swing states?

grarpamp

31 Aug 31 Aug

6:57 a.m.

New subject: FBI says foreign hackers have penetrated US state election databases.

On 8/30/16, Razer wrote:

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There NOTHING here to indicate a hack no less a RUSSIAN hack except the FBI's "Suspected" say-so.

Remember wmd in iraq... gov always talks shit out its ass to suit its own gang. Unless you see the raw data and draw your own conclusions, it's all talking head bullshit. IP addresses in a pdf, lol, probably cia owned vps to blame russia. Co-engineered with more talk about desperate need for data retention. Fuck that, shut your arses, peel a measly $2B off your budget and give it straight to BSD and Linux Foundations so they can make more secure os with it. And maybe another measly $2B to send every admin in your country to at least one security class of their choice. Stupid "govts". Cypherpunks for Office.

Steve Kinney

8:53 a.m.

New subject: FBI says foreign hackers have penetrated US state election databases.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/31/2016 02:57 AM, grarpamp wrote:

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On 8/30/16, Razer wrote:

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There NOTHING here to indicate a hack no less a RUSSIAN hack except the FBI's "Suspected" say-so.

Remember wmd in iraq... gov always talks shit out its ass to suit its own gang. Unless you see the raw data and draw your own conclusions, it's all talking head bullshit. IP addresses in a pdf, lol, probably cia owned vps to blame russia. Co-engineered with more talk about desperate need for data retention.

Fuck that, shut your arses, peel a measly $2B off your budget and give it straight to BSD and Linux Foundations so they can make more secure os with it. And maybe another measly $2B to send every admin in your country to at least one security class of their choice.

Stupid "govts". Cypherpunks for Office.

Rat Own! Me some too! Meanwhile, wannabet that it was a spamming, scamming, SEO contracting Amerikan who borrowed those lists, which after all /are/ for sale to marketers. Maybe he just went looking for or phished an open server address, then played TOR Roulette till he had an exit node in a "humorous" jurisdiction and proceeded with teh download? This scenario fits the crime, includes an element of ironic humor, and provides the physical excuse for a diversionary Big Lie in advance of Amerikan rigging of a Presidential election by competing red and blue teams. "The Russians did it, nobody saw me, you can't prove anything." I can't wait to see 'em go at it. I sure hope they don't miss the chance of presenting a star studded production of The Three Stooges Hack An Election. :o) * sorry about the misapplication of the holy totem word "hack", I been talking to too many kids lately and it just slipped out. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXxpsZAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqJrwH/i1hOpnyUwuEDvT1IX7/ASDQ AJOAXpc0HlTnODm0FDsid1bdERhGTGo81+VAlS67NMEFlGw05DsHqCxgTYy2fp6P Zo/4AdtZChMEX9NG8O+ozAPGvO1G0oLraZmc9vlAhkFKCl4lrqear1RWeJNfpGE8 hDKKh5HcOF1QdtOzXM4aIDZVCmxODhJwvogxwYhnGHuApoARHErxkB15Ua6yTulv odbeR3Teg6FOplKTgJzX9VDy6j5j85ztS4EE/MQIZh5kaNxvxXDxOKdZRKw8gvGV UPQKNOjn1PK7yu3uCacEd2V8m+ZpcGhZcU1w9UEjpEI8UPDi/4DLyonIP/c4k0A= =JC2n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Georgi Guninski

10:34 a.m.

New subject: $4B for security & cpunks in office

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 02:57:53AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:

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Fuck that, shut your arses, peel a measly $2B off your budget and give it straight to BSD and Linux Foundations so they can make

That is better than nothing, but I don't think it will happen. If my RAM serves me (there might be more than parity errors), some .gov agency offered non-negligible amount of money to openbsd just to work. openbsd agreed. Theo de Raadt made a public comment something like "they will make few less missiles without this money, this is good". the deal was cancelled and openbsd didn't get any money.

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more secure os with it. And maybe another measly $2B to send every admin in your country to at least one security class of their choice.

IMHO this will have negligible effect. Sending people to classes doesn't make them any better. especially "mouse admins", they click on wizards and on "weird updates". This year, professor told me electrical and electronics students in universities can't do arithmetic with rational numbers (like 1/2+1/3=?) on paper. Who admins the home/mobile phone users?

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Stupid "govts".

Disagree. More like greedy puppet "govts".

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Cypherpunks for Office.

I suspect all cpunks who stay alive to go to office can be corrupted, blackmailed, drugged, killed later, etc when in office. Like JFK. GIGO. If the planet is rooted, you can't expect userland to be sound.

Razer

3:13 p.m.

New subject: FBI says foreign hackers have penetrated US state election databases.

On 08/30/2016 11:57 PM, grarpamp wrote:

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On 8/30/16, Razer wrote:

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There NOTHING here to indicate a hack no less a RUSSIAN hack except the FBI's "Suspected" say-so.

Remember wmd in iraq... gov always talks shit out its ass to suit its own gang. Unless you see the raw data and draw your own conclusions, it's all talking head bullshit. IP addresses in a pdf, lol, probably cia owned vps to blame russia. Co-engineered with more talk about desperate need for data retention.

Fuck that, shut your arses, peel a measly $2B off your budget and give it straight to BSD and Linux Foundations so they can make more secure os with it. And maybe another measly $2B to send every admin in your country to at least one security class of their choice.

Stupid "govts". Cypherpunks for Office.

I believe in many of these so-called attacks, when they're real ones, the US plants bots on Chinese, Russian, computers that attack US agencies, commercial institutions, etc, and steal the data for the US intel community... One thing Snowden's doxdumps showed was the US LUVS industrial espionage. Can stealing credit card and other personal data for resale be off-limits then? The CIA and all the rest ARE WELL-KNOWN for dealing with the Mafia and organized crime generally (because the US government IS organized crime) Meanwhile the bots provide a convenient alibi for the simple-minded, that Chinese or Russian computers are doing it (so it must be their fault) and some of the less-useful dox are dumped on the public. Like a dead horse head in their bed. (Cue the theme from the Godfather) Rr

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