Please review: Petition to President Trump to Declare Martial Law
Hi folks, if you have a few minutes, please review this proposed petition to Trump. It also needs a destination for each "signee" to send their copy to - perhaps this is somewhere at WhiteHouse.gov ? I shall look at this with a view to finalising it and sending/promoting it, tomorrow afternoon (Saturday night USA time, Sunday afternoon Australia time). Once changes are incorporated, I shall forward the final version for use. Thanks, Zenaan
Petition of United States of America Elector(s) and others, to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law, and to Arrest and Charge Traitors, and to Command the Military to Conduct a Re-Election in Certain States To the Honourable The President of the United States of America: I am an elector entitled to vote in an election in the United States of America, for a member of congress, for a member of the senate, and for the President, and/or I support this petition to President Trump. It is my duty to inform you of my will with regards to the 3rd November 2020 United States of America election ("the election"). Pursuant to the proven and alleged widespread fraud in the election, occasioned with, and/or by, and/or in relation to: - The Dominion voting machines and other voting machines. - State election officials. - State Attorney Generals. - State Secretaries of State. - Fraudulent votes of many types including votes by dead people, validated or "cured" blank votes, votes illegally swapped between candidates, phantom voter votes, destruction of legitimate votes, mass identical votes dropped around 4AM on 4th November 2020, inter-state delivery of hundreds of thousands of pre-filled "votes", "lost" legitimate votes, votes counted multiple times instead of once. - Many procedural and process failures including disallowing of duly authorised poll watchers from watching vote counting, poll watchers being not allowed back into counting areas aftey they returned from a toilet break. - Illegal changes to election processes and election conduct. - Destruction of legitimate votes. - Destruction of vote counting audit trails. - Obstruction by election officials and by members of state parliaments against those seeking to make discovery of vote fraud. - Dominion voting machine seals being removed, tampered with and/or non existent. - Illegal and fraudulent use and handling of USB and memory sticks. - Destruction of USB and memory stick usage, check in and check out logs. - Suitcases full of votes being pulled out from under desks after poll watchers had been ordered to leave and go home for the night and subsequently vote counting of the "votes" within those suitcases being counted during the night without any poll watchers present. - Illegal influence and interference of voters when voting. - 68% and 70% rejection rates of votes, pre-programmed into the Dominion vote counting machines. - Over 1,000 affidavits of witnesses to election fraud, irregularities and other election problems. - During a “risk-limited audit” ordered by Michigan Secretary of State Benson (as a result of the Dominion vote counting machine discoverias made by Constitutional Attorney Matthew DePerno) a Michigan Secretary of State official was recorded on video telling multiple volunteers in the audit to count "multiple ballots with the very same signature" during that audit. - Extereme bias and censorship by "Big Tech" including Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and Google leading up to the election. - Extereme bias and suppression of relevant information such as Hunter Biden's laptop, by the "Main Stream Media" including CNN, the New York Times, MSNBC and even Fox News. - Foreign interference in the election by China, Iran and possibly other foreign powers. - Blatant bias in rulings by state courts. - Apparent problems in the Supreme Court of the United States where the Texas case against certain swing states, which was clearly a case within the original jurisdiction of the Supreme Court of the United States, was rejected by that court for want of a "judicially cognizable interest in the matter", which from the lay person's perpective is absurd (how can a state such as Texas which DOES abide by the constitution, NOT be affected by an illegal election outcome due to other states NOT abiding by the constitution??). - As alleged by Attorney Lin Wood, corruption and independence and conflict of interest problems with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, Chief Justice John Roberts, and similarly alleged problems with Justice Stephen Breyer. - The "six dimensions of voting irregularities" in the report by Trade Advisor Peter Navarro, "include: outright voter fraud, ballot mishandling, contestable process fouls, equal protection clause violations, voting machine irregularities, and significant statistical anomalies." "All six of those voting issues were present in at least two key states, according to the report, and a total of six battleground states experienced multiple examples of the other dimensions." "Navarro's report cites numerous affidavits that allege the exploitation of the elderly and the infirm by “effectively hijacking their identities and votes” while accusing Democrats of politicizing the COVID-19 pandemic so they could challenge state election laws to, among other things, relax voter ID requirements to the point that ballot harvesting and fraud occur without notice," and ultimately a "statistically impossible" win for Joe Biden. - Many violations of state laws in the conduct of the elections and in the handling of ballots, memory sticks and vote counting machines. And further pursuant to the evident corruption of certain politicians with apparent conflicts of interest with China and other foreign powers; it is clear to me that an appropriate way forward in order to bring forth justice and to bypass certain of the corruption and sabotage evidently happening in the United States of America in the courts and legislative bodies, that you, honourable President Trump, declare Martial Law with the purpose and intention of arresting and charging those responsible for the aforesaid illegal acts, corruptions and treasons; AND for the purpose of conducting a free and fair election in certain states under the supervision of our military. I support this course of action which has also been called for by General Michael Flynn, by Virginia state Senator and gubernatorial candidate Amanda Chase, by Attorney Lin Wood, and by many others. Yours faithfully,
Thank you to those who provided feedback and corrections, including spelling errors (which are corrected in the wordpress link below) - hopefully I did not miss any. This tweet/parley is reasonably concise - useful for sharing. Trump does not stand alone if he declares Martial Law - this time, we stand with him. Good luck and God speed everybody. https://parler.com/post/6c0d86f09c554551b850932ed3324ff9 @ Zenaan 2020-12-20 I endorse the Petition to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law re the 2020 election. To support President Trump and endorse this petition, copy the line above and INCLUDE THE PETITION LINK below in your message to the president at whitehouse dot gov. https://zenaan.wordpress.com/2020/12/20/petition-to-president-trump-to-decla... https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:53:14 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Petition of United States of America Elector(s) and others, to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law,
you should post that on jim.com
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 05:33:31AM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:53:14 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Petition of United States of America Elector(s) and others, to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law,
you should post that on jim.com
jim.com is shutting down
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:46:48 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 05:33:31AM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:53:14 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Petition of United States of America Elector(s) and others, to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law,
you should post that on jim.com
jim.com is shutting down
by the way, you're calling for overt military dictatorship - maybe you don't know what martial law is?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 01:51:06PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:46:48 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 05:33:31AM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:53:14 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Petition of United States of America Elector(s) and others, to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law,
you should post that on jim.com
jim.com is shutting down
by the way, you're calling for overt military dictatorship - maybe you don't know what martial law is?
You're calling for the murder of all politicians - may be you don't know the life ending result of murder? Limited martial law would at this point be a very good thing. The word "limited" means "not unlimited". In this context, folks have named specific intentions for the purpose of this particular event. I endorse the Petition to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law re the 2020 election. I'm not badged so I cannot post a link, so I'll try this: parler.com/post/6c0d86f09c554551b850932ed3324ff9 https://parler.com/post/6c0d86f09c554551b850932ed3324ff9
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:45:46 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
by the way, you're calling for overt military dictatorship - maybe you don't know what martial law is?
You're calling for the murder of all politicians - may be you don't know the life ending result of murder?
yes, extermination of politicians in self-defense, or Justice. You are calling for the exact opposite.
Limited martial law would at this point be a very good thing.
ok, at least you acknowledge you are a complete fascist.
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 07:00:10PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:45:46 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
by the way, you're calling for overt military dictatorship - maybe you don't know what martial law is?
You're calling for the murder of all politicians - may be you don't know the life ending result of murder?
yes, extermination of politicians in self-defense, or Justice. You are calling for the exact opposite.
Limited martial law would at this point be a very good thing.
ok, at least you acknowledge you are a complete fascist.
Your program is well known - "no distinction between politicians of any colour, eff the whole system, all who even attempt to work with it are traitors of the first order". The petition calling for president Trump to declare martial law, which I have endorsed, is just a backup plan: hopefully Trump does not need to declare martial law due to court rulings, protests, Georgia runoff, things like that. But if worse comes to worst, and president Trump does end up needing to declare martial law to handle the demon rats, then he shall know that many electors and others are calling for martial law and support him doing so. We have no need of another "Ulyssees" being JFK'ed. We must work together, since we are in fact in this together, like it or not...
Here is what not only the Trump team direct, but lawyers who take on these election fraud cases, must face. Note that James Troupis is a former Wisconsin Judge who is now representing the Trump campaign in their lawsuits in Wisconsin. Former Wisconsin Judge: 'Our Court System Has Been Deeply Intimidated by the Left' https://www.zerohedge.com/political/former-wisconsin-judge-our-court-system-... Janita Kan via The Epoch Times https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-wisconsin-judge-our-court-system-has-be... A former judge from Wisconsin, who is now representing the Trump campaign in the state, told lawmakers this week that he believes intimidation by the left has prevented lawyers and judges from accepting and hearing election fraud cases. “We have to acknowledge that the court system has been deeply intimidated by the left, just as the lawyers have been intimidated,” James Troupis told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on Wednesday. “And that’s a sad, sad state of affairs.” The committee was conducting a hearing that explored voting “irregularities” from the 2020 general election. https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/multiple-witnesses-testify-on-election... During the hearing, witnesses testified about a litany of alleged instances of election fraud occurring in multiple contested states. Their claims are backed up by mounting evidence from witnesses, whistleblowers, and data experts that have emerged in recent weeks alleging that a proportion of ballots cast and counted in these battleground states were done so under irregular and fraudulent circumstances. Much of the evidence was presented through affidavits in the lawsuits filed by the Trump campaign or third parties, and through state legislature hearings hosted by Republicans. During the Senate hearing, Troupis, one of the witnesses, explained why he decided to represent the campaign in their effort to challenge election results when many lawyers refused. He said that he believes many prominent law firms did not want to participate in the election lawsuits due to a fear of retaliation by the left. “One of the reasons I was called because virtually every major law firm in this country and in this city refused to represent the president. Not because of the lack of merit in his claims—we’ve certainly demonstrated that there’s merit—but because of the cancel culture,” Troupis said. “Because of the environment that has been created by the left that has intimidated lawyers so that they can’t be here. They’re not here, from the giant law firms, precisely because they were ordered by their management committees and others that, ‘You cannot take those cases. The reasons you cannot take those cases is because our clients, or the Democrat party, or the incoming administration will remember that and they will hold it against you.'” He added, “As a former judge, I was so incensed by that.” This comes as other lawyers representing the president and his campaign have revealed that they have been harassed or threatened following their decision to take up election cases. One of the lawyers, Linda Kern, who has since withdrawn from a Pennsylvania case, had to be placed under official protection after receiving “threats of harm.” Kern revealed in November that she had “been subjected to continuous harassment in the form of abusive emails, phone calls, physical and economic threats, and even accusations of treason—all for representing the President of the United States’ campaign in this litigation.” https://www.theepochtimes.com/lawyer-representing-trump-in-pennsylvania-plac... Kern said that some of the harassment came from a lawyer from an opposing firm—Kirkland & Ellis, which is representing defendants in the election case—who left a minute-long voicemail that “falls afoul of the standards of professional conduct.” Another Kirkland lawyer defended his firm, saying that the call was “discourteous and not appropriate” but disagreed with Kern’s characterization. The firm eventually withdrew from the case. https://www.theepochtimes.com/law-firm-withdraws-from-representing-boockvar-... Similarly, Trump campaign legal adviser Jenna Ellis said she’s received “hundreds” of threats, including anonymous phone calls, since taking up election cases. https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/trump-lawyer-jenna-ellis-says-shes-rec... Despite the difficulties, many Trump campaign lawyers and attorneys from third-party lawsuits are pushing forward with their legal challenges seeking to invalidate certain ballots until concerns over potential fraud are transparently and independently addressed. However, many of these cases have been tossed out by judges for procedural reasons, such as lack of standing to bring a case; lack of jurisdiction to sue; mootness, where there is no longer a controversy between the parties; and laches, where a judge ruled there was a lack of diligence in bringing a claim. Other judges were not convinced by the allegations presented. Ellis told The Epoch Times’ “American Thought Leaders” in a recent interview that the “fight is not over” and that the president has until January to continue with their legal efforts. https://www.theepochtimes.com/jenna-ellis-to-the-american-people-take-heart-... Jack Phillips contributed to this report. Follow Janita on Twitter: @janitakan
I'm not badged so I cannot post a link, so I'll try this:
parler.com/post/6c0d86f09c554551b850932ed3324ff9
If stupid censorious sites with fucking garbage policies won't let people posts links, contact info, etc... then obfuscate by removing link regex matches hxxps slash dot one two thre four fiv six at atsign me at space jeeeeemayle base64 encoding etc Fuck these Censors in online services used by the masses.
Here is the petition on Gab: https://gab.com/zenaan/posts/105420632217609948 Oddly enough, gab seems to allow folks to include links when commenting... On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 07:35:11PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
I'm not badged so I cannot post a link, so I'll try this:
parler.com/post/6c0d86f09c554551b850932ed3324ff9
If stupid censorious sites with fucking garbage policies won't let people posts links, contact info, etc...
then obfuscate by removing link regex matches
hxxps slash dot one two thre four fiv six at atsign me at space jeeeeemayle
base64 encoding
etc
Fuck these Censors in online services used by the masses.
6 Jan could be a useful test run for the limited declaration of martial law and the exercise of martial law authority thereafter (geographic perimeter limitation). For example, should the deep state arrange any sort of false flag event, or possibly even an "uncontrollable" outbreak of Antifa/BLM fighting, arson, destruction etc. In Australia, our analogy to Washington DC is Canberra (also our territories) where federal jurisdiction prevails. I am not familiar with the specifics of DC jurisdiction. When "peaceful ideas", I mean "candle light vigils", or whatever the latest demon rat name for terrorist activity happens to be, get going... In the 6 Jan case it's probable that 1.5 to 2 million Trump "stop the steal" patriots shall appear anyway, which obviates certain false flags. Nevertheless if opportunity strikes, no point letting it go to waste. On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 06:02:46PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Here is the petition on Gab:
https://gab.com/zenaan/posts/105420632217609948
Oddly enough, gab seems to allow folks to include links when commenting...
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 07:35:11PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
I'm not badged so I cannot post a link, so I'll try this:
parler.com/post/6c0d86f09c554551b850932ed3324ff9
If stupid censorious sites with fucking garbage policies won't let people posts links, contact info, etc...
then obfuscate by removing link regex matches
hxxps slash dot one two thre four fiv six at atsign me at space jeeeeemayle
base64 encoding
etc
Fuck these Censors in online services used by the masses.
With never-Trumper traitor RINO Mitt Romney, Senator, promising to side with Democrat demon rats on Wednesday "TRAITOR TRAITOR TRAITOR": Romney Boards Flight Filled With Trump Supporters, Gets Absolutely Grilled [VIDEO] https://trendingpolitics.com/traitor-traitor-traitor-romney-boards-flight-fi... it looks like we're in for martial law or something akin to it, since the Republicans only hold the senate by two seats, not including the Georgia runoff. Pence could save the day. Or not. Nobody knows his true heart but he and God, but we do know he has failed to publicly declare any absolute refusal under God to NOT count slates of electors arising from fraudulent votes. There's 'conservative', and then there's failure to speak the truth the people need to hear.. Texas Senator Ted Cruz is unfortunately calling for an 1877 style "10 day commission" to "investigate and report on the alleged election irregularities" which is disappointingly weak, but could turn out sufficient. Here's hoping Lin Wood does have the goods as he alleges. The implications arising from his public "deep state wrecking ball" tweets suggest the "greatest show on Earth" may just be about to go down, and if so then there appears abundant grounds (evidence) for invoking the Insurrection Act, and/or the consequences arising from certain of Trump's executive orders about foreign interference and domestic traitors, and/or martial law of some sort. One way to get certainty in the face of the destruction of evidence and egregious illegal and fraudulent election behaviour that we've all seen, to put an end to the debate once and for all, is to declare martial law and have the military oversee the election re-run under the jurisdiction of federal martial law. Here's praying for North America... On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 02:08:40AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
6 Jan could be a useful test run for the limited declaration of martial law and the exercise of martial law authority thereafter (geographic perimeter limitation).
For example, should the deep state arrange any sort of false flag event, or possibly even an "uncontrollable" outbreak of Antifa/BLM fighting, arson, destruction etc.
In Australia, our analogy to Washington DC is Canberra (also our territories) where federal jurisdiction prevails. I am not familiar with the specifics of DC jurisdiction.
When "peaceful ideas", I mean "candle light vigils", or whatever the latest demon rat name for terrorist activity happens to be, get going...
In the 6 Jan case it's probable that 1.5 to 2 million Trump "stop the steal" patriots shall appear anyway, which obviates certain false flags.
Nevertheless if opportunity strikes, no point letting it go to waste.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 06:02:46PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Here is the petition on Gab:
https://gab.com/zenaan/posts/105420632217609948
Oddly enough, gab seems to allow folks to include links when commenting...
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 07:35:11PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
I'm not badged so I cannot post a link, so I'll try this:
parler.com/post/6c0d86f09c554551b850932ed3324ff9
If stupid censorious sites with fucking garbage policies won't let people posts links, contact info, etc...
then obfuscate by removing link regex matches
hxxps slash dot one two thre four fiv six at atsign me at space jeeeeemayle
base64 encoding
etc
Fuck these Censors in online services used by the masses.
There's a very good chance that a US re-election under martial law (after arresting and trying for treason and execution many traitors) will be needed: Pence Tells Trump He Cannot Block Congressional Certification of Election Results - Report https://sputniknews.com/us/202101061081663700-pence-tells-trump-cannot-block... … US Vice President Mike Pence has told President Donald Trump he does not have the power to block congressional certification of Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election, the New York Times reported on Tuesday night, citing people briefed on the conversation. … How can you certify an election when the numbers being certified are verifiably WRONG. You will see the real numbers tonight during my speech, but especially on JANUARY 6th. @SenTomCotton Republicans have pluses & minuses, but one thing is sure, THEY NEVER FORGET! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 4, 2021 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346110956078817280 ... So it now looks close to certain that Pence will forsake the North American people and forsake truth under God. This is unfortunate for Pence's Soul and for his progeny unto the 4th generation. As a reminder, any "law" such as the USA's Electoral Count Act 1877 which is unconstitutional, is no law at all, it is merely a nullity which is entitled to NO obedience (know your constitution). If Pence forsakes the constitution, the USA, the North American people, president Trump, truth and God itself, that is a sad day for Pence who'd be as the Galatians. Christians who learn their bible, who learn the teachings of Jesus Christ, do not hang on the tree of the (statute) law - it's the ultimate anarchist religious truth: Galatians 3 https://biblehub.com/kjv/galatians/3.htm 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. [ Christ Redeemed Us (Deuteronomy 21:22-23) ] 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. [ The Purpose of the Law (Romans 7:1-6) ] 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [ Sons Through Faith in Christ ] 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. How awesome is the above? "11… The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith" "13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law" Teach your fellow patriots this first class anarchist patriotic Christian principle muffaduckas :D Let us see what Pence is really made of... On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:11:43PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
With never-Trumper traitor RINO Mitt Romney, Senator, promising to side with Democrat demon rats on Wednesday
"TRAITOR TRAITOR TRAITOR": Romney Boards Flight Filled With Trump Supporters, Gets Absolutely Grilled [VIDEO] https://trendingpolitics.com/traitor-traitor-traitor-romney-boards-flight-fi...
it looks like we're in for martial law or something akin to it, since the Republicans only hold the senate by two seats, not including the Georgia runoff.
Pence could save the day. Or not. Nobody knows his true heart but he and God, but we do know he has failed to publicly declare any absolute refusal under God to NOT count slates of electors arising from fraudulent votes. There's 'conservative', and then there's failure to speak the truth the people need to hear..
Texas Senator Ted Cruz is unfortunately calling for an 1877 style "10 day commission" to "investigate and report on the alleged election irregularities" which is disappointingly weak, but could turn out sufficient.
Here's hoping Lin Wood does have the goods as he alleges. The implications arising from his public "deep state wrecking ball" tweets suggest the "greatest show on Earth" may just be about to go down, and if so then there appears abundant grounds (evidence) for invoking the Insurrection Act, and/or the consequences arising from certain of Trump's executive orders about foreign interference and domestic traitors, and/or martial law of some sort.
One way to get certainty in the face of the destruction of evidence and egregious illegal and fraudulent election behaviour that we've all seen, to put an end to the debate once and for all, is to declare martial law and have the military oversee the election re-run under the jurisdiction of federal martial law.
Here's praying for North America...
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 02:08:40AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
6 Jan could be a useful test run for the limited declaration of martial law and the exercise of martial law authority thereafter (geographic perimeter limitation).
For example, should the deep state arrange any sort of false flag event, or possibly even an "uncontrollable" outbreak of Antifa/BLM fighting, arson, destruction etc.
In Australia, our analogy to Washington DC is Canberra (also our territories) where federal jurisdiction prevails. I am not familiar with the specifics of DC jurisdiction.
When "peaceful ideas", I mean "candle light vigils", or whatever the latest demon rat name for terrorist activity happens to be, get going...
In the 6 Jan case it's probable that 1.5 to 2 million Trump "stop the steal" patriots shall appear anyway, which obviates certain false flags.
Nevertheless if opportunity strikes, no point letting it go to waste.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 06:02:46PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Here is the petition on Gab:
https://gab.com/zenaan/posts/105420632217609948
Oddly enough, gab seems to allow folks to include links when commenting...
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 07:35:11PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
I'm not badged so I cannot post a link, so I'll try this:
parler.com/post/6c0d86f09c554551b850932ed3324ff9
If stupid censorious sites with fucking garbage policies won't let people posts links, contact info, etc...
then obfuscate by removing link regex matches
hxxps slash dot one two thre four fiv six at atsign me at space jeeeeemayle
base64 encoding
etc
Fuck these Censors in online services used by the masses.
Christians who learn their bible, who learn the teachings of Jesus Christ, do not hang on the tree of the (statute) law - it's the ultimate anarchist religious truth: [thump thump thump "Praise da Lard!" "fire n' brimstone" thump thump
On 1/5/21 23:17, some dude forgot he was posting to the Cypherpunks list and wrote: thump etc] The Bible talk list is over -> that way. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 03:00:14AM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
Christians who learn their bible, who learn the teachings of Jesus Christ, do not hang on the tree of the (statute) law - it's the ultimate anarchist religious truth: [thump thump thump "Praise da Lard!" "fire n' brimstone" thump thump
On 1/5/21 23:17, some dude forgot he was posting to the Cypherpunks list and wrote: thump etc]
The Bible talk list is over -> that way.
-- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com>
Yes Shawn, "the statute law must come before our conscience". And you call yourself an anarchist? Libertarian perhaps? Constitutionalist? By all means feel free to continue to abide immoral, unjust, unconstitutional and downright evil man made laws.
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 21:03:49 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Yes Shawn, "the statute law must come before our conscience". And you call yourself an anarchist? Libertarian perhaps? Constitutionalist?
quinn is a textbook example of US fascist of the obomba variety. He would never pretend to be libertarian let alone 'anarchist'. You should be well aware of this. The one who pretends to be a 'libertarian' is your trumpofascist pal and piece of non human shit 'grarpamp'.
By all means feel free to continue to abide immoral, unjust, unconstitutional and downright evil man made laws.
and you of course and yet another infinite clown. A trumpofascist calling for military dictatorship.
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 07:14:54AM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 21:03:49 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
By all means feel free to continue to abide immoral, unjust, unconstitutional and downright evil man made laws.
and you of course and yet another infinite clown. A trumpofascist calling for military dictatorship.
For a geographically limited, restricted purpose, time limited, morally righteous, benevolent military dictatorship, in the USA, yes. And I shall continue to so advocate to the extent it seems wise/ apropos to circumstances. (Quite analogous to Crimea's secession/re-unification referendum.) Context is of course everything, as you've been reminding us well ("conflict may arise when the righteous man defends himself" - you've shared other such fundamental, and fundamentally good, principles). By the way, thank you for having such temperance and patience to ask me that graceful question - others may also have misunderstood my earlier words without that explanation re "context" ;)
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 23:48:02 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 07:14:54AM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 21:03:49 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
By all means feel free to continue to abide immoral, unjust, unconstitutional and downright evil man made laws.
and you of course and yet another infinite clown. A trumpofascist calling for military dictatorship.
For a geographically limited, restricted purpose, time limited, morally righteous, benevolent military dictatorship, in the USA, yes. And I shall continue to so advocate to the extent it seems wise/ apropos to circumstances.
you can 'clarify' all you want and I'd ocassionally comment that you advocate military dictatorship and that's impossible for your position to be more opposed to whatever 'libertarian' 'principles', 'cypherpunks' pretend to favor. also, I got a new word : cypherfascist.
(Quite analogous to Crimea's secession/re-unification referendum.)
Context is of course everything, as you've been reminding us well ("conflict may arise when the righteous man defends himself" - you've shared other such fundamental, and fundamentally good, principles).
By the way, thank you for having such temperance and patience to ask me that graceful question - others may also have misunderstood my earlier words without that explanation re "context" ;)
lawl, as if 'context' was hidden in any way. We all know what is posted to the list and there is a public archive.
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 04:28:26PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 23:48:02 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 07:14:54AM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 21:03:49 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
By all means feel free to continue to abide immoral, unjust, unconstitutional and downright evil man made laws.
and you of course and yet another infinite clown. A trumpofascist calling for military dictatorship.
For a geographically limited, restricted purpose, time limited, morally righteous, benevolent military dictatorship, in the USA, yes. And I shall continue to so advocate to the extent it seems wise/ apropos to circumstances.
you can 'clarify' all you want and I'd ocassionally comment that you advocate military dictatorship and that's impossible for your position to be more opposed to whatever 'libertarian' 'principles', 'cypherpunks' pretend to favor.
also, I got a new word : cypherfascist.
(Quite analogous to Crimea's secession/re-unification referendum.)
Context is of course everything, as you've been reminding us well ("conflict may arise when the righteous man defends himself" - you've shared other such fundamental, and fundamentally good, principles).
By the way, thank you for having such temperance and patience to ask me that graceful question - others may also have misunderstood my earlier words without that explanation re "context" ;)
lawl, as if 'context' was hidden in any way. We all know what is posted to the list and there is a public archive.
It's odd that you think voting is fascist. Perhaps it is... but at the moment it's one of things we got, along with protesting and praying.
On 1/6/21 04:03, our Bible thumper wrote:
Yes Shawn, "the statute law must come before our conscience". And you call yourself an anarchist? Libertarian perhaps? Constitutionalist?
By all means feel free to continue to abide immoral, unjust, unconstitutional and downright evil man made laws.
Our laws aren't perfect, in fact some of them are damned tedious and odious. But many of "God's laws" honestly make the laws in the US and many states look like a libertarian paradise. (BTW, I'm a secular humanist. I realized long ago religion does zilch for me.) -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 06:52:53PM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
On 1/6/21 04:03, our Bible thumper wrote:
Yes Shawn, "the statute law must come before our conscience". And you call yourself an anarchist? Libertarian perhaps? Constitutionalist?
By all means feel free to continue to abide immoral, unjust, unconstitutional and downright evil man made laws.
Our laws aren't perfect, in fact some of them are damned tedious and odious. But many of "God's laws" honestly make the laws in the US and many states look like a libertarian paradise.
(BTW, I'm a secular humanist. I realized long ago religion does zilch for me.)
Fail to see connections in your own interest? Odd...
Well, events and proceedings may well dictate certain timelines and sequences. Just remember we country bunkins down under the world gotto hella problem down here too. We may have the laws on the books already, immunity for foreign occupying 'security keeping' persons, defence personnel... Defence Legislation Amendment (Enhancement of Defence Force Response to Emergencies) Bill 2020 https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/bd/bd2021a/2... Defence law change won’t give foreign forces ‘complete’ immunity in Australia https://www.aap.com.au/defence-law-change-wont-give-foreign-forces-complete-... …According to the Defence Assistance to the Civil Community Manual (see AL3, chapter 3), the Commonwealth government can already call on the ADF and foreign personnel to help in emergencies when “immediate action is necessary to save human life or alleviate suffering, prevent extensive loss of animal life, prevent widespread loss/damage to property or to prevent environmental damage, and when State/Territory resources are inadequate”. Defence Legislation Amendment (Enhancement of Defence Force Response to Emergencies) Bill 2020 https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search... Status Assent ... Morrison paves the way for military personnel on our streets https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2020/10/30/new-bill-expands-military-deployme... Defence Legislation Amendment (Enhancement of Defence Force Response to Emergencies) Bill 2020 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2020B00123/Amends
Petition of United States of America Elector(s) and others, to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law, and to Arrest and Charge Traitors, and to Command the Military to Conduct a Re-Election in Certain States
You don't want to do this. For one, it won't really work. If your democracy is so diseased that the only way to get it functional is to take control of the People, you have a SOCIETAL PROBLEM, not a legal one. Of course, the warning signs for that were long ago. Try the 80s, when kids committed suicde, and then the 90s where it escalated into stories of kids killing kids in school. Do we need more law here? No. What you need here, after waving away any concerns of insanity when you can't even tell what's true or false, is Dr. Mark Janssen, aka "The Doctor", "ThePastor", "Capt. Dynamite". I feel like I'm in Ghostbusters. Cheers, Dr. Mark Janssen-Rosenblitt Gothenburg, Nebraska
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 04:47:46PM -0600, \0xDynamite wrote:
Petition of United States of America Elector(s) and others, to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law, and to Arrest and Charge Traitors, and to Command the Military to Conduct a Re-Election in Certain States
You don't want to do this. For one, it won't really work. If your democracy is so diseased that the only way to get it functional is to take control of the People,
The people in general are fine, but there are -certain- people in power curretly, who have stolen an election and are resisting attempts to audit and bring some transparency and accountability. If the courts are also corrupt, and or sufficietly intimidated, our options are starting to run out.
you have a SOCIETAL PROBLEM, not a legal one.
I consider we have both - societal and legal system problems.
Of course, the warning signs for that were long ago. Try the 80s, when kids committed suicde, and then the 90s where it escalated into stories of kids killing kids in school.
Do we need more law here?
Martial law is actually about, in a way, less law - it is the suspension of due process, replaced with military/marshall process, for a hopefully short period of time. If is exercised by a benevolent dictator such as Donald Trump, then it shall be a useful tool for cleaning up. It may turn out to be the only tool. We shall see...
No. What you need here, after waving away any concerns of insanity when you can't even tell what's true or false, is Dr. Mark Janssen, aka "The Doctor", "ThePastor", "Capt. Dynamite".
I feel like I'm in Ghostbusters.
:D
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:10:53AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 04:47:46PM -0600, \0xDynamite wrote:
Petition of United States of America Elector(s) and others, to President Donald Trump to Declare Martial Law, and to Arrest and Charge Traitors, and to Command the Military to Conduct a Re-Election in Certain States
You don't want to do this. For one, it won't really work. If your democracy is so diseased that the only way to get it functional is to take control of the People,
The people in general are fine, but there are -certain- people in power curretly, who have stolen an election and are resisting attempts to audit and bring some transparency and accountability.
If the courts are also corrupt, and or sufficietly intimidated, our options are starting to run out.
you have a SOCIETAL PROBLEM, not a legal one.
I consider we have both - societal and legal system problems.
Of course, the warning signs for that were long ago. Try the 80s, when kids committed suicde, and then the 90s where it escalated into stories of kids killing kids in school.
Do we need more law here?
Martial law is actually about, in a way, less law - it is the suspension of due process, replaced with military/marshall process, for a hopefully short period of time.
If is exercised by a benevolent dictator such as Donald Trump, then it shall be a useful tool for cleaning up.
It may turn out to be the only tool. We shall see...
Given we now appear to have a number of Republicans in both the federal house and senate in the US causing a house and senate vote re the election (where Trump shall be elected - remember, one state one vote on this rare vote), we may afterwards see ANTIFA rise up again to attempt to defend Soros' interests: THE PLAN: AMERICA THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC https://projectcamelotportal.com/2020/12/18/the-plan-america-the-constitutio... If that happens, martial law may be the only practical way to handle the violence that follows, as these loonie "liberals" have been set up by the MSM to believe they won, and so they're in for a mutha of a fall of ego... We should also remember that 'the establishment' in the US has for decades been building the power vested in the presidency. Why were they so confident to vest so much executive power in the precidency? Could it be that they were consummately confident that the president would always be a man owned by the deep state, through blackmail, financial compromise or otherwise? Bushes, Clintons, Obombo and the rest - two sides of the same coin, decade after decade. Then Trump appeared. He had "no chance of even getting the nomination". He was "a clown". All who supported him were priviledged deplorable peasant scum. And we proudly wear these labels to this day! And Trump against all odds, won. And the deep state has continued to fight and proclaim the "illegitimacy" of Trump with "Russia Russia Russia collusion" echoing again in the MSM even in just the last few days. Trump. He's our goy. The Angel's trumpet has blown.
No. What you need here, after waving away any concerns of insanity when you can't even tell what's true or false, is Dr. Mark Janssen, aka "The Doctor", "ThePastor", "Capt. Dynamite".
I feel like I'm in Ghostbusters.
:D
On 12/19/20 05:31, some guy from Australia wrote:
Hi folks, if you have a few minutes, please review this proposed petition to Trump.
It also needs a destination for each "signee" to send their copy to - perhaps this is somewhere at WhiteHouse.gov ?
What standing does someone from Australia have regarding martial law in the United States of America, and what is the legal basis for such standing if any? My hunch is "none" and "not applicable" but I'd like to hear the other side. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 07:46:05PM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
On 12/19/20 05:31, some guy from Australia wrote:
Hi folks, if you have a few minutes, please review this proposed petition to Trump.
It also needs a destination for each "signee" to send their copy to - perhaps this is somewhere at WhiteHouse.gov ?
What standing does someone from Australia have regarding martial law in the United States of America, and what is the legal basis for such standing if any?
My hunch is "none" and "not applicable" but I'd like to hear the other side.
The legal standing of an individual non-US citizen to call on the US president to declare martial law is small, but not none, and not negligible. In the present circumstances, the policies of Trump vs Biden, may have a great impact on the maintenance, or collapse, of the US dollar. The reason our interest is not none, is that the outcome of the US presidency affects most of us 'non-US citizens' due to the US dollar presently still being the reserve currency for most countries in the world, certainly including Australia. If the Biden socialists/communists prevail, this may precipitate an exodus from the US dollar and its fall from power ("reserve currency of the world"). And if THAT happens, it may well take down the Aussie dollar with it. This is a part of our --interest-- as Australians in our system of government and fiat money, which since Bretton Woods has been intimately entwined with the US dollar, for good and for bad. So we individually and collectively (as Aussies) have this interest in the presidency of the US, and any policies which may lead to a collapse of the US dollar's standing in the world (remember Putin re the US actually starting to use (rather than merely threaten to use) dollar sanctions against Russia, China etc: "the West has made a colossal mistake"). Legal standing, is inherent in "interest". Interest may be financial, or may be some other interest. Such "shared interest" gives rise to the standing needed for any call for a global government, one world military etc. Different groups of people (family, city, state, nation, world) have specific and different shared interests, and corresponding inherent standing. Inherent standing is "in principle". Legal standing is a "realized" portion of inherent standing, and sometimes is purely a fiction, e.g. when standing is afforded by a court to a fictitious entity such as a statutory company. In direct communication with the POTUS, an individual exercises his original jurisdiction to so communicate. When we see e.g. a few million non-US citizens calling for Trump to declare martial law, he may or may not accord us any standing, from his point of view, but whether or not he does is almost irrelevant to the purpose of this petition, which is for individuals to exercise their original jurisdiction and so manifest their corresponding will in regards to this petition, and thus manifest a shared will, a shared intention -with- president Trump, the primary hoped-for effect being the reduction of Trump being a target for any revenge for such an act, that is to reduce the likelihood that Trump gets JFK'ed.
From that perspective, we all have standing to communicate, at least to the extent that our intended recipient of our communication is willing to receive our communication.
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:46:05 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
What standing does someone from Australia have regarding martial law in the United States of America, and what is the legal basis for such standing if any?
what's the legal basis for US pieces of non-human shit, that is your government and supporters(you), to invade, rape, loot, kidnap, murder tens of millions* in the whole world, quinn? *incomplete list of crimes against humanity commited by US goct and supporters(you).
My hunch is "none" and "not applicable" but I'd like to hear the other side.
You just did. The US is the biggest 'rogue state' on the planet. As to this particular 'call' from a random trumpofascist for military dictorship, it is idiotic but well 'aligned' with the nature of your wholly criminal political system.
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:46:05 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
What standing does someone from Australia have regarding martial law in the United States of America, and what is the legal basis for such standing if any?
My hunch is "none" and "not applicable" but I'd like to hear the other side.
What standing did the innocent in COLLATERAL MURDER have? What standing are you going to have when the guns from any Government in world, come to murder YOU and yours, socialize your business, steal your property [1], etc? The answer is "none" [2], unless you stop the steal, drain the swamp, and move to say voluntary societies and charity culture, before history of the world repeats in and or to your shithole. [1] Out of the $27T in debt they created, they have assigned $160k to you (aka: slave). They are bankrupt like Cyprus and will be coming to get it soon, plus the $6k more they just stole from you and wasted this week... https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pork-city-here-are-most-ridiculous-pet-p... [2] Not least due to the cancel culture trying to cancel the US Constitution 2nd Amendment and confiscate your defenses so that you have no way to stop it, or them over you, as is their intent.
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