On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:39:39AM +0200, rysiek wrote:

Dnia sobota, 19 kwietnia 2014 18:25:08 Cypher pisze:

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On 04/19/2014 08:45 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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The question is:

=== Does a society of sheep deserve a government of wolves?

If we, who know better, don't help the sheep raise out of their bondage then we become the wolves.

Or get killed by the wolves, so that we can't help the sheep anymore.

-- Pozdr rysiek

Happy Easter. In Bulgarian: Христос Возкресе!

Dnia niedziela, 20 kwietnia 2014 09:12:36 Cypher pisze:

On 04/20/2014 03:39 AM, rysiek wrote:

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Dnia sobota, 19 kwietnia 2014 18:25:08 Cypher pisze:

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On 04/19/2014 08:45 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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The question is:

=== Does a society of sheep deserve a government of wolves?

If we, who know better, don't help the sheep raise out of their bondage then we become the wolves.

Or get killed by the wolves, so that we can't help the sheep anymore.

That is a better fate than joining the feeding frenzy.

Still, I think we can put up a fight and try to do something about the wolves. -- Pozdr rysiek

On 4/20/14, 10:58 PM, Luther Blissett wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:38:08 +0200 rysiek wrote:

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Dnia niedziela, 20 kwietnia 2014 09:12:36 Cypher pisze:

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On 04/20/2014 03:39 AM, rysiek wrote:

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Dnia sobota, 19 kwietnia 2014 18:25:08 Cypher pisze:

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On 04/19/2014 08:45 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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The question is:

=== Does a society of sheep deserve a government of wolves? If we, who know better, don't help the sheep raise out of their bondage then we become the wolves. Or get killed by the wolves, so that we can't help the sheep anymore. That is a better fate than joining the feeding frenzy. Still, I think we can put up a fight and try to do something about the wolves.

We sure can do something, but there maybe some terribly failed attempts before we put some fire in the middle of the pack.

1) Be the enlightened humanist humans holding the wolves at bay. It's great we can generate the most badass attack / defense military and police, but they have to have boundaries and limits. Compared to various historical precedents, they are effective and aren't terrible overall, but they do not live up to the ideals that are appropriate now. 2) Uplift the sheep. The elites are failing the sheep, which isn't good for anyone. We've left it to those who have the responsibility, but many of them are sheep too: shallow functionaries happy enough with the status quo and too scared to fail worse to tinker. Elites (of a certain range: educated, makers, hackers, thinkers, freethinkers) have the power to change the world. That includes some who are now considered with the wolves in various senses. A few smart people changed civil rights, etc. Don't assume that everyone who is part of the system agrees with it. People are far more pragmatic than that. Which generally includes not breaking laws, but can include transparency, dialog, and moving toward improvement. The greater population have the power to swarm the wolves in various ways, if only they were knowledgeable, motivated, enabled, and led. Some progress has been made, and there are plenty of chinks visible now. The trick is informing, directing, and/or leading that potential energy through a transformative path that is not more destructive than what you're trying to cure. Sometimes it means letting groups make fools of themselves long enough for everyone to get tired and aware enough to shun them for long periods after. The end result of the "moral majority" minority and religious / public power grab and related surge for social freedom/sexual oppression was: free and open porn, negating of nearly all sexual blue laws, momentum for same-sex civil rights, nearly complete change of attitudes, dissipation of religion-in-government and general defeat of religious fundamentalists, an educated liberal probably-atheist black president, etc. They spent money and time defeating themselves, permanently, and they don't even know why it happened. Sociopolitical judo. On the other hand, for a long time Rove et al were frequently successful reframing things with clever rebranding of terms: "death taxes" etc. What is the equivalent for the things you care about? What are the key embarrassing and enlightening missteps that would clarify the problem and solution for your average sheeple. If it could be proved that some agency knew about and used Heartbleed while knowingly exposing all of the worlds people and companies to compromise due to hoarding key information and inaction, that might qualify. sdw

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

I'm glad someone finally called this thread what it is. On 24/04/14 07:43, Stephan Neuhaus wrote:

On 2014-04-24, 00:28, grarpamp wrote:

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Does a society of sheep deserve a government of wolves?

Evolution might say that both sheep and wolf share some common ancestor. One diverged docile, or even without that gene theory, sheep are still eaten because they fail to fight back. Do not be dog food, cast off your warm fuzzy wools and become fighters in the ring.

Or, to put it more succinctly:

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

Fun,

Stephan

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