So pissed off with all the crap on this plane. Everyone wants to spin some story about how it implicates their favourite enemy. The "Intelligence Community" are suggesting it's hackers, so they can use it as a pearl harbour to attack the hacker community, and the media are sucking it up. I've seen two separate accounts from Pilots who present the view that, based on prior examples and their own training and experience, everything about the flight's flightpath, instrumentation failure, radio-darkness and disappearance is consistent with an onboard fire. Once suggested underinflated landing gear on long takeoff under hot/humid conditions could create blowout/smoulder conditions for frontal landing gear, which would smoke out the plane. In prior cases where this happens, a fire in landing gear can destroy a plane in ~5m, destroying control instrumentation. But first, procedures for firefighting demand nonessential instruments *including radio* are disabled while the fault and fire location are determined. Again in prior cases, the plane will (with an experienced pilot) immediately divert path to the nearest, not the "best", airport, which is what this did. And again as in prior cases, it may eventually fail to arrive as the crew succumb to smoke (oxygen masks not an option in case of fires) and the plane will fly "dark" on autopilot until ditching in the ocean. That all the Pilots are saying "Probably Fire" and nobody's listening, in favour of all sorts of bizarre and unlikely conspiracies, says a lot about our maturity and our level of openness to fearmongering. On 18/03/14 14:45, Robert Hettinga wrote:

On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:

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Diego Garcia

Fuck tinfoil.

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Dnia wtorek, 18 marca 2014 11:45:36 Steve Furlong pisze:

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Cathal Garvey <

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That all the Pilots are saying "Probably Fire" and nobody's listening, in favour of all sorts of bizarre and unlikely conspiracies, says a lot about our maturity and our level of openness to fearmongering.

But... but... Nukes!

It's for the chiiiiildren!

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..not the most paranoid. Snowden's docs are not yet believed to contain Lizard People..which is SUSPICIOUS On 18 March 2014 17:33:23 GMT, The Doctor wrote:

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That all the Pilots are saying "Probably Fire" and nobody's listening,

<sigh>

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in favour of all sorts of bizarre and unlikely conspiracies, says a lot about our maturity and our level of openness to fearmongering.

To be fair, we also live in a time in which the most paranoid rantings were found to pale in comparison to what is really going on thanks to Snowden.

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One account I read held that telemetry is initially disabled, then re-enabled sequentially while the cause is narrowed down. But that the priorities are so urgent (you have about 3 minutes to live) that actually using the communications equipment is not an option; the pilot must immediately land while trying to narrow the problem, full-stop. The scenario plays out in other cases that didn't go well that the crew ultimately succumb to smoke/monoxide inhalation and simply pass out, leaving the plane continuing on autopilot, *and pinging quietly*, until it ditches. That was the scenario I read, at least. All the other scenarios seem equally unlikely in the first place, but also unlikely to be so clean and tidy. Hackers hack the instruments? Great! How many flight-school trained hackers can successfully pilot a plane from the in-flight entertainment system? In fact, how many hackers of that calibre, full-stop, have any experience flying planes? That's your suspect group. Where are they, then? Government or state-sponsored hijackers? Then why such a confusing job? Why so silent yet also suspicious? And why instantly turn to the nearest airport, whereas hijackers would take a more circuitous route? Want to just crash a plane because you're a fairy-tale terrorist? Then why the silence, and no terror-inspiring speeches claiming credit, and why disable radio communications on the plane? You want terror, right mister stereotyped extremely-unlikely-person? To me this has all the hallmarks of an unfortunate accident, and after reading the pilots' fire explanations, both of which referenced real-world examples, I'm pretty happy to agree with the experts in aviation over the Intel wonks looking for Cyber Pearl Harbour or the media fools looking for an amazing scoop. On 18/03/14 22:27, Juan Garofalo wrote:

--On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:21 PM +0000 Cathal Garvey wrote:

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That all the Pilots are saying "Probably Fire" and nobody's listening, in favour of all sorts of bizarre and unlikely conspiracies, says a lot about our maturity and our level of openness to fearmongering.

Is the 'probably fire' theory compatible with this?

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/16/mh370-x-factors-continue-...

" there were regular stand-by pings from the airliner's otherwise disabled ACARS automated performance update system, between 1.07 am KL time on 8 March when that system stopped filing data, and that last known ping at 8.11 the same morning"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350.ht...

"The automatic pings, or attempts to link up with satellites operated by Inmarsat PLC, occurred a number of times after Flight 370's last verified position, the people briefed on the situation said, indicating that at least through those five hours, the Boeing Co. BA -1.10% 777 carrying 239 people remained intact and hadn't been destroyed in a crash, act of sabotage or explosion."

etc?

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On 18/03/14 14:45, Robert Hettinga wrote:

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On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:

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Diego Garcia

Fuck tinfoil.

Cypherpunks use graphene.

Cheers, RAH ;-)

Curiouser and curiouser, innit?

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Message du 19/03/14 02:38 De : "coderman" part of me wonders if airtrans tampering is like cutting transoceanic fibers - a nuclear option no sane actor considers. (the CIA was crazy on LSD, power, coke, and testosterone during their early fatal flight fuckery days in commie theaters [read: legally insane])

In 2006, the entire South America got cut from the internet for three days because the only oceanic cable reaching down there at that time was "accidentally" cut, Murrikans rushed there to "fix" it ... later on we discovered that it was not cut by accident and South American governments had spread cables to Africa and New Zealand that didn't cope with the demand. Now they are completing the job by extending cables to Europe. Yes, some countries do cut oceanic cables for spying, it was done in the past, it can be done today.

2014-03-19 4:25 GMT+01:00 coderman :

(to be fair, it is one thing to fuck-up a splice on a cable and cause an outage, and quite another to deploy le trawlers and tear shit up en masse...)

It's yet another to deploy le trawlers to pretend to tear shit up en masse whilst in fact you just fucked up your splice! Or worse: to deploy le trawlers WHILE you're splicing the cable elsewhere, so it will definitely be legitly cut and fixed somewhere and you get some retries if you messed up.

Well, it seems obvious to me that they flew to high and accidentally escaped gravity. I think it's extra likely with Bitcoin wanting to go to the moon all the time, and there is a lot of MtGox Bitcoins that aren't "gone, just temporarily unavailable at the moment". This explains everything perfectly for me. I'm sure the passengers will be very happy to have gone so far with such cheap tickets. Next up: Litecoin to the moon.

--On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:48 AM +0100 rysiek wrote:

Dnia środa, 19 marca 2014 04:10:03 Lodewijk andré de la porte pisze:

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Well, it seems obvious to me that they flew to high and accidentally escaped gravity.

Well, close, but no bone. They *did* fly too high, but that got them too close to the sun, and shit just started to melt.

That's why wings made out of wax should be banned.

There was a tructural failure of wings, and the whole thing went down lie a rock.

-- Pozdr rysiek

--On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:09 AM +0000 Cathal Garvey wrote:

One account I read held that telemetry is initially disabled, then re-enabled sequentially while the cause is narrowed down. But that the priorities are so urgent (you have about 3 minutes to live) that actually using the communications equipment is not an option; the pilot must immediately land while trying to narrow the problem, full-stop.

The scenario plays out in other cases that didn't go well that the crew ultimately succumb to smoke/monoxide inhalation and simply pass out, leaving the plane continuing on autopilot, *and pinging quietly*, until it ditches.

So the fire was big enough to poison the biological systems aboard the plane, but not big enough to cause any substantial damage to the mechanical systems - I guess that's a possibility. For what it's worth, I don't subscribe to any particular theory, and I'm not inclined to believe in terrists either. (Well, except for the big terrorist organizations known as 'governments')

That was the scenario I read, at least. All the other scenarios seem equally unlikely in the first place, but also unlikely to be so clean and tidy. Hackers hack the instruments? Great! How many flight-school trained hackers can successfully pilot a plane from the in-flight entertainment system? In fact, how many hackers of that calibre, full-stop, have any experience flying planes? That's your suspect group. Where are they, then?

Government or state-sponsored hijackers? Then why such a confusing job? Why so silent yet also suspicious? And why instantly turn to the nearest airport, whereas hijackers would take a more circuitous route?

Want to just crash a plane because you're a fairy-tale terrorist? Then why the silence, and no terror-inspiring speeches claiming credit, and why disable radio communications on the plane? You want terror, right mister stereotyped extremely-unlikely-person?

To me this has all the hallmarks of an unfortunate accident, and after reading the pilots' fire explanations, both of which referenced real-world examples, I'm pretty happy to agree with the experts in aviation over the Intel wonks looking for Cyber Pearl Harbour or the media fools looking for an amazing scoop.

On 18/03/14 22:27, Juan Garofalo wrote:

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--On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:21 PM +0000 Cathal Garvey wrote:

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That all the Pilots are saying "Probably Fire" and nobody's listening, in favour of all sorts of bizarre and unlikely conspiracies, says a lot about our maturity and our level of openness to fearmongering.

Is the 'probably fire' theory compatible with this?

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/16/mh370-x-factors-cont inue-to-baffle-airline-insiders/

" there were regular stand-by pings from the airliner's otherwise disabled ACARS automated performance update system, between 1.07 am KL time on 8 March when that system stopped filing data, and that last known ping at 8.11 the same morning"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527023041851045794375733965803 50.html

"The automatic pings, or attempts to link up with satellites operated by Inmarsat PLC, occurred a number of times after Flight 370's last verified position, the people briefed on the situation said, indicating that at least through those five hours, the Boeing Co. BA -1.10% 777 carrying 239 people remained intact and hadn't been destroyed in a crash, act of sabotage or explosion."

etc?

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On 18/03/14 14:45, Robert Hettinga wrote:

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On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:

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Diego Garcia

Fuck tinfoil.

Cypherpunks use graphene.

Cheers, RAH ;-)

Curiouser and curiouser, innit?

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