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Tribler - anonymous downloading

Александр

28 Jun 2015 28 Jun '15

4:28 p.m.

https://www.tribler.org/ https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/releases

"Tribler - Privacy using our Tor-inspired onion routing. Tribler offers anonymous downloading. Bittorrent is fast, but has no privacy. We do NOT use the normal Tor network, but created a dedicated Tor-like onion routing network exclusively for torrent downloading. Tribler follows the Tor wire protocol specification and hidden services spec quite closely, but is enhanced to need no central (directory) server"

This looks very nice. And they are constantly improving.

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Cathal (Phone)

28 Jun 28 Jun

5:15 p.m.

I used to toy with this for a while after the "onion like routing layer" appeared, then read a little about the implementation and uninstalled it immediately and permanently. On 28 June 2015 17:28:13 GMT+01:00, " Александр " wrote:

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https://www.tribler.org/ https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/releases

"Tribler - Privacy using our Tor-inspired onion routing. Tribler offers anonymous downloading. Bittorrent is fast, but has no privacy. We do NOT use the normal Tor network, but created a

dedicated

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Tor-like onion routing network exclusively for torrent downloading. Tribler follows the Tor wire protocol specification and hidden services spec quite closely, but is enhanced to need no central (directory) server"

This looks very nice. And they are constantly improving.

-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

rysiek

5:31 p.m.

Dnia niedziela, 28 czerwca 2015 18:15:38 Cathal pisze:

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I used to toy with this for a while after the "onion like routing layer" appeared, then read a little about the implementation and uninstalled it immediately and permanently.

Care to indicate particular reasons of this decision?.. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147

Yush Bhardwaj

6:51 p.m.

What you had read ? *Yush Bhardwaj* On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Cathal (Phone) < cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:

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I used to toy with this for a while after the "onion like routing layer" appeared, then read a little about the implementation and uninstalled it immediately and permanently.

On 28 June 2015 17:28:13 GMT+01:00, " Александр " wrote:

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https://www.tribler.org/

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https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/releases

"Tribler - Privacy using our Tor-inspired onion routing. Tribler offers anonymous downloading. Bittorrent is fast, but has no privacy. We do NOT use the normal Tor network, but created a dedicated Tor-like onion routing network exclusively for torrent downloading. Tribler follows the Tor wire protocol specification and hidden services spec quite closely, but is enhanced to need no central (directory) server"

This looks very nice. And they are constantly improving.

-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Seth

6:55 p.m.

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:15:38 -0700, Cathal (Phone) wrote:

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I used to toy with this for a while after the "onion like routing layer" appeared, then read a little about the implementation and uninstalled it immediately and permanently.

Same here. Another rather unsavory aspect of the software I discovered after about a week of running it, was that by default, your computer is an exit node. [1] (this may have since changed) This meant that people abusing the Tribler service to share child porn/whatever could spew the filth through any number of unsuspecting Tribler users Internet connections and with most of them being none the wiser until their door got kicked in. This is an unacceptable mega-blunder in my book and was enough for me to uninstall the app and never look back. [1] https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/issues/1174

nerv

7:33 p.m.

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 11:55:02 -0700 Seth wrote:

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On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:15:38 -0700, Cathal (Phone) wrote:

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I used to toy with this for a while after the "onion like routing layer" appeared, then read a little about the implementation and uninstalled it immediately and permanently.

Same here.

Another rather unsavory aspect of the software I discovered after about a week of running it, was that by default, your computer is an exit node. [1] (this may have since changed)

This meant that people abusing the Tribler service to share child porn/whatever could spew the filth through any number of unsuspecting Tribler users Internet connections and with most of them being none the wiser until their door got kicked in.

This is an unacceptable mega-blunder in my book and was enough for me to uninstall the app and never look back.

[1] https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/issues/1174

This sound a bit like the model in Freenet. You get some encrypted traffic and only forward it to another host, so I'm guessing they had plausible deniability in mind. Their website clearly states that the project is not secure and should not be used for "controversial" content however, so I'm not really sure how much abuse could happen, seems to me like someone with something to hide would have others and better options. -- Goto Daichi (nerv) -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2 mQENBFVl0RcBCADHL0fGKZ/4MAciOo9GqKnCz6f9qu1Q+1gOSu7anHTEALePUXrI VFXdYfcB9D91mfYhSPdI6Wf4f3YNqJJozIaGo1p7g7Oo0j2n8KR/xgxtGLSqkyc7 I4Pkhg0SCa5pm2ty9cyfrUWrRwgopEj4bJlR2L0HHhTQBoVo9h30XtWeLPwwg+O1 vUGDgiLniHKBwna5jMp0I/bZxuM9ztxWXEmiEkqIh65dT6mcjJx2visSDAZGB033 pU/EQFTxyavFOlypZG+WCGo8VNJkzEf6cHMVKJsi6aBi8ewGiw0SuYfYSY9Fed8I rLq0990FfB2NT26BRmJM+6Svs8+fJe3o+YNnABEBAAG0JUdvdG8gRGFpY2hpIChu ZXJ2KSA8bmVydkBmYXN0bWFpbC5mbT6JATgEEwECACIFAlVl0RcCGwMGCwkIBwMC BhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEIH6UEN73OdVe+sH/i5I5C1A8EzvK3wuetsK 8mPAiTFdw+x1tYrvS2A/eYAjKP1wfx9csB+Q9n94HFv7FtP5IbceZ5BdMtjagBa3 uWmHA/Pf5zoE3MaTSeY16mBEr141bTWzIdWofLgi0IrKPch8onEnTdd2hBWvJTPU F8Zb176trSEpYEACo+6QUppFUmXDGhvVzAfOMJZU8mjfQvf5haamcYTeOifG0riW vXjSDJJCFuMtj5uTRES9bRxKsyL2zW9B+DW9es4YIJ2zCgnSajoBGQu+kjrWzZG9 qlz5L0SbgQ4cRy4BT9o9AToK5Rs1eixEvHIten2agC7yMUbhGMyXYNRk+3NSJcJb Zfi5AQ0EVWXRFwEIANwbm4X50uUHDYgT038WI8LfEd8Gh0UABAxRjn4AlpuaXJKL mVY24iRTEHdspuBP12e11E9FiYO6/As7XSBIH/ZUFogffQGPh3Dyr4r9mBPBp+qR NDy5tP5g6qbAYtJnDznaEldjsrF4FzrFcS3/9oCjOX3in98qYh+PS6DU3+emUn7V P7socUmxgckidhvaWkAj6dsmZbg4kkWhGvarzCbehCZxKGgtfRfyTWeQfTYbSrSD sxYZRb6lMBcVlY1Us6Uanw+au9vJPnS3nbZQJDhfJ/utTmaBpyIn6+4f4Ku049qp YntER2RJiX+bHhVNa8IR5E4946pxZfBt6dY5Fo8AEQEAAYkBHgQYAQIACQUCVWXR FwIbDAAKCRCB+lBDe9znVcxyB/iEiBpDbN8siHNCfJlFL98Au/GV9fE7H8IgCZ6o rKKEjWEPML+FhlAYfbVlVnqSnmoLFloSYqhDymY+4S0IS/QcMnY2u017Rb1AIbF1 5BYzK1cTGDbeLObeJaIVr+DHEl+goPL9YgHg/X3WmFrO7nGP3Fv/n+VFn+S4zGE0 1yGFU9vdNGZkC7ddlDhGvophLJHHxfGSiGnjXKq9vR+xq2yyH0EZqLlCEprMmTo1 X+EpRNLZA4p5oee5RI/t6zk92DElTLuDqbPTnQNQd9tVwPeNQXsgWR+SPYD7vLQI hez47/0guyHoHwMDjkiXq4uwgGT0YdZ8lDoT2Z8BiApLMRI= =t27C -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

Steve Kinney

10:06 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2015 03:33 PM, nerv wrote:

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On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 11:55:02 -0700 Seth wrote:

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Their website clearly states that the project is not secure and should not be used for "controversial" content however, so I'm not really sure how much abuse could happen, seems to me like someone with something to hide would have others and better options.

I would expect users whose "controversial" content is of a politically controversial nature would tend to drop this tool on learning of its potential failure modes, while those whose "controversial" activities are of a straight up criminal nature would be much less likely to learn about, or care about, those failure modes. The dirtier the deed, the more irrational hence compelling the motivation for it. :o/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVkG/rAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0L5T0QAK/RUPWImvYVWqpDVgUXIouY g8PQ6aH8YYYBWvr76zmNjnmlNSXQOrGQyVaxSr5CbJatDRbjmVX4Dl5Jnt5qgiN/ BotsHRbKr0v7IncdEyMqiQY/mlfoRMbCjPIQr7IWP+tksndu8cEiOr3o17ozpLDC Z8V1ri637KgbiZaTdCAowy1XuHLamf/+YZXkV11uhEhHGMZ13DLfRJWOwLaqFo6a a1RnS7qseQAfe28x2lcffgZRKwWz3Y8j+RGtfBvTjMlyQVnUjarHL71dRluOqEJk 2QkjuyrH712s6IP1eUG+dsTIYIQSbo+G6f8tkiPSvTG5Toxt4oqId6lzMKVQhs9y a7G9Ksm+RJGcc/e0WBAq8nG5C0tkVUcvjaYfFpQgviTQY7USlW1d5A/aedFH0S2K 2Y8F39hxuLTmyezl7GO6DypfCv4dCUM821KWnhcsW7y54Teae07C+X20XEOrp5rM qxUnzD2mnFcKDB+vuJE3cbfyLwnj4rzLfx0TUElsusQ/2AG2J6BcJWLMJ+0LeW2n TPeaimKV44DPu9FdEpzjd5q39jox9XOsbwK28kxh6rRLpf8NP/4sytL/5t1Or2+a tUaNIoFvVMQNKj3LJEmjOnBjrOX4Kqcu5xm2HzBL7bWmwqWJjCxjWwAGtgebIK9y 4EZHRwPpQ56Xd0gj6Rvc =SEAB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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