Russia's "eye-watering" military toys
http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/16/do-we-really-want-a-new-world-war-with-rus... Enjoyable read. Reminds me of that immortal line in the Putin documentary where the Russian navy chief points at a radar screen saying something like 'look at that, I've never seen [a destroyer class battleship] do this figure-8 move before' as the USS Donald Cook first enters then hightails out of Crimean waters. International military sparring at its best :) Z
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 06:21:07 +0000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/16/do-we-really-want-a-new-world-war-with-rus...
I couldn't find any 'serious' source for the claim that the russians jammed that aegis thing. On the other hand I wouldn't be too surprised if those anti-missile missiles didn't work as advertised. On a related note, I see that the japanese are 'partners' or forcibibly buy that kind of stuff. I assume that any weapon that americunts sell is fully backdoored so I kinda wonder what kind of retard can buy stuff from them...Well, the japanese and many other seem to be just that kind of retard.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:16:15PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 06:21:07 +0000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/16/do-we-really-want-a-new-world-war-with-rus...
I couldn't find any 'serious' source for the claim that the russians jammed that aegis thing. On the other hand I wouldn't be too surprised if those anti-missile missiles didn't work as advertised.
On a related note, I see that the japanese are 'partners' or forcibibly buy that kind of stuff. I assume that any weapon that americunts sell is fully backdoored so I kinda wonder what kind of retard can buy stuff from them...Well, the japanese and many other seem to be just that kind of retard.
You said it above, Japanese 'partners' "forcibly" buy that kind of stuff. The twin terrorist attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the occupation of Japan by America to this day, (and presumably certain "behind closed doors" written agreements the Japanese may still be bound by), leads of course to that which appears undignified/ retarded. On the other hand, when Russia is your ally, and a substantial part of your budget goes to Russian military hardware, you would surely -want- to have your missile defence and offense systems hooked in with your ally's systems, as a force multiplier - "mesh networked radars" comes to mind. <I know, I know, stating the obvious dept.>
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 11:12:40 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:16:15PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 06:21:07 +0000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/16/do-we-really-want-a-new-world-war-with-rus...
I couldn't find any 'serious' source for the claim that the russians jammed that aegis thing. On the other hand I wouldn't be too surprised if those anti-missile missiles didn't work as advertised.
On a related note, I see that the japanese are 'partners' or forcibibly buy that kind of stuff. I assume that any weapon that americunts sell is fully backdoored so I kinda wonder what kind of retard can buy stuff from them...Well, the japanese and many other seem to be just that kind of retard.
You said it above, Japanese 'partners' "forcibly" buy that kind of stuff.
The twin terrorist attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the occupation of Japan by America to this day, (and presumably certain "behind closed doors" written agreements the Japanese may still be bound by), leads of course to that which appears undignified/ retarded.
On the other hand, when Russia is your ally, and a substantial part of your budget goes to Russian military hardware, you would surely -want- to have your missile defence and offense systems hooked in with your ally's systems, as a force multiplier - "mesh networked radars" comes to mind.
<I know, I know, stating the obvious dept.>
Are you? One obvious thing here is that what the russians produce is also backdoored. Another obvious thing is that you can trust the russians as much as you can trust americunts.
On 07/07/2017 09:52 PM, juan wrote:
On a related note, I see that the japanese are 'partners' or forcibibly buy that kind of stuff. I assume that any weapon that americunts sell is fully backdoored so I kinda wonder what kind of retard can buy stuff from them...Well, the japanese and many other seem to be just that kind of retard.
<I know, I know, stating the obvious dept.>
Are you? One obvious thing here is that what the russians produce is also backdoored. Another obvious thing is that you can trust the russians as much as you can trust americunts.
I would not be so sure. In the case of weapons earmarked for U.S. use, I would bet heavily that there are no (deliberately installed) back doors in their C&C systems: Our military leaders may be passionately ignorant and profoundly neurotic, that they are not actually stupid. Lockout functions that take significant time and effort to defeat (when enabled) I take for granted, even though for decades the unlock code for all U.S. nuclear warhead firing circuits was a string of zeros. In the case of weapons eligible for export, I would only be a /little/ less confident that back doors are not included: One wants one's allies' weapons to work as advertised, and the blowback from discovered back doors would be very costly. As is done with proprietary trade secret operating systems etc., these back doors would be called "bugs" or "design flaws" when discovered, and this hard to disprove canard would be widely accepted as fact. But when (not if) back doors weapons systems are discovered, that would be Bad For Business: Quality really counts when defending the interests of one's own billionaires from the servants of hostile overseas billionaires. The consequences of back doors discovered /and/ exploited could include personal reprisals against parties considered responsible and major realignments of global power dynamics.
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 22:39:51 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
On 07/07/2017 09:52 PM, juan wrote:
On a related note, I see that the japanese are 'partners' or forcibibly buy that kind of stuff. I assume that any weapon that americunts sell is fully backdoored so I kinda wonder what kind of retard can buy stuff from them...Well, the japanese and many other seem to be just that kind of retard.
<I know, I know, stating the obvious dept.>
Are you? One obvious thing here is that what the russians produce is also backdoored. Another obvious thing is that you can trust the russians as much as you can trust americunts.
I would not be so sure. In the case of weapons earmarked for U.S. use, I would bet heavily that there are no (deliberately installed) back doors in their C&C systems: Our military leaders may be passionately ignorant and profoundly neurotic, that they are not actually stupid.
I don't expect the weapons that the gentlemen at the pentagon use to be backdoored or sabotaged. Why would they sabotage their own systems and shoot their own feet?
Lockout functions that take significant time and effort to defeat (when enabled) I take for granted, even though for decades the unlock code for all U.S. nuclear warhead firing circuits was a string of zeros.
Ha, I didn't know that one. Not sure what to make of it...I guess reality is crazier than fiction, as usual.
In the case of weapons eligible for export, I would only be a /little/ less confident that back doors are not included: One wants one's allies' weapons to work as advertised, and the blowback from discovered back doors would be very costly.
I don't know...For starters I'd suggest the US has no allies. But regardless, it seems semsible to only export weapons that can't easily be used against you. So backdooring them is the obvious thing to do. If your 'customers' manage to disabe the backdoors, tough luck. But the thing is, the people who can disable backdoors can probably build the weapons themselves, so they are not likely to buy from you. On the other hand people who have to buy a complex system most likely can't audit it.
As is done with proprietary trade secret operating systems etc., these back doors would be called "bugs" or "design flaws" when discovered,
"Bugs" are the perfect, 'plausibly deniable' way to fuck users.
and this hard to disprove canard would be widely accepted as fact. But when (not if) back doors weapons systems are discovered, that would be Bad For Business: Quality really counts when defending the interests of one's own billionaires from the servants of hostile overseas billionaires.
Maybe, so the pentagon will sell, say, sabotaged radars to the 'good' dictators so that they can bomb the 'bad' dictators, who bought stuff that's less capable than what the 'good' dictators have.
The consequences of back doors discovered /and/ exploited could include personal reprisals against parties considered responsible and major realignments of global power dynamics.
I don't know...I guess that could happen. But for the time being it looks as if the US can get away with virtually anything.
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