Whatever you think of my motives, what's done is done and all that's left is to discuss the data and the slide. If ya'll wanna keep talking about me instead, I'm flattered that you think I'm so interesting but someone should probably setup a separate list for that. It's drowning out any chance for real discussion in the list, not just about the GCHQ slide but about anything else. Put those big beautiful brains of yours to work on the slide and other cypherpunk issues - but *I* am not one of them, AFAIK. I have a few more people I want to hear from on the slide issue, but I welcome actual constructive criticism, comments or technical input, whether for or against. Stay away from sentiments like "we can't figure that out!" You're better than that, I think, and when you reach your limits you know which experts to ping. Let's get away from witch hunts and troll bait. --Mike, who is not a troll but actually Shrek's less funny cousin