Re: [Cryptography] Size of the PGP userbase?
Phillip H-B, et al have been saying... [email encryption, etc] What is the gap we have to close to turn this on by default?
How many times has this been rehashed the last six months? You can't fix email as we know it today using todays bolt-ons, protocols and corporate stakeholders/services trying to profit from it. The only way to have any real global seamless success is to go ground up with a completely new model. IMO, that will be some form of p2p message system where every address is a crypto key, masked for grandma by her contact list, decrypted out your p2p daemon and piped into your local mail processing (MUA/filter/lists) and filesystem (encryption). At least that way your local mail tools will still work (no one will give those up anyway). The problem is the antique centralized backend, it needs bypassed. You've got neat stuff like Tor, bittorrent, bitcoin, etc already... so boost email into the 2020's the same way. Then let the old world email services try to keep up, and slowly die like everything else.
On 2013-12-15 21:09, grarpamp wrote:
Phillip H-B, et al have been saying... [email encryption, etc] What is the gap we have to close to turn this on by default?
How many times has this been rehashed the last six months? You can't fix email as we know it today using todays bolt-ons, protocols and corporate stakeholders/services trying to profit from it. The only way to have any real global seamless success is to go ground up with a completely new model. IMO, that will be some form of p2p message system where every address is a crypto key, masked for grandma by her contact list, decrypted out your p2p daemon and piped into your local mail processing (MUA/filter/lists) and filesystem (encryption). At least that way your local mail tools will still work (no one will give those up anyway).
So if you are communicating with one of these new fangled email addresses, you have to have the software that encrypts, and your message is secure - because you are not using the old email protocol, though there may something on your computer that pretends to use old email protocol for the benefit of your client.
So if you are communicating with one of these new fangled email addresses, you have to have the software that encrypts, and your message is secure - because you are not using the old email protocol, though there may something on your computer that pretends to use old email protocol for the benefit of your client.
I read most of your posts here. But is this a question? A statement? Please break into parts and rephrase.
On 2013-12-16 17:42, grarpamp wrote:
So if you are communicating with one of these new fangled email addresses, you have to have the software that encrypts, and your message is secure - because you are not using the old email protocol, though there may something on your computer that pretends to use old email protocol for the benefit of your client.
I read most of your posts here. But is this a question? A statement? Please break into parts and rephrase.
It is my understanding of the proposed replacement for email. Magic email addresses that in fact correspond to an identifier of a public key, for example the hash of a rule that identifies the public key, and which result in your message not in fact being passed along by email protocols.
grarpamp:
some form of p2p message system where every address is a crypto key, masked for grandma by her contact list
You may have a look of "I2P Bote" it is severless, encrypted mail system, address is the public key, P2P based... nice tool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2P#E-mail It is part of the Invisible Internet Project (I2P), a P2P darknet. The I2P router is router and client in one Java application. You have to install he I2P router first: http://www.i2p2.de Afterwards you can add the "I2P Bote plugin", the serverless mail system. SMTP- and POP3 support was on the ToDo list some times ago, I didn't have a look on the latest version of the project. Installation is not very easy, but possible. Best regards cane
You may have a look of "I2P Bote" it is severless, encrypted mail system, address is the public key, P2P based... nice tool.
As in another post of mine, I'll be looking at that again. My first take was that it stores the messages in the DHT, which didn't seem scalable or reliable at all. I may be wrong as I read more later.
Afterwards you can add the "I2P Bote plugin", the serverless mail system. SMTP- and POP3 support was on the ToDo list some times ago, I
I think that's working now. And is the general idea, create a strong overlay network with a frontend MUA's can speak to. As an aside: If you can make that overlay net present an IPv6 tunnel interface on the local host, that lets you use any IPv6 enabled app over it. I'm doubting the world needs a dozen application specific overlay networks. More like just a few classes of network. - message based store and forward - low latency IPv6 transport - data storage and retrieval
grarpamp:
As in another post of mine, I'll be looking at that again.
I see, sorry - I am new on the list.
My first take was that it stores the messages in the DHT,
Yes, it uses a DHT. Messages are stored with 20x redundancy. cane
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