Hello from Brazil, Shiny Happy TTC People! :D May someone give a really good technical answer to my friends, please? <3 I will need to share the answer about the use of JavaScript with two other discussion lists, where I also received a "not-so-good" feedback in private. Sorry but I am using an euphemism, uh! :P Thank you all in advance! Kisses, hugs, and much love! <3 Ceci On Jan 28, 2018 21:12, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:53:24 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:

# https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox <https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox>

"Sorry! The Data Detox Kit requires javascript and supports newer versions of Chrome, Safari, and Firefox. Please enable javascript in your browser and refresh this page. " lawl - so data detox - whatever that means - requires you to run javashit malware - priceless =)

# https://datadetox.myshadow.org/about

Wish you all a lovely week, la la la! <3

c. ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison

-------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Date: 1/28/18 6:32 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:38:33 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello from Brazil, Shiny Happy TTC People!  :D

May someone give a really good technical answer to my friends, please?  <3

I will need to share the answer about the use of JavaScript with two other discussion lists, where I also received a "not-so-good" feedback in private.  Sorry but I am using an euphemism, uh!  :P

If you don't enable javascript that site won't show you any content at all. They could have put a static page explaining what the site is about but apparently they were too lazy to do that. And, javascript is the number one tool used to track and fingerprint browsers so a site about privacy (I'm assuming that's what the site is about) that refuses to do anything unless javascript is enabled....looks like a joke.

Thank you all in advance!  Kisses, hugs, and much love!  <3

Ceci

On Jan 28, 2018 21:12, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:53:24 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:

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#  https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox <https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox>

         "Sorry!

The Data Detox Kit requires javascript and supports newer versions of Chrome, Safari, and Firefox. Please enable javascript in your browser and refresh this page. "

         lawl - so data detox - whatever that means - requires you to          run javashit malware  - priceless =)

...

#  https://datadetox.myshadow.org/about

Wish you all a lovely week, la la la!  <3

c. ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." -  Mae Jemison

Jscript allows for extreme interactivity between your computer and a server, but the code is plaintext. It can be examined for functions. Rr

-------- Original message --------From: John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> Date: 1/29/18 8:27 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org, g2s <g2s@riseup.net>, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Subject: Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla On January 28, 2018 10:31:40 PM EST, g2s <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:

-------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Date: 1/28/18  6:32 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:38:33 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hello from Brazil, Shiny Happy TTC People!  :D

May someone give a really good technical answer to my friends, please?  <3

I will need to share the answer about the use of JavaScript with two other discussion lists, where I also received a "not-so-good" feedback in private.  Sorry but I am using an euphemism, uh!  :P

If you don't enable javascript that site won't show you any content at all. They could have put a static page explaining what the site is about but apparently they were too lazy to do that.

And, javascript is the number one tool used to track and fingerprint browsers so a site about privacy (I'm assuming that's what the site is about) that refuses to do anything unless javascript is enabled....looks like a joke.

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Thank you all in advance!  Kisses, hugs, and much love!  <3

Ceci

On Jan 28, 2018 21:12, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:53:24 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:

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#  https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox <https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox>

         "Sorry!

The Data Detox Kit requires javascript and supports newer versions of Chrome, Safari, and Firefox. Please enable javascript in your browser and refresh this page. "

         lawl - so data detox - whatever that means - requires you to          run javashit malware  - priceless =)

...

#  https://datadetox.myshadow.org/about

Wish you all a lovely week, la la la!  <3

c. ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." -  Mae Jemison

Jscript allows for extreme interactivity between your computer and a server, but the code is plaintext. It can be examined for functions. Rr

JS is usually obfuscated to the point of complete unreadability. Coders do this so you can't "steal" their code, or maybe sometimes to get slight compression (all the variables get renamed to one or two letter names, etc) So, you can still look at it, but it's often only nearly as opaque as byte code :)

Thats where crowdsourced blockers come into the picture. NoScript for instance. You have dozens of folks unobfuscating the scripts. Ofc you have to have some trust in the blocker, and the site's intention for the data gleaned, and if you're really paranoid perhaps find some other hobby than the internet rather than spewing paranoia all over everyone like digital diarrhea. The internet isn't Safe Space... never was. Never will be. Rr

On 01/28/2018 07:38 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

Hello from Brazil, Shiny Happy TTC People!  :D

May someone give a really good technical answer to my friends, please?  <3 

I will need to share the answer about the use of JavaScript with two other discussion lists, where I also received a "not-so-good" feedback in private.  Sorry but I am using an euphemism, uh!  :P

People have superstitious beliefs about most of the things they know exist but don't understand. They know Javascript exists but they do not know how it works, therefore it must be either Good or Evil. In this frame of reference, Evil would be the "most correct" answer, because Javascript does get used for Evil purposes like diverting users' web browsers to hostile sites, inflicting unwanted porn ads on them, and otherwise controlling the user's browser against the user's will. Allowing a web browser to execute Javascript from random sources also crates an attack surface for actual malware, with a variety of bad outcomes for the end user. In more rational terms, Javascript is neither Good nor Evil, it's just software that web browsers download from websites and run automatically. Most often Javascript qualifies as "junk software", eating system resources and annoying website visitors for no reason other than fashion. Javascript that enables browsers to present interactive maps, online games etc. would qualify as Good. The most widely distributed Javascript code in the world is the Google Analytics tracker; this code qualifies as Evil, since most users do NOT want their browsing habits to be under total surveillance, and doubly so because most users have no idea it exists. Calling a website that teaches people how to AVOID most user surveillance and profiling on the networks Evil because it uses Javascript seems a bit silly to me. The site teachers users about Javascript and how to control it, along with lots of other privacy and security information and tools. As a net result, users gain a LOT more control over their privacy and security situation relative to the Internet. Would the Data Detox Kit be a "better" website without Javascript? I think so. Its designers think otherwise. They probably base their position on an assessment that they way /they/ use Javascript makes the site more convenient for most end users, leading to more public uptake of the privacy and security tools and information provided. :o)

On 01/29/2018 09:58 PM, juan wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 16:48:47 -0500 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:

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People have superstitious beliefs about most of the things they know exist but don't understand. They know Javascript exists but they do not know how it works, therefore it must be either Good or Evil. In this frame of reference, Evil would be the "most correct" answer, because Javascript does get used for Evil purposes like diverting users' web browsers to hostile sites, inflicting unwanted porn ads

LMAO - evil porn - spoken like a true christian eh

I said "unwanted," not "evil." The quality of the porn featured in pop-up, pop-under, etc. web spam is fairly awful. Intentionally or not, they seem to be marketing to folks who have never seen a real live naked person or had sex. I'm sure that any of the thousands of hot Russian chicks in my spam filter who want to marry me (or just fuck) would be waaaay more better.

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In more rational terms, Javascript is neither Good nor Evil, it's just software that web browsers download from websites and run automatically.

Of course JS by itself is just one of dozens of very shitty scripting languages yet the way JS is used in the 'web 2.0' is 'evil'.

Ding! My point exactly...

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Most often Javascript qualifies as "junk software", eating system resources and annoying website visitors for no reason other than fashion. Javascript that enables browsers to present interactive maps, online games etc. would qualify as Good.

not really - it would be better if you used well defined clients for that sort of thing.

Maybe so, but that's not where the market went...

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The most widely distributed Javascript code in the world is the Google Analytics tracker; this code qualifies as Evil, since most users do NOT want their browsing habits to be under total surveillance, and doubly so because most users have no idea it exists.

Calling a website that teaches people how to AVOID most user surveillance and profiling on the networks Evil because it uses Javascript seems a bit silly to me.

if you are referring to me, I didn't say that detox site was 'evil', I said and repeat it is a joke.

Hell, even the majority of sites that use javashit extensively display most of their content even when javashit is disabled.

Not referring to you, just the overall tone of folks who really really hate Javascript. I consider JS a nuisance that occasionally does something useful, and use filters to block about 90% of it.

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The site teachers users about Javascript and how to control it, along with lots of other privacy and security information and tools. As a net result, users gain a LOT more control over their privacy and security situation relative to the Internet.

Would the Data Detox Kit be a "better" website without Javascript? I think so. Its designers think otherwise. They probably base their position on an assessment that they way /they/ use Javascript makes the site more convenient for most end users, leading to more public uptake of the privacy and security tools and information provided.

bullshit

The Great Unwashed Publick ain't going to study network security, but I think many can benefit from the kind of information presented at Data Detox. :o)